Drugs in other sports and the media.
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As an aside Duncan Mackay now has a nice little income stream promoting the sporting propaganda exercises of despotic regimes, like the 'European Games' in Azerbaijan this year. Many of the same regimes are advised by Coe's businesses.
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19744078#p19744078]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:
While you are in water sports then the mystery of a guy with Gold Medals at 5 Olympic Games over 20 years.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742305#p19742305]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Cycling fans are more than entitled to have a wry smile, given the way other sports have been held up as bastions of purity compared to to that dirty, scag-riddle sport of cycling.
Swimming and FINA need to be next for a proper investigation.
Didn't they do well in their boats.
I was in the USA some years ago and saw an interview on TV with Carl Lewis who at that time admitted he was on PED's when he got beaten by Ben Johnson. His coach had kept him supplied.
Scchush, he is too respected now but some USA Network must still have the Tape.
What's new with Russia when it used to be the Soviet Union and it's statelite countries that commanded the Amatuer Sports. (even rowing)
It all comes around and goes around, time and again.
When you have evidence of GB state-sponsored doping fuelling the success of Steve Redgrave (who I guess is who you're alluding to), deejay, you be sure to let the media know. Doesnt have to be the UK media (in case you think they'd just cover it up) - French and Italian media would be more than happy to run with it.
Because what we're talking about with Russia and China is state-sponsored doping.
Otherwise you're just pulling names out of a multi-medal-winning hat. Which is frigging lazy.
He's on insulin, the cheating barsteward. Probably just pretending he needs it to get his TUE.
And an East German coach. Case closed.0 -
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Redgrave had won two Olympic golds before he even met Grobler
And an East German coach. Case closed.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Redgrave had won two Olympic golds before he even met Grobler
And an East German coach. Case closed.
Yeah, I was just riffing on BigMat's post. I'll add a 'weak joke' tag next time.0 -
Do I have to explain that I was taking the **** too? God help us...0
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Do I have to explain that I was taking the **** too? God help us...
I don't know - I got it (honest)!0 -
Do I have to explain that I was taking the **** too? God help us...
I don't know - I got it (honest)!
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Athletics doping scandal: Russia ruled in breach of Wada code
Russia is one of six countries ruled to be in breach of the World Anti-Doping Agency's codes.
Along with Argentina, Ukraine, Bolivia, Andorra and Israel, it has been deemed "non-compliant" by Wada.
Brazil, Belgium, France, Greece, Mexico and Spain have been placed on a 'watch list' and must meet strict conditions by March 2016 or face similar action.
Meanwhile, Kenya has been ordered to explain its doping controls or join those countries under scrutiny.
Wada said that if Kenya's answers are "unsatisfactory", it could also face sanctions. There are 15 Kenyans currently banned for doping by athletics' governing body the IAAF.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/34860136'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0 -
Qing Wenyi: How sudden death of a teenage girl throws doping suspicion on Chinese swimming
16 November 20150 comments
She was their only child, so maybe Qing Wenyi’s parents felt that the shock of her death at the age of 17, in the early hours of last Monday, was the most they could possibly endure, without beginning to question why she had been taken from them.
But her family are bright, inquiring, metropolitan people – the parents both work in the police service – and those coaches in the Chinese swimming establishment who told Qing they would make her a star have not expressed so much as one word of public regret. That’s why it was so curious when China’s state-controlled media reported, three hours after Qing’s death, that her parents had requested no post-mortem into her death at a Chinese national swimming camp. And why, within 48 hours, she had been cremated.
In a modern sporting environment, any governing body would want to understand whether an aspect of its training regime might have inadvertently caused, perhaps, a coronary problem. But there is an information fog swirling around Qing’s case, and that’s why the suspicion lingers.
There are unsubstantiated claims that her death was the collateral damage of a culture of doping in Chinese swimming, which is just as entrenched as the scandal engulfing Russian athletics.
The only source of detail on Qing is the “swimming management centre” of the National Swimming Association, which is not forthcoming. The small details we can piece together remind us, though, that amid all the polemic about failed governance some of these athletes are simply children.
Qing was the same age as my own daughter and, by every available account, absorbed by just the same things as her. Schoolwork featured. She discussed that with her mother on the night before she died. Social networks featured more. There had been contact with her friends in the last evening of her life. They were interested to know about her meteoric rise to the national swimming squad. She was certainly happy at 10.30pm when she last posted.
She did not live to see morning. One of her dormitory room-mates was awoken by what she has described as a “loud scream” from Qing at 4am, according to the Xinhua news outlet. A team-mate turned the lights on and rushed to the child’s aid but there was no response. A doctor was called, an ambulance summoned, attempts by paramedics to resuscitate followed but Qing was declared dead an hour after arrival at Tiantan Hospital.
Qing was not an official member of the national squad, though she had recently been asked to train with them, subsequently undergoing a medical examination which suggested no problems.
It appears that her performances had not been that outstanding a couple of years ago but then she took part in the first National Youth Games in Fujian province in October – representing the Beijing Shunyi swimming team – and promptly won gold medals in the women’s 100m and 200m breaststroke. Her times were impressive: 1:08 and 2:30. The work with the national squad entailed 1,000m sessions but nothing intense, according to a Chinese source quoted by the Swimming Vortex website.
The past few days, spent seeking links between Qing’s death and the miasma of suspicion surrounding Chinese swimming, have been frustrating. “I don’t think you can dig up any dirty links,” one highly respected local reporter who has been willing to work with me concluded in the last of our exchanges yesterday. “There’s no chance. Even as a local Chinese journalist I can’t locate any hard facts. The parents’ decision may not be so strange. In China people do respect the parents’ wishes.”
But there is a genuine fear that more children’s lives will be put at risk if international authorities do not apply the same forensic methods Dick Pound has demonstrated in his eviscerating analysis of Russia athletics. John Leonard, executive director of the World Swimming Coaches Association, said last week in the aftermath of Pound’s report that his organisation has raised grave concerns with the World Anti-Doping Agency about swimming.
When Leonard raised doubts about Ye Shiwen, who was the same age as Qing when she won the women’s 400m and 200m medley events at the 2012 London Olympics, he received death threats, as well as criticism from Sebastian Coe. But the recent implosion of Ye raises grounds for suspicion. At the World Swimming Championships in Kazan this year, she came last in the 200m medley final, 6.03 seconds slower than she swam at the Olympics. In the 400m medley, she did not even qualify, with a time 14 seconds slower than in London.
The suspicions demand that sport, once and for all, commits to make the Wada, the organisation Pound once led so admirably, financially independent and equipped with the resources to fight doping aggressively, across all sports.
That was undeniably the most significant recommendation in the Russia findings last week. The organisation’s budget is a pathetic $30m (£19.8m) a year, with Russia’s immediate threat to withdraw its funding – a laughable £604,000 – serving to illustrate the farcical ordering of spending priorities.
Nowhere in Coe’s latest expression of self-defence, in yesterday’s Sunday Telegraph, which opened with quotes from Edmund Burke, was there any mention of more resources for Wada. While Coe and others evade and obfuscate, coaches press unsuspecting and uncomplaining children into the pursuit of sporting success, dazzling them into whatever course of action they are asked because they are too young and vulnerable to ask: “Why?”
It was left to Anne Tiivas, head of the NSPCC’s Child Protection in Sport Unit, to cut to the core. “Such a tragic death,” she tweeted of young Qing last week. “When will current attention focus on the well-being of young athletes?”
Get well soon, Gary – I may need your expertise again
There has been many a time when I would ring Gary Carter, the deeply respected rugby league writer, feeling embarrassed to be casually alighting on his territory again, searching for more of his knowledge before moving on. He always wafts away my apologies, ready to impart some insight into the sport he loves.
That is why the story of the senseless and casual brutality he suffered when covering an England v New Zealand international 10 days ago was so shocking. He was beaten so brutally, in Bethnal Green, that he needed immediate surgery at the Royal London Hospital to remove a blood clot on his brain. He remains in a critical condition.
Rugby league’s response to this says everything about the ties that bind that sport so tightly together. We wait and hope and pray for the chance to hear Gary talk rugby league again, with all the usual passion.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/qing-wenyi-how-sudden-death-of-a-teenage-girl-throws-doping-suspicion-on-chinese-swimming-ian-a6735461.html'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0 -
Ha! France! Brilliant. Their high horse has unseated its jockey.
Along with Argentina, Ukraine, Bolivia, Andorra and Israel, it has been deemed "non-compliant" by Wada.
Brazil, Belgium, France, Greece, Mexico and Spain have been placed on a 'watch list' and must meet strict conditions by March 2016 or face similar action.
Maybe Andorra will use their non-complicance status as a selling point when they're trying to sell condos to cyclists on the Tour rest day.Twitter: @RichN950 -
rather than a very public list with very few details, i'd rather know why these countries aren't compliant or are on a watch list.
Again it shows the current system of national doping control agencies doesn't work. Until that model is changed we wont get any real world changes. testing should be independant0 -
This is a general news story for a global audience, those who want more details are expected to use their initiative and research further via the relevant resources. Some of these responses are kinda simplistic guys.'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0
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This is a general news story for a global audience, those who want more details are expected to use their initiative and research further via the relevant resources. Some of these responses are kinda simplistic guys.
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Just for a change... curling is having a bit of an issue with 'technical doping'. How fancy can your broom be?
Have they been sweeping it under the carpet?0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19746287#p19746287]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Just for a change... curling is having a bit of an issue with 'technical doping'. How fancy can your broom be?
Have they been sweeping it under the carpet?
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I do wish people would not use the word 'doping' to describe perfectly legitimate advancements and innovations. Doping implies dishonesty and cheating which is not the case here.Just for a change... curling is having a bit of an issue with 'technical doping'. How fancy can your broom be?
(Nothing personal, Mr Dash, I see it used like this in lots of places).Twitter: @RichN950 -
I do wish people would not use the word 'doping' to describe perfectly legitimate advancements and innovations. Doping implies dishonesty and cheating which is not the case here.Just for a change... curling is having a bit of an issue with 'technical doping'. How fancy can your broom be?
(Nothing personal, Mr Dash, I see it used like this in lots of places).
I've no beef... it's a Friday... depends whether you take a strict definition on doping or not. FWIW wikipedia has a whole page on the concept of technological doping, although it is citation lite.0 -
I do wish people would not use the word 'doping' to describe perfectly legitimate advancements and innovations. Doping implies dishonesty and cheating which is not the case here.Just for a change... curling is having a bit of an issue with 'technical doping'. How fancy can your broom be?
(Nothing personal, Mr Dash, I see it used like this in lots of places).
I've no beef... it's a Friday... depends whether you take a strict definition on doping or not. FWIW wikipedia has a whole page on the concept of technological doping, although it is citation lite.
Rich is sensitive on this subject because as someone who works in patents he is ostensibly the Dr Ferrari of techhnological doping
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I think my job may be why I don't consider being in the vanguard of innovation as somehow wrong, though. Luddites would have me down the job centre.Rich is sensitive on this subject because as someone who works in patents he is ostensibly the Dr Ferrari of techhnological doping
(and it's also why I am a great believer in the concept of 'marginal gains' - because that's what I've been looking at for the last 20 years)Twitter: @RichN950 -
interesting comments from Tyson Fury
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/34906044
Although he sounds like an escapee from the asylum by stating he can tell just by looking at someone.
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interesting comments from Tyson Fury
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/34906044
Although he sounds like an escapee from the asylum by stating he can tell just by looking at someone.
Not sure if anything he says really helps things though.
The only thing his comments do are bring attention to the potential problem, but the fully fair comment backs up his lack of knowledge.
"I think being in a democratic world means we have to be open to different things," said Fury. "Why don't they make drugs totally legal in sports and then it would be fully fair?Trainer Road Blog: https://hitthesweetspot.home.blog/
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I don't think it would be fair that the likes of Jens Voigt could have been riding professionally into their late 50's There would be no room for amateurs to join the pro ranks.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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II have always thought that, in sports, it is not about a player stepping aside because he was older and should step down to make room for new guys. NO, it's about new guys being good enough to TAKE that older players place.I don't think it would be fair that the likes of Jens Voigt could have been riding professionally into their late 50's There would be no room for amateurs to join the pro ranks.0 -
II have always thought that, in sports, it is not about a player stepping aside because he was older and should step down to make room for new guys. NO, it's about new guys being good enough to TAKE that older players place.I don't think it would be fair that the likes of Jens Voigt could have been riding professionally into their late 50's There would be no room for amateurs to join the pro ranks.
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II have always thought that, in sports, it is not about a player stepping aside because he was older and should step down to make room for new guys. NO, it's about new guys being good enough to TAKE that older players place.I don't think it would be fair that the likes of Jens Voigt could have been riding professionally into their late 50's There would be no room for amateurs to join the pro ranks.
Is the correct answer.
You missed my point entirely. The point I was trying to make was that perhaps there would be a massive, un-bridge able gulf between amateur and professional if drugs were made legal.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
II have always thought that, in sports, it is not about a player stepping aside because he was older and should step down to make room for new guys. NO, it's about new guys being good enough to TAKE that older players place.I don't think it would be fair that the likes of Jens Voigt could have been riding professionally into their late 50's There would be no room for amateurs to join the pro ranks.
Is the correct answer.
You missed my point entirely. The point I was trying to make was that there would be a massive gulf between amateur and professional if drugs were made legal.
No I didn't. And Dennis's answer was correct.
There was always a massive gulf between amateur and professional sports because, oh yes, drugs were rife - and yet it didn't actually stop anyone breaking through, if they were good enough to be recognised and then subsequently willing to dope.
I don't agree with Tyson Fury's point at all, but you're wrong to suggest that it would be an issue with all the old dudes hanging around, because the reality is that it wouldn't happen because younger dopers would take their place, as they always have done.Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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II have always thought that, in sports, it is not about a player stepping aside because he was older and should step down to make room for new guys. NO, it's about new guys being good enough to TAKE that older players place.I don't think it would be fair that the likes of Jens Voigt could have been riding professionally into their late 50's There would be no room for amateurs to join the pro ranks.
Is the correct answer.
You missed my point entirely. The point I was trying to make was that there would be a massive gulf between amateur and professional if drugs were made legal.
No I didn't. And Dennis's answer was correct.
There was always a massive gulf between amateur and professional sports because, oh yes, drugs were rife - and yet it didn't actually stop anyone breaking through, if they were good enough to be recognised and then subsequently willing to dope.
I don't agree with Tyson Fury's point at all, but you're wrong to suggest that it would be an issue with all the old dudes hanging around, because the reality is that it wouldn't happen because younger dopers would take their place, as they always have done.
Lighten up, the Saints aren't playing that badly
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I never thought I'd hear myself say that Stoke are the best football team to visit St Mary's this year.
Although Ryan Shawcross and Jon Walters still did their best to impress the visiting Eddie Jones Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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