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I think it is more "We knew what was going on but we didn't think the cat would get out of the bag, however It's okay now, because I am the chief Indian and well versed in convoluted, meandering responses".
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He'll last his full term and will probably get re-elected. Because he was not involved in this.I think it is more "We knew what was going on but we didn't think the cat would get out of the bag, however It's okay now, because I am the chief Indian and well versed in convoluted, meandering responses".
Place your bets now, how long will Coe last?
He has the support of the IAAF members who voted him in, the IOC, WADA and now the WADA commission.
A lot of you need to step out of the British media/twitter bubble. Have a look around other nation's media. No-one is looking for Coe to fall - because that's not a story to them. The UK media lined up hoping Pound would sacrifice him and when he didn't they asking leading question after leading question. He still didn't give them the story so now he's part of the conspiracy. Stop thinking that journalists value truth above a story.
Had Bubka been elected President, the UK media wouldn't have asked those questions
In reality Coe was a Vice-President. Rule of life - anyone with 'vice' in their job title is a non-player who has been sidelined. He was busy with Olympics and most likely spent little time with IAAF.
Pound is a sports politician and he recognises that a politician is needed to clean up the mess. The media want a ideological martyr would will fail gloriously - thus providing a story while not preventing future doping stories.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Bad batch of shrooms big man? I normally agree with you on doping questions but I think every paragraph there is completely wrong.He'll last his full term and will probably get re-elected. Because he was not involved in this b][color=#FF0000]*glances at camera*[/color][/b.
He has the support of the IAAF members who voted him in, the IOC, WADA and now the WADA commission color=#FF0000][b]nonsense - read the report summary[/b][/color.
A lot of you need to step out of the British media/twitter bubble. Have a look around other nation's media. No-one is looking for Coe to fall - because that's not a story to them. The UK media lined up hoping Pound would sacrifice him and when he didn't they asking leading question after leading question. He still didn't give them the story so now he's part of the conspiracy. Stop thinking that journalists value truth above a story.
Had Bubka been elected President, the UK media wouldn't have asked those questions
In reality Coe was a Vice-President. Rule of life - anyone with 'vice' in their job title is a non-player who has been sidelined. He was busy with Olympics and most likely spent little time with IAAF.
Pound is a sports politician and he recognises that a politician is needed to clean up the mess. The media want a ideological martyr would will fail gloriously - thus providing a story while not preventing future doping stories.
I do agree that it’s not Pound’s job to ‘fire’ Coe at a press conference, and he responded like a smart politician to gotcha questions. But there’s no escaping the conclusions in his report that there’s ‘no way’ Coe didn’t know what was going on.
If Coe was a competent politician he wouldn’t have made so many moronic statements denying - covering-up - the corruption (doping and beyond) in his sport. My guess is that he’s too big to fail. If he’s forced out, the entire Olympic sham starts to unravel. It’s about much more than doping (which I don’t really care about, btw)....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
I think Rich has got the long and short of this down. Much as I dislike Coe, I get the feeling that there's a feeding frenzy going on, the sharks have smelt blood and anyone close to the action is at risk of getting bitten.
It's not too far fetched to think that Coe knew little, aside from a few rumours, and played down what he did know for the sake of politics prior to the election. In all likelihood, he didn't want to know and didn't try and find out. If you're not on the take yourself you don't make it big by exposing yourself to the dirt on the people you have to deal with, not while you have any feasible possibility of denying responsibility.
There are two ways to get obscenely rich from sports admin, and one of them is the entirely legal but still repugnant *macca trigger warning* management consultancy. That's far more lucrative and far less risky than old school hand in the till / blackmail corruption. The senior execs at TV companies, building contractors, equipment suppliers and corporate sponsors must be laughing at the small scale petty amateurism of people like Diack. All of them need a seemingly clean go to man when it comes to tenders etc. Thats how Coe butters his parsnips.
Edit:Ps Macca! there's one thing you're right about, and that's that there's something much bigger at stake: it's the enormous financial engine of sports. If I were cynical, I'd say that's the driver for Coe, protecting a business. It's almost coincidental that sport is involved, and unfortunate that sports tend to be run by small time crooks instead of the big businesses that can rip people off entirely legally.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Can we just rename this ""The People Macaloon Doesn't Like Thread"?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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The senior execs at TV companies, building contractors, equipment suppliers and corporate sponsors must be laughing at the small scale petty amateurism of people like Diack. All of them need a seemingly clean go to man when it comes to tenders etc. Thats how Coe butters his parsnips.
Extortion of €100,000s from 2 athletes, described as the tip of the iceberg, and €millions from Russian banks funnelled into Senegalese politics is small-scale? $5M associated with the Tokyo Olympics bid is amateur? It's like Stoner's Assemble this thread....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19779825#p19779825]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Can we just rename this ""The People Macaloon Doesn't Like Thread"?
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I personally think Pound has looked at the alternatives and decided that despite a dreadful start Coe is probably still the only candidate who could possibly do something positive.
It isn't Pound's job to fire Coe in the press conference as mentioned above, but he has clearly stated that Coe has been in denial...it is a challenge and Coe is in last chance saloon now. I suspect that if things don't improve rapidly on facing up to the situation then Pound will not be backwards in coming forward with what he thinks.
It's far too early to say Pound is a zero, plenty more to come on this story over the next few months.0 -
Joelsim wrote:...plenty more to come on this story over the next few months.
Oh goody.
I actually got pretty bored with the whole McQuaid/Verbruggen UCI thing by the end - and that's with a sport I give a toss about; consequently, not sure how riveting I'll find this debacle.
Anyway, I try not confuse my pleasure in standing at the sidelines and shouting "yah, boo, hiss!" at someone like Coe with anonymous posts of personal abuse with doubt that he might actually be good at his job.
Is it not a truism that anyone who stands for election into such a role gets put somewhere on the X and y axes of "Nasty" and "Bellend" by consensus in the end?0 -
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I don't think Pound was saying Coe was the best person for the job, I think he was saying he's the least worst option at present.0
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Rich has made a very valid point about what being a VP actually means - i.e. sweet FA most of the time - attend a couple of meetings, schmooze some sponsors, turn up at the champs events on expenses.
Problem is Coe's ego won't allow him to say this in public, as he made a big deal of being VP as part of his bid for the top job - even tho for most of the time he was VP he was also running LOCOG, which I'd like to think took some work at least.
As for the support of the member nations who voted him in - he may get issues there as no doubt lots of promises were made around funds, support for development etc. - that he may or may not now be able to deliver.
Lots of people still seem to support him - if we're still sat here in 2 or 3 years with nothing seemingly having changed, they'll be a lot of them having hard questions asked of their judgement as well as Coe's. The first big one will be if they bow down to Russia and let their T&F athletes in to Rio.0 -
I don't think Pound was saying Coe was the best person for the job, I think he was saying he's the least worst option at present.
Probably. But even this is ridiculous on its face:
High profile opaque international organisation suffering from 'embedded corruption' and guilty of extorting bribes from members seeks new leadership. The ideal candidate will have in-depth knowledge of the workings of the sport, despite knowing nothing, an active network of international leaders in sports and politics, while knowing nothing, and be a persuasive advocate for the sport's many clean athletes despite having zero credibility. Experience of former staff-chiefs neck deep in corruption a distinct advantage.
About the only sensible thing Coe could do is announce that his emergency tenure will be limited to 6 months while he recruits a talented administrator from outside the sport; a la Mitt Romney (Bain Management Consultant who resurrected Salt Lake Olympics)....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
The senior execs at TV companies, building contractors, equipment suppliers and corporate sponsors must be laughing at the small scale petty amateurism of people like Diack. All of them need a seemingly clean go to man when it comes to tenders etc. Thats how Coe butters his parsnips.
Extortion of €100,000s from 2 athletes, described as the tip of the iceberg, and €millions from Russian banks funnelled into Senegalese politics is small-scale? $5M associated with the Tokyo Olympics bid is amateur? It's like Stoner's Assemble this thread.
Compare it to the billions that grabbing a slice of the Olympic action is worth and it's no more than petty crime.
The multinationals don't give a toss about corruption in sport as long as they have plausible deniability, see the response to FIFA, where they only made public statements long after the cover was blown.
Remember, it's not a kickback if it's paid employment on a consultancy that's a registered business interest. Same goes for politicians.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
I don't think Pound was saying Coe was the best person for the job, I think he was saying he's the least worst option at present.
Probably. But even this is ridiculous on its face:
High profile opaque international organisation suffering from 'embedded corruption' and guilty of extorting bribes from members seeks new leadership. The ideal candidate will have in-depth knowledge of the workings of the sport, despite knowing nothing, an active network of international leaders in sports and politics, while knowing nothing, and be a persuasive advocate for the sport's many clean athletes despite having zero credibility. Experience of former staff-chiefs neck deep in corruption a distinct advantage.
About the only sensible thing Coe could do is announce that his emergency tenure will be limited to 6 months while he recruits a talented administrator from outside the sport; a la Mitt Romney (Bain Management Consultant who resurrected Salt Lake Olympics).
I agree that an external appointment might be best. Slightly surprised to see you advocating one of "those types" though ;-)Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Good article from the always readable Marina Hyde on Coe. Makes the point that we should be able to see fairly quickly whether he can deliver - regardless of what and when he knew.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/15/sebastian-coe-athletics-iaaf-rio-olympics-putinWarning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
I agree that an external appointment might be best. Slightly surprised to see you advocating one of "those types" though ;-)
I'm no zoomer*. In fact, I see I've done his Lordship a disservice by ignoring his forensic work as head of FIFA's Ethics committee. When you need a muppet puppet, call for Coe.
(Amazingly, if the article is correct, Coe was floated as Chairman of the state broadcaster :shock: Ideological questions on the wisdom of the license fee aside, Tories aren't safe around the BBC.)
PMSLLord Coe, organising committee chairman of the London 2012 Olympics, has agreed to head the ethics commission that will judge all cases alleging conflicts of interest and breaches of Fifa rules.
"I am delighted to have been selected to this important role," said Coe. "Inspiring young people into sport is a personal passion of mine. To do this, we must protect and promote the ethics and morals of sport for future generations. My role as chairman of London 2012, as IAAF Council member, as a member of UK Athletics Council and as chair of Fifa 's ethics committee, will involve me in this area at the very highest level of sport."
The announcement was made by president Sepp Blatter at a news conference in Zurich today. "We have found an outstanding personality in the world of sport, a great personality in the Olympic movement.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35319202
Match fixing in tennis. Same kind of cover up/blind eye as the doping.0 -
Amazing. Another Olympic 'sport', corrupt to the core. Predicting the appointment of a well known peer of the realm to lead a clean-up operation by luncheon on Monday.Secret files exposing evidence of widespread suspected match fixing at the top level of world tennis, including at Wimbledon, can be revealed by the BBC and BuzzFeed News.
Over the last decade 16 players who have ranked in the top 50 have been repeatedly flagged to the tennis integrity unit over suspicions they have thrown matches.
All of the players, including winners of Grand Slam titles, were allowed to continue competing.
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The problem of suspicious betting and match fixing is not going away. Eight of the players repeatedly flagged to the TIU over the past decade are due to play in the Australian Open which starts on Monday 18 January.
CSI: Rio. They should cancel this farce and start again. Pro Cycling: the last remaining authentic sport. Who'd have predicted that?
More jaw-dropping details on Buzzfeed.But shortly after the phone calls, Ersainov got in touch with Betfair and threatened “physical harm” to its main account manager in Russia if it didn’t call off the ATP investigators. Immediately, Betfair moved the manager out of the city. Neither Ersainov nor Tsoy could be reached for comment by BuzzFeed News....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Coe's mob stings UK taxpayer for $7.2M claims head of UK Athletics. #BestMan4theJobThe IAAF president, Sebastian Coe, has promised to investigate the claims of bribery in the bidding process but Warner believes that, if the process was fair, the London bid might have saved itself $7.2m.
Warner said: “Very specifically, on the morning of the bid, council members of the IAAF and senior people at the IAAF [ 8) ] were telling us that we were behind, and we were behind because the Qataris had promised to pay the $7.2m prize fund for the athlete prize money which otherwise the IAAF itself would have to pay.”...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35319202
Match fixing in tennis. Same kind of cover up/blind eye as the doping.
The ATP are the next big sporting organisation to end up in the same doping mire as UCI and IAAF.Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35319202
Match fixing in tennis. Same kind of cover up/blind eye as the doping.
The ATP are the next big sporting organisation to end up in the same doping mire as UCI, FIFA and IAAF.
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The ATP are the next big sporting organisation to end up in the same doping mire as UCI, FIFA, FA and IAAF.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35319202
Match fixing in tennis. Same kind of cover up/blind eye as the doping.
The ATP are the next big sporting organisation to end up in the same doping mire as UCI, FIFA and IAAF.
FTFY
FIFA and the FA haven't even bothered trying yet. So I stand by my statement, the UCI led, IAAF are following, ATP will be next. FIFA will be way down the list.Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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Love it how Djokovic admits he was offered a wad of cash to fix a match, but still believes match fixing doesn't happen! Talk about cognitive dissonance.
The world number one, who claims he rejected £110,000 to lose a match early in his career, says there is "no real proof" of fixing among the elite.
"It's just speculation," said the Serb 10-time Grand Slam champion.0 -
Transparency at the Olympic gymnastics."A smart national governing body sends their team with an envelope of cash for this very reason,"...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Love it how Djokovic admits he was offered a wad of cash to fix a match, but still believes match fixing doesn't happen! Talk about cognitive dissonance.
The world number one, who claims he rejected £110,000 to lose a match early in his career, says there is "no real proof" of fixing among the elite.
"It's just speculation," said the Serb 10-time Grand Slam champion.
Curious to know why he only thought it now to let people know.
In fairness, he may very well have let the authorities know.0
