Drugs in other sports and the media.
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19741708#p19741708]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:
Even snooker and lawn bowls. Something to calm the nerves and or boost confidence is a match winner.
Doping doesn't make a car or motorbike go faster. Once they've got to a certain level of fitness extra fitness or strength isn't going to make a blind bit of difference.and F1 and motoGP? both of those has spanish guys at the top the same time they were bossing the Tour, Tennis and football.
(And Valentino Rossi is Italian, not Spanish. Lorenzo and Marquez came later.)
That assumes doping is only to improve fitness - there are stories abound of doping in, for example, shooting.
(though obsv Fuentes et al weren't involved in that sort of stuff).
And finally we get to the real scandal. Professional Darts brazen abuse of pints of mild.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHnBppccI0oTeam My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Without looking I'm guessing Smith & Jones.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19741708#p19741708]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:
Even snooker and lawn bowls. Something to calm the nerves and or boost confidence is a match winner.
Doping doesn't make a car or motorbike go faster. Once they've got to a certain level of fitness extra fitness or strength isn't going to make a blind bit of difference.and F1 and motoGP? both of those has spanish guys at the top the same time they were bossing the Tour, Tennis and football.
(And Valentino Rossi is Italian, not Spanish. Lorenzo and Marquez came later.)
That assumes doping is only to improve fitness - there are stories abound of doping in, for example, shooting.
(though obsv Fuentes et al weren't involved in that sort of stuff).
And finally we get to the real scandal. Professional Darts brazen abuse of pints of mild.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHnBppccI0oPinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19741702#p19741702]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:
Even snooker and lawn bowls. Something to calm the nerves and or boost confidence is a match winner.
Doping doesn't make a car or motorbike go faster. Once they've got to a certain level of fitness extra fitness or strength isn't going to make a blind bit of difference.and F1 and motoGP? both of those has spanish guys at the top the same time they were bossing the Tour, Tennis and football.
(And Valentino Rossi is Italian, not Spanish. Lorenzo and Marquez came later.)
That assumes doping is only to improve fitness - there are stories abound of doping in, for example, shooting.
(though obsv Fuentes et al weren't involved in that sort of stuff).
and slow down heart rate. Which is where beta blockers and the like come in
Neil Foulds come's to mind. He had a long fight with professional snooker's governing body regarding the use of Beta Blockers.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
I would have thought one of the "study drugs" like Adderall would be useful for motorsports? And snooker0
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I think you're stretching now. When has a driver on a radio ever sounded out of breath? They don't really get tired. It would tire out you or I but we haven't been doing it since the age of eight.
Doping doesn't make a car or motorbike go faster. Once they've got to a certain level of fitness extra fitness or strength isn't going to make a blind bit of difference.and F1 and motoGP? both of those has spanish guys at the top the same time they were bossing the Tour, Tennis and football.
(And Valentino Rossi is Italian, not Spanish. Lorenzo and Marquez came later.)
The fitter you are at the end of a race the less likely you are about to make a stupid move that wont come off. Will also keep you more precise and keep the same line and therefore faster times at the end of a race and help on the mental side by not being so tired.
As others have said blockers etc can stop your mind from wandering too
And as for wandering minds? Seriously? Do you think Daydreamers get anywhere near an F1 car.
I realise that you are a big doping fan but it doesn't mean that it is everywhere you look.Twitter: @RichN950 -
I think you're stretching now. When has a driver on a radio ever sounded out of breath? They don't really get tired. It would tire out you or I but we haven't been doing it since the age of eight.
Doping doesn't make a car or motorbike go faster. Once they've got to a certain level of fitness extra fitness or strength isn't going to make a blind bit of difference.and F1 and motoGP? both of those has spanish guys at the top the same time they were bossing the Tour, Tennis and football.
(And Valentino Rossi is Italian, not Spanish. Lorenzo and Marquez came later.)
The fitter you are at the end of a race the less likely you are about to make a stupid move that wont come off. Will also keep you more precise and keep the same line and therefore faster times at the end of a race and help on the mental side by not being so tired.
As others have said blockers etc can stop your mind from wandering too
And as for wandering minds? Seriously? Do you think Daydreamers get anywhere near an F1 car.
I realise that you are a big doping fan but it doesn't mean that it is everywhere you look.
Like I say I still think something like Adderall or some other stimulant would be useful.
But clearly smaller than blood doping!0 -
Motor sports hire the study equivalent of the kid who gets straight A*s without revising not the Adderall kid.I would have thought one of the "study drugs" like Adderall would be useful for motorsports? And snooker
What people are saying is that drugs could help a driver overcome the sort of deficiencies that would in reality stop him progressing past karting. F1 isn't like cycling or athletics with 1000 professionals. There's only twenty of them.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Motor sports hire the study equivalent of the kid who gets straight A*s without revising not the Adderall kid.I would have thought one of the "study drugs" like Adderall would be useful for motorsports? And snooker
What people are saying is that drugs could help a driver overcome the sort of deficiencies that would in reality stop him progressing past karting. F1 isn't like cycling or athletics with 1000 professionals. There's only twenty of them.
You don't need to have ADHD for Adderall and similar to help you - plenty of very intelligent people use it for focus. You hear about F1 drivers having hypnotherapy and things like that so it doesn't seem too great a stretch. Not that I think they're all on the Ritalin, I just can see that it might improve performance. Also I have no idea on their testing arrangements, if they even have any, and I assume drugs like that are very easy to detect.
I didn't just mean F1 - it could be useful in any sport where a lot of focus is required, particularly when loss of focus is associated with massive drops in performance (look at Ronnie O'Sullivan).0 -
Is F1 signed up to wada? And if it isn't then why do we care?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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I just looked on the FIA website and they are signed up to WADA and do in and out of competition testing.
http://en.espn.co.uk/fia/motorsport/story/94597.html
Story from 2012 including a moto GP rider being caught with a banned stimulant in his system - but also highlights that technological cheating in F1 is a much bigger problem (which seems kind of obvious).0 -
Ronnie O'Sullivan knows that if he turns it on, he is the best. After hardly competing one year and then entering the World Champoinship to defend his title, he won. Ronnie suffers from cba and lack of motivation as there are few challenges (if any) out there. His mental health problems compound that.
When Hendry came on the scene, the contemporary sports psychologists put the average full focus of a professional snooker player at a maximum of 7 minutes - roughly the same time Hendry took to make a century. O'Sullivan once did a 147 in less than 5 minutes, percentage wise, that's a lot less than the max focus period required.
Ronnie does not need drugs for focus. He suffers from concentration deficit towards the end of a long match (if the opponent gets that far) just like any other pro snooker player and that is the only time he is vulnerable if he is playing well. This indicates that Ronnie is not using drugs for performance enhancement.
Snooker does not require the same concentration levels of a F1 or Moto GP rider, where the race goes on intensively for 90 minutes say. In snooker, you have the ability to sit down and clear your head periodically. Players are trained to pseudo meditate when not on the table. You can see that when players are looking around and seemingly diverted when sitting down. Often silly 4rse commentators mis-interpret this behaviour (John Virgo) as a nonchalance or 'lacking determination'.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Some people just love doping and want to see it everywhere.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19741818#p19741818]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Is F1 signed up to wada? And if it isn't then why do we care?Twitter: @RichN950 -
Without looking I'm guessing Smith & Jones.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19741708#p19741708]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:
Even snooker and lawn bowls. Something to calm the nerves and or boost confidence is a match winner.
Doping doesn't make a car or motorbike go faster. Once they've got to a certain level of fitness extra fitness or strength isn't going to make a blind bit of difference.and F1 and motoGP? both of those has spanish guys at the top the same time they were bossing the Tour, Tennis and football.
(And Valentino Rossi is Italian, not Spanish. Lorenzo and Marquez came later.)
That assumes doping is only to improve fitness - there are stories abound of doping in, for example, shooting.
(though obsv Fuentes et al weren't involved in that sort of stuff).
And finally we get to the real scandal. Professional Darts brazen abuse of pints of mild.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHnBppccI0o
Sort of. Them two, but the sketch is from NTNON.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Motor sports hire the study equivalent of the kid who gets straight A*s without revising not the Adderall kid.I would have thought one of the "study drugs" like Adderall would be useful for motorsports? And snooker
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Unless you have a sponsor willing to stump up $20M. In which case 2 O levels and a City & Guilds is fine.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
This indicates that Ronnie is not using drugs for performance enhancement.
Didn't say he was - just picked someone who was famously erratic as an example of why it might help.0 -
Some people just love doping and want to see it everywhere.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19741818#p19741818]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Is F1 signed up to wada? And if it isn't then why do we care?
I don't think there is lots of doping in F1. But the idea that someone might have taken some stimulants at some point isn't really a stretch.0 -
don't want this place to sound like the Asylum but looking at when Schumacher came into F1 he was head and shoulders above the fitness level of others. Maybe he was just the first to really take that side seriously and see how it would help. Mansell and others used to finish races looking done in at times.
Maybe it was just natural fitness and dedication that put him above the others in terms of fitness, once he had done that everyone else seemed to rise up the same level as Schumacher.
Im not saying taking drugs means a crap driver will rise up from karting to F1, but that maybe once they get there, the team doctors etc may offer a helping hand.
So far I've only ever seen drivers done for recreational drugs so there must be some testing going on.0 -
Some people just love doping and want to see it everywhere.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19741818#p19741818]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Is F1 signed up to wada? And if it isn't then why do we care?
I don't think there is lots of doping in F1. But the idea that someone might have taken some stimulants at some point isn't really a stretch.
Seriously, we have scandals erupting in football and athletics; the UKAD is pointing the finger at rugby union and we are talking about F1 - where the last 20 seasons have shown the driver had minimal input to the final result.
Of all the sports you go after the sport where the athlete has the lowest input on the result..... :roll:0 -
Some people just love doping and want to see it everywhere.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19741818#p19741818]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Is F1 signed up to wada? And if it isn't then why do we care?
I don't think there is lots of doping in F1. But the idea that someone might have taken some stimulants at some point isn't really a stretch.
Seriously, we have scandals erupting in football and athletics; the UKAD is pointing the finger at rugby union and we are talking about F1 - where the last 20 seasons have shown the driver had minimal input to the final result.
Of all the sports you go after the sport where the athlete has the lowest input on the result..... :roll:
I didn't bring it up... And also I wouldn't count a few posts on a forum as "going after" anything...
Wish I'd never posted anything now :roll:0 -
back to Russia it is interesting to see a lot of the UK media has linked this to the Armstrong scandal. Athletics was due something big being uncovered and shows once again that anti doping shouldn't be linked to the same national federation.
I hope the biggest change to come out of this is to change that practice, but WADA have said they can't do their job without more funding.0 -
Some people just love doping and want to see it everywhere.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19741818#p19741818]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Is F1 signed up to wada? And if it isn't then why do we care?
I don't think there is lots of doping in F1. But the idea that someone might have taken some stimulants at some point isn't really a stretch.
Seriously, we have scandals erupting in football and athletics; the UKAD is pointing the finger at rugby union and we are talking about F1 - where the last 20 seasons have shown the driver had minimal input to the final result.
Of all the sports you go after the sport where the athlete has the lowest input on the result..... :roll:
But you were fine with the tedious car emissions posts?0 -
back to Russia it is interesting to see a lot of the UK media has linked this to the Armstrong scandal. Athletics was due something big being uncovered and shows once again that anti doping shouldn't be linked to the same national federation.
I hope the biggest change to come out of this is to change that practice, but WADA have said they can't do their job without more funding.
Last month the IOC - who to say have a large pot of money is like saying Hitler was a bit angsty - asked WADA to look at taking over responsibility for AD from all governing bodies. WADA set up a group to look into this and what it would take - including £££. Funding would presumably come from the gov bodies' current budgets, plus the IOC would need to cough up some as not nearly enough money is ponied up now to fund detection, investigation and controls0 -
Ronnie O'Sullivan knows that if he turns it on, he is the best. After hardly competing one year and then entering the World Champoinship to defend his title, he won. Ronnie suffers from cba and lack of motivation as there are few challenges (if any) out there. His mental health problems compound that.
When Hendry came on the scene, the contemporary sports psychologists put the average full focus of a professional snooker player at a maximum of 7 minutes - roughly the same time Hendry took to make a century. O'Sullivan once did a 147 in less than 5 minutes, percentage wise, that's a lot less than the max focus period required.
Ronnie does not need drugs for focus. He suffers from concentration deficit towards the end of a long match (if the opponent gets that far) just like any other pro snooker player and that is the only time he is vulnerable if he is playing well. This indicates that Ronnie is not using drugs for performance enhancement.
Snooker does not require the same concentration levels of a F1 or Moto GP rider, where the race goes on intensively for 90 minutes say. In snooker, you have the ability to sit down and clear your head periodically. Players are trained to pseudo meditate when not on the table. You can see that when players are looking around and seemingly diverted when sitting down. Often silly 4rse commentators mis-interpret this behaviour (John Virgo) as a nonchalance or 'lacking determination'.
You must have watched some (a lot of) snooker to make this post - get to the therapist smartish! :shock:0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19741893#p19741893]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:back to Russia it is interesting to see a lot of the UK media has linked this to the Armstrong scandal. Athletics was due something big being uncovered and shows once again that anti doping shouldn't be linked to the same national federation.
I hope the biggest change to come out of this is to change that practice, but WADA have said they can't do their job without more funding.
Last month the IOC - who to say have a large pot of money is like saying Hitler was a bit angsty - asked WADA to look at taking over responsibility for AD from all governing bodies. WADA set up a group to look into this and what it would take - including £££. Funding would presumably come from the gov bodies' current budgets, plus the IOC would need to cough up some as not nearly enough money is ponied up now to fund detection, investigation and controls
That's something i'd really like to see0 -
Ronnie ...determination'.
You must have watched some (a lot of) snooker to make this post - get to the therapist smartish! :shock:
I was one of those that didn't make it.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Neil Foulds come's to mind. He had a long fight with professional snooker's governing body regarding the use of Beta Blockers.
Bill Werbeniuk is the guy, used to drink a pint of lager between each frame of snooker to control a hand tremor, and then ended up on beta blockers, as a result of the drinking, which then ended up on the performance enhancing drug list and he was banned.0 -
The IAAF provisional ban Russia from all competition, including the Olympic games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34811896
Ban to be lifted, next Spring?"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742228#p19742228]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:The IAAF provisional ban Russia from all competition, including the Olympic games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/34811896
Ban to be lifted, next Spring?
That gives them 4 months to get 'fuelled' up before the ban is lifted.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Some people just love doping and want to see it everywhere.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19741818#p19741818]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Is F1 signed up to wada? And if it isn't then why do we care?
I don't think there is lots of doping in F1. But the idea that someone might have taken some stimulants at some point isn't really a stretch.
Seriously, we have scandals erupting in football and athletics; the UKAD is pointing the finger at rugby union and we are talking about F1 - where the last 20 seasons have shown the driver had minimal input to the final result.
Of all the sports you go after the sport where the athlete has the lowest input on the result..... :roll:
if divers have so little input why does Hamilton get paid so much?
as for Moto gp Cal Crutchlow @calcrutchlow Nov 10
18 Grand Prix 2015 in highest level of Motorcycle racing this year & I wasn't tested once ! Not enough testing here…
He clearly thinks there is an advantage to be had0
