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Neil Foulds come's to mind. He had a long fight with professional snooker's governing body regarding the use of Beta Blockers.
Bill Werbeniuk is the guy, used to drink a pint of lager between each frame of snooker to control a hand tremor, and then ended up on beta blockers, as a result of the drinking, which then ended up on the performance enhancing drug list and he was banned.
"At one stage, the inland revenue allowed his spending on lager as a tax deductible expense." Quite a character:
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2003/jan/24/guardianobituaries.snookerseanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742228#p19742228]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:The IAAF provisional ban Russia from all competition, including the Olympic games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34811896
Ban to be lifted, next Spring?
Cycling fans are probably entitled to a healthy dose of schadenfreude but that's infinitely more than Pat and Hein's UCI would ever have done so I think we need to be a tad careful here...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742228#p19742228]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:The IAAF provisional ban Russia from all competition, including the Olympic games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34811896
Ban to be lifted, next Spring?
Cycling fans are probably entitled to a healthy dose of schadenfreude but that's infinitely more than Pat and Hein's UCI would ever have done so I think we need to be a tad careful here...
And this goes way beyond what road trade teams were doing either partially or en masse. State involvement including using secret police goons to intimidate, setting up a duplicate lab to test samples before they were allowed to be sent on, samples to be opened before leaving Russian soil by order of the state's president...
Rather more serious state-level corruption than cyclists charging up and dropping syringes in Coke cans0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742251#p19742251]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742228#p19742228]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:The IAAF provisional ban Russia from all competition, including the Olympic games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34811896
Ban to be lifted, next Spring?
Cycling fans are probably entitled to a healthy dose of schadenfreude but that's infinitely more than Pat and Hein's UCI would ever have done so I think we need to be a tad careful here...
And this goes way beyond what road trade teams were doing either partially or en masse. State involvement including using secret police goons to intimidate, setting up a duplicate lab to test samples before they were allowed to be sent on, samples to be opened before leaving Russian soil by order of the state's president...
Rather more serious state-level corruption than cyclists charging up and dropping syringes in Coke cans
That's one of the main points of this thread isn't it?
Cycling's a sporting backwater, relatively speaking.0 -
For all his faults, McQuaid left cycling in a much better state than he found it. It may well have been due to other factors, but I suspect history will judge him more favourably than the present does.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742228#p19742228]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:The IAAF provisional ban Russia from all competition, including the Olympic games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34811896
Ban to be lifted, next Spring?
Cycling fans are probably entitled to a healthy dose of schadenfreude but that's infinitely more than Pat and Hein's UCI would ever have done so I think we need to be a tad careful here...
(And let's not forget that the catalyst for his downfall was his ultimately failed attempt to deny the Russian World Tour team a licence)Twitter: @RichN950 -
If we're talking beta blockers and snooker, then the tragic tale of Bill Werbeniuk has to come up.
Werbeniuk drank six-eight pints before every match, and a pint for every frame - to stop an arm tremor. He had to take beta-blockers to counteract the effect of the alcohol on his heart, and had to retire when the beta blockers were banned.
He drank between 30 and 50 pints a day and died aged 56.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:If we're talking beta blockers and snooker, then the tragic tale of Bill Werbeniuk has to come up.
Werbeniuk drank six-eight pints before every match, and a pint for every frame - to stop an arm tremor. He had to take beta-blockers to counteract the effect of the alcohol on his heart, and had to retire when the beta blockers were banned.
He drank between 30 and 50 pints a day and died aged 56.
Erm... keep up mate. You can even click on the link
Neil Foulds come's to mind. He had a long fight with professional snooker's governing body regarding the use of Beta Blockers.
Bill Werbeniuk is the guy, used to drink a pint of lager between each frame of snooker to control a hand tremor, and then ended up on beta blockers, as a result of the drinking, which then ended up on the performance enhancing drug list and he was banned.
"At one stage, the inland revenue allowed his spending on lager as a tax deductible expense." Quite a character:
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2003/jan/24/guardianobituaries.snookerseanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742251#p19742251]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742228#p19742228]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:The IAAF provisional ban Russia from all competition, including the Olympic games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34811896
Ban to be lifted, next Spring?
Cycling fans are probably entitled to a healthy dose of schadenfreude but that's infinitely more than Pat and Hein's UCI would ever have done so I think we need to be a tad careful here...
And this goes way beyond what road trade teams were doing either partially or en masse. State involvement including using secret police goons to intimidate, setting up a duplicate lab to test samples before they were allowed to be sent on, samples to be opened before leaving Russian soil by order of the state's president...
Rather more serious state-level corruption than cyclists charging up and dropping syringes in Coke cans
Well, I ll see yout state imvolvment and raise you to, UCI dissappearing positive tests for a Sysmex machine and see your police goons to allowing ex team mates to test positive when they left and became the golden boy's competitors...
duplicate labs just require a centrifuge and a ruler to measure heamatocrit...
I think we need to be a tadette careful before we start dancing on that particular grave...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742228#p19742228]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:The IAAF provisional ban Russia from all competition, including the Olympic games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34811896
Ban to be lifted, next Spring?
Cycling fans are probably entitled to a healthy dose of schadenfreude but that's infinitely more than Pat and Hein's UCI would ever have done so I think we need to be a tad careful here...
In terms of unprecedentedness, how unprecedented is this?
I know that this is big news because my girlfriend knew about it - I recently had to explain the VW emissions scandal because apparently she does not look at actual news websites.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742251#p19742251]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742228#p19742228]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:The IAAF provisional ban Russia from all competition, including the Olympic games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34811896
Ban to be lifted, next Spring?
Cycling fans are probably entitled to a healthy dose of schadenfreude but that's infinitely more than Pat and Hein's UCI would ever have done so I think we need to be a tad careful here...
And this goes way beyond what road trade teams were doing either partially or en masse. State involvement including using secret police goons to intimidate, setting up a duplicate lab to test samples before they were allowed to be sent on, samples to be opened before leaving Russian soil by order of the state's president...
Rather more serious state-level corruption than cyclists charging up and dropping syringes in Coke cans
Well, I ll see yout state imvolvment and raise you to, UCI dissappearing positive tests for a Sysmex machine and see your police goons to allowing ex team mates to test positive when they left and became the golden boy's competitors...
duplicate labs just require a centrifuge and a ruler to measure heamatocrit...
I think we need to be a tadette careful before we start dancing on that particular grave...
I am not dancing on any grave. But this scale is state-sponsored and covered a number of sports - and that really does need to be explored further by WADA and all the relevant governing bodies cos it sure was more than just athletics. Cycling is the smallest of small beer by comparison. If you think that Lance buying a machine for the UCI is up there with the level and extent of bribes and blackmail so far uncovered as perpetuated by the ex-president, his son, the ex-head of IAAF anti-doping, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all, look again.
Here's the thing: WADA compiled a 300+ page dossier covering the Russian corruption. The second report - to be delivered before year-end - covers the IAAF corruption. Interpol are working on the investigations.
You seen any hard evidence uncovered so far of millions in Hein's account, or stacks of the folding stuff discovered in a search of Pat's home? No.
for all our lovingly nurtured dislike of Verbruggen and McQuad, they were small time. The abuses of power revealed first by Seppelt & the whistleblowers, secondly by the WADA IC, show up Hein & Pat as little more than bumbling monitors of a minority sport in comparison. In fact, I will say in Pat's case he TRIED to do the right thing. I've seen no proof of real corruption on his part in particular - he was more bumbling than evil.
Cycling fans are more than entitled to have a wry smile, given the way other sports have been held up as bastions of purity compared to to that dirty, scag-riddle sport of cycling.
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No tA Doctor wrote:If we're talking beta blockers and snooker, then the tragic tale of Bill Werbeniuk has to come up.
Werbeniuk drank six-eight pints before every match, and a pint for every frame - to stop an arm tremor. He had to take beta-blockers to counteract the effect of the alcohol on his heart, and had to retire when the beta blockers were banned.
He drank between 30 and 50 pints a day and died aged 56.
Erm... keep up mate. You can even click on the linkNeil Foulds come's to mind. He had a long fight with professional snooker's governing body regarding the use of Beta Blockers.
Bill Werbeniuk is the guy, used to drink a pint of lager between each frame of snooker to control a hand tremor, and then ended up on beta blockers, as a result of the drinking, which then ended up on the performance enhancing drug list and he was banned.
"At one stage, the inland revenue allowed his spending on lager as a tax deductible expense." Quite a character:
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2003/jan/24/guardianobituaries.snooker
Sorry, my speed setting was stuck on Cliff Thorburn yesterday.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
very bad day for sport in general this, although with events in Paris you realise how little all of this matters.
Feel sorry for the clean athletes in Russia who cant compete now.0 -
Given this is about state sponsored and "protected" doping, so not limited to athletics, it will be interesting if any other sports have the bottle to follow the IAAF's lead.
What of the IOC?"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742228#p19742228]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:The IAAF provisional ban Russia from all competition, including the Olympic games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34811896
Ban to be lifted, next Spring?
That gives them 4 months to get 'fuelled' up before the ban is lifted.
Apart from the still in force out of competition testing (which they aren't allowed to do themselves).
UNLESS they create a new untainted squad which I'm sure one of their officials floated the other day. They might not count as 'international level' and get under the radar, especially if they can't compete overseas. Although I see in their blurb the IAAF reserve the right to OOC test ANY athlete even if not in the registered pool.0 -
I'm still amazed that Coe hasn't been forced to resign. Apparently, some people don't care about their reputations and are too big to fail. I think this is a problem for the credibility of all British Olympic sports. It's often said that there's no way senior British Cycling execs would risk trashing the pristine reputation of their Olympic program...Consider for a moment the nature of the vast personal wealth Coe accrued from his involvement with the otherwise legacy-free London Olympics. Hilariously, in 2007 Coe even threatened to sue a TV documentary over suggestions he stood to profit personally from London 2012. And yet when Sebastian Coe Ltd, AKA the Complete Leisure Group, was sold to Chime, a sports PR agency that had made millions from contracts related to the Olympic Games, Chime noted that he was “one of the most high-profile figures in world sport” and said his involvement would help it become one of “the top three sports and entertainments businesses in the world”. Coe made millions on the deal and became a chairman of the company. Which is, of course, all fine. Or at least, to be expected...
Perhaps it would be a good exercise to explain to a member of the Russian or Brazilian sporting political class that extreme personal enrichment from involvement in a taxpayer-funded sporting event is fine and different because we’re British.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/nov/13/sebastian-coe-british-challenge-russia-doping...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:If...banned.
He...56.
Erm... keep up mate. You can even click on the linkNeil...Blockers.
Bill...banned.
"At...character:
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2003/jan/24/guardianobituaries.snooker
Sorry, my speed setting was stuck on Cliff Thorburn yesterday.
Nice one ^. I guess Cliff Thorburn and cycling had a common term: 'Grinding it out'.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Nice one ^. I guess Cliff Thorburn and cycling had a common term: 'Grinding it out'.
Heh. I remember Thorburn grinding it out against Reardon. It was like watching a track cycling stand-off.
Around the same time Higgins met White, and they ran through a match at 6 minutes per frame.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Nice one ^. I guess Cliff Thorburn and cycling had a common term: 'Grinding it out'.
Heh. I remember Thorburn grinding it out against Reardon. It was like watching a track cycling stand-off.
Around the same time Higgins met White, and they ran through a match at 6 minutes per frame.
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Still good
The shot from Yellow to Brown coined the phrase "Cliffy style" which was shouted out after a good shot up and down the country for a decade. Bit like "Muller it" with footy players.
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Reluctantly turning the topic away from the waistcoated ones, I see that everything's under control over in Africa
http://www.aipsmedia.com/index.php?page=news&cod=17692&tp=n#.VkmT5_lXcuc0 -
Is there much testing in basketball? Any sniffs of corruption? There must be - especially with all the money sloshing about in the sport - particularly in the States.
That their international federation is called FIBA is a gift.0 -
Is there much testing in basketball? Any sniffs of corruption? There must be - especially with all the money sloshing about in the sport - particularly in the States.
That their international federation is called FIBA is a gift.
we-ll...http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10539083/travis-tygart-usada-head-questions-nba-drug-testing-program
Gotta love it when a guy at the top of a sport claims PEDs are '... not part of the culture of the NBA'0 -
Cheating in basketball?
I'll never, ever get over the Spanish paralymic basketball team
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMNBXU1rP9MWarning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
While you are in water sports then the mystery of a guy with Gold Medals at 5 Olympic Games over 20 years.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742305#p19742305]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Cycling fans are more than entitled to have a wry smile, given the way other sports have been held up as bastions of purity compared to to that dirty, scag-riddle sport of cycling.
Swimming and FINA need to be next for a proper investigation.
Didn't they do well in their boats.
I was in the USA some years ago and saw an interview on TV with Carl Lewis who at that time admitted he was on PED's when he got beaten by Ben Johnson. His coach had kept him supplied.
Scchush, he is too respected now but some USA Network must still have the Tape.
What's new with Russia when it used to be the Soviet Union and it's statelite countries that commanded the Amatuer Sports. (even rowing)
It all comes around and goes around, time and again.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Don't want to be too patriotic but he's the best match racer in the world as evidenced by his amazing Americas cup win last time around. I can concede it's a highly physical sport at that level but surely were in the domain of snooker and darts suspicion here?0
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seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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Another two bans have been in lower league Welsh Rugby Union (Championship level, effectively the 3rd tier and semi-pro / amateur level).0
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While you are in water sports then the mystery of a guy with Gold Medals at 5 Olympic Games over 20 years.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742305#p19742305]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Cycling fans are more than entitled to have a wry smile, given the way other sports have been held up as bastions of purity compared to to that dirty, scag-riddle sport of cycling.
Swimming and FINA need to be next for a proper investigation.
Didn't they do well in their boats.
I was in the USA some years ago and saw an interview on TV with Carl Lewis who at that time admitted he was on PED's when he got beaten by Ben Johnson. His coach had kept him supplied.
Scchush, he is too respected now but some USA Network must still have the Tape.
What's new with Russia when it used to be the Soviet Union and it's statelite countries that commanded the Amatuer Sports. (even rowing)
It all comes around and goes around, time and again.
When you have evidence of GB state-sponsored doping fuelling the success of Steve Redgrave (who I guess is who you're alluding to), deejay, you be sure to let the media know. Doesnt have to be the UK media (in case you think they'd just cover it up) - French and Italian media would be more than happy to run with it.
Because what we're talking about with Russia and China is state-sponsored doping.
Otherwise you're just pulling names out of a multi-medal-winning hat. Which is frigging lazy.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19744078#p19744078]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:
While you are in water sports then the mystery of a guy with Gold Medals at 5 Olympic Games over 20 years.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742305#p19742305]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Cycling fans are more than entitled to have a wry smile, given the way other sports have been held up as bastions of purity compared to to that dirty, scag-riddle sport of cycling.
Swimming and FINA need to be next for a proper investigation.
Didn't they do well in their boats.
I was in the USA some years ago and saw an interview on TV with Carl Lewis who at that time admitted he was on PED's when he got beaten by Ben Johnson. His coach had kept him supplied.
Scchush, he is too respected now but some USA Network must still have the Tape.
What's new with Russia when it used to be the Soviet Union and it's statelite countries that commanded the Amatuer Sports. (even rowing)
It all comes around and goes around, time and again.
When you have evidence of GB state-sponsored doping fuelling the success of Steve Redgrave (who I guess is who you're alluding to), deejay, you be sure to let the media know. Doesnt have to be the UK media (in case you think they'd just cover it up) - French and Italian media would be more than happy to run with it.
Because what we're talking about with Russia and China is state-sponsored doping.
Otherwise you're just pulling names out of a multi-medal-winning hat. Which is frigging lazy.
He's on insulin, the cheating barsteward. Probably just pretending he needs it to get his TUE.0 -
So now it has been established that Russian athletes are all on the juice, how do we explain their under performance? Cynics like me simply believe that the rest are on better juice, but are there other suggestions?0
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As an aside Duncan Mackay now has a nice little income stream promoting the sporting propaganda exercises of despotic regimes, like the 'European Games' in Azerbaijan this year. Many of the same regimes are advised by Coe's businesses.0
