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Every now and then we need a brutal public defenstration to keep these oiks in line. It keeps the games relatively clean, unless you're aristo, monarch or clergy. It also saves on wahing-up after a revolution.
I hear you, brother: look at the French - they've been crippled by the cost of wahing since 1799.0 -
Coe needs to sort himself out before he loses all credibility. It's inevitable that it will all come out at some point, and the more he does this sort of thing the more people are going to dig into his past, some of which he may not want broadcasted.
Go, give us the inside track on "dirty" Seb Coe then as you are implying you know something...
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Every now and then we need a brutal public defenstration to keep these oiks in line. It keeps the games relatively clean, unless you're aristo, monarch or clergy. It also saves on wahing-up after a revolution.
I hear you, brother: look at the French - they've been crippled by the cost of washing since 1789.
FTFY.When a true genius appears in this world, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19673318#p19673318]the article don[/url] wrote:Coe needs to sort himself out before he loses all credibility. It's inevitable that it will all come out at some point, and the more he does this sort of thing the more people are going to dig into his past, some of which he may not want broadcasted.
Go, give us the inside track on "dirty" Seb Coe then as you are implying you know something...
(Maybe just how your post is written)
If athletics is as dirty as it appears, then he is going to lose all credibility and respect by taking this political stance. The job of the president of the IAAF comes with a bucketload of responsibility, and alienating (some of) the press is an incredibly stupid thing to do. If he does indeed have something to hide (although the alleged Conconi stuff was before it was banned), then it will bite his arse at some point, not to mention the additional digging that will occur, the vendettas that fighting the press will create.0 -
Every now and then we need a brutal public defenstration to keep these oiks in line. It keeps the games relatively clean, unless you're aristo, monarch or clergy. It also saves on wahing-up after a revolution.
I hear you, brother: look at the French - they've been crippled by the cost of washing since 1789.
FTFY.
You've misspelled 'wahing' and the French Revolution ended in 1799, but thanks for caring...0 -
Every now and then we need a brutal public defenstration to keep these oiks in line. It keeps the games relatively clean, unless you're aristo, monarch or clergy. It also saves on wahing-up after a revolution.
I hear you, brother: look at the French - they've been crippled by the cost of washing since 1789.
FTFY.
You've misspelled 'wahing' and the French Revolution ended in 1799, but thanks for caring...
You're welcome...if I'm not very much mistaken the storming of the Bastille in 89 was a direct result of the rising cost of Le Persil (sans biological).When a true genius appears in this world, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift0 -
Every now and then we need a brutal public defenstration to keep these oiks in line. It keeps the games relatively clean, unless you're aristo, monarch or clergy. It also saves on wahing-up after a revolution.
I hear you, brother: look at the French - they've been crippled by the cost of washing since 1789.
FTFY.
You've misspelled 'wahing' and the French Revolution ended in 1799, but thanks for caring...
You're welcome...if I'm not very much mistaken the storming of the Bastille in 89 was a direct result of the rising cost of Le Persil (sans biological).
Sorry, that's just a myth. Marie Antoinette never said "Let them use cakes of soap".
On a side not, the rubbishness of French pop & rock is directly explained by the expense of wahing. They just had to look on in impoverished envy as Hendrix got his pedal going.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
You can say what you like about the French, no really, whatever you like.0
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[quote="On a side not, the rubbishness of French pop & rock is directly explained by the expense of wahing. They just had to look on in impoverished envy as Hendrix got his pedal going.[/quote]
Daft Punk and Air were not bad, all things considered and let's not forget Jean-Michel Jarre.
DD.0 -
[quote="On a side not, the rubbishness of French pop & rock is directly explained by the expense of wahing. They just had to look on in impoverished envy as Hendrix got his pedal going.
Daft Punk and Air were not bad, all things considered and let's not forget Jean-Michel Jarre.
DD.[/quote]
Or Miss Paradis.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19673318#p19673318]the article don[/url] wrote:Coe needs to sort himself out before he loses all credibility. It's inevitable that it will all come out at some point, and the more he does this sort of thing the more people are going to dig into his past, some of which he may not want broadcasted.
Go, give us the inside track on "dirty" Seb Coe then as you are implying you know something...
(Maybe just how your post is written)
If athletics is as dirty as it appears, then he is going to lose all credibility and respect by taking this political stance. The job of the president of the IAAF comes with a bucketload of responsibility, and alienating (some of) the press is an incredibly stupid thing to do. If he does indeed have something to hide (although the alleged Conconi stuff was before it was banned), then it will bite his ars* at some point, not to mention the additional digging that will occur, the vendettas that fighting the press will create.
Coe's own father admitted they looked at everything that could make him better and if blood doping would do that,(since it wasn't illegal then) they would look at it.
His current attitude is dumb. If the press has truthfully (Big IF) discovered that large numbers of athletes are doping, even if it micro doping, etc. then don't go blithering on about 'declarations of war', welcome and look at the results and see if the current policing works.0 -
Well done to AG2R, rescuing Steve Ovett's son from athletics in anticipation of Coe's candidacy for grand fromage.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/steve-ovetts-son-swaps-running-for-cycling-160712
(Delightful nugget courtesy of inner ring comments, btw)...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
There's probably more than enough in some of Coe's business dealings and self-enrichment, as well as his Lineker-esque womanising (quote from someone who shared an office with him 'He literally can't keep his trousers on' - and I don't think they meant he was changing to go for a run), for the press to go at, before they even get to anything to do with his athletic career.
So very strange to try and have a pop at the Sunday Times - they'll go after the business stuff, The Sun will print all the personal activities.0 -
Just out of interest, for those who think Coe was doping, when do you think he started?
And also out of interest, does anyone think Steve Ovett also dabbled? Ovett was a hero of mine "back in the day" when I was still in short trousers and whilst I'm under no illusions about elite sport, this would be a bitter pill to swallow.
Re Coe's Dad, there's an old saying from those in the know in athletics: "If Ovett had been coached by Coe's Dad he'd have been unbeatable". I'd always assumed this was a reference to Old Man Coe not blindly following the "mileage makes champions" mantra that was the done thing in the 70s, and having a much greater emphasis on speed work, which enabled Coe to overcome Ovett's perceived (marginal) greater natural ability. But maybe it alludes to something else!
I doubt there's too much about Coe's "extra-curricular activities" with the ladies that would cause too much bother these days, given that he's survived being an MP, William Hague's judo partner and the exposure of leading the Olympics bid. There have been a few stories along these lines over the years and I'm sure he got arrested for assault back in the early 80s defending the honour of a female Olympic skier! The more sordid the better as far as elections to international sports governing bodies appears to be the general rule.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19673763#p19673763]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:Just out of interest, for those who think Coe was doping, when do you think he started?
And also out of interest, does anyone think Steve Ovett also dabbled? Ovett was a hero of mine "back in the day" when I was still in short trousers and whilst I'm under no illusions about elite sport, this would be a bitter pill to swallow.
Does it matter? It was 30 years ago."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19673763#p19673763]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:Just out of interest, for those who think Coe was doping, when do you think he started?
And also out of interest, does anyone think Steve Ovett also dabbled? Ovett was a hero of mine "back in the day" when I was still in short trousers and whilst I'm under no illusions about elite sport, this would be a bitter pill to swallow.
Re Coe's Dad, there's an old saying from those in the know in athletics: "If Ovett had been coached by Coe's Dad he'd have been unbeatable". I'd always assumed this was a reference to Old Man Coe not blindly following the "mileage makes champions" mantra that was the done thing in the 70s, and having a much greater emphasis on speed work, which enabled Coe to overcome Ovett's perceived (marginal) greater natural ability. But maybe it alludes to something else!
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That quote ref Ovett / Peter Coe is disrespectful to the work of Harry Wilson, who in addition to Ovett, worked with several other top athletes with great success, and continued on until his death in May 99 (aside - couple of contemparies of mine at Loughborough were coached by him at the time - they were gutted).
Ovett also worked almost daily with Matt Paterson in Brighton, who had a lot of influence over Ovett's training.
What worked for Ovett would likely not have worked for Coe, and vice versa. One was 6'2, strong as an Ox, and could cope with high mileage to build an awesome aerobic system. The other was 5'9 (?), did a lot of weights work to get strong (he would likely have struggled with Ovett's 120mpw, Ovett would have been the size of a 200m runner ;-) ) and a lot of intense interval sessions.
Coe raced indoors, Ovett turned up at the National XC. Horses for courses.
Ovett dabbling - never say never but I know that would be devastating for many people who knew or liked him if true.
Coe - somehow don't think it would surprise too many - especially if it was blood doping pre-'85. His series of races in the Olympics in LA is probably unparalleled. Ovett was destroyed by the schedule (and smog), as was Cruz. Can't find my copy of Coe's book from 1992 but in it he says something about heading out to LA 5 weeks before the games, going via Atlanta for 'physiological tests' from Dr Martin. Don't think he raced in that window. Now, if you were going to have some blood out, to be re-infused just before the 800m heats....
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That quote ref Ovett / Peter Coe is disrespectful to the work of Harry Wilson...
That's why I was wondering if the quote referred to "unconventional" preparations. Ovett must have done a fair bit of speedwork given his finishing burst. I read somewhere that his penultimate 100m in the WC 1500m in 1977 was 11.9s and that this is still the fastest 100m split in a 1500m race other than odd occasions where a top guy "jogs" round in a club/county race before sprinting at the end as a "crowdpleaser".
An old rowing acquaintance of mine was at Loughborough with Coe and said that his low mileage regime wasn't actually quite so low mileage. The Coes just didn't count all the "slow" recovery sessions in the quoted mileage. Anything slower than a 6 minute mile clearly meant nothing to Old Man Coe!0 -
Every now and then we need a brutal public defenstration to keep these oiks in line. It keeps the games relatively clean, unless you're aristo, monarch or clergy. It also saves on wahing-up after a revolution.
I hear you, brother: look at the French - they've been crippled by the cost of washing since 1789.
FTFY.
You've misspelled 'wahing' and the French Revolution ended in 1799, but thanks for caring...
You're welcome...if I'm not very much mistaken the storming of the Bastille in 89 was a direct result of the rising cost of Le Persil (sans biological).
Sorry, that's just a myth. Marie Antoinette never said "Let them use cakes of soap".
On a side not, the rubbishness of French pop & rock is directly explained by the expense of wahing. They just had to look on in impoverished envy as Hendrix got his pedal going.
Just as I resolve to stop looking at this turgid thread, golden exchanges like this turns up. Travel from from doping to psychedelic rock via a lesson in the french revolution and washing powder in 6 posts. Damn you all, I'll have to come back again now.0 -
Sitting high in the stands at Crystal Palace athletics track for some low level vaguely international competition in the '70s (The Green Shield Stamp Championships, or something), I only realised that I was sat across the steps from Coe senior when young Sebastian turned up all harassed, sweaty and posh. They had a tense exchange about something. I had an instant and instinctive dislike of Coe junior that I've never shaken. I was about 6.
I think that's more than enough to go on to conclusively determine he's a wrong 'un. Ovett all the way...0 -
Sitting high in the stands at Crystal Palace athletics track for some low level vaguely international competition in the '70s (The Green Shield Stamp Championships, or something), I only realised that I was sat across the steps from Coe senior when young Sebastian turned up all harassed, sweaty and posh. They had a tense exchange about something. I had an instant and instinctive dislike of Coe junior that I've never shaken. I was about 6.
I think that's more than enough to go on to conclusively determine he's a wrong 'un. Ovett all the way...
Frankly, that's scientific enough for yours truly0 -
Have met both.
Ovett had lunch with a group of us in Helsinki '05, as one of us used to be in his training group back in Brighton. He was, to be frank, very overweight (he'd been in Aus a while and had been through the split with his wife i think), wearing scruffy clothes and didn't give a sh1t. Great company, didn't pull his punches and genuinely interested in what we thought about the state of athletics.
Coe - having blagged into a VIP area at an end of season meeting in 99, we asked him for a photo (as any group of 20 yr old MD runners would). He obliged but made us wait for him to put his beer down before the pic was taken. Then promptly buggered off.
Later that night he tried to walk into a Glasgow 'nitespot' without paying, and used the immortal 'Don't you know who I am' on the unimpressed bouncer.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19673768#p19673768]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Does it matter? It was 30 years ago.
Of course it matters. If you were an Ovett fan then Coe was the Anti-Christ and no effort should be spared to elevate Ovett to the Moscow 800/1500 double.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19673823#p19673823]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19673768#p19673768]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Does it matter? It was 30 years ago.
Of course it matters. If you were an Ovett fan then Coe was the Anti-Christ and no effort should be spared to elevate Ovett to the Moscow 800/1500 double.
Slight issue in that you'd need to get rid of Straub who was 2nd in the 1500 ;-)0 -
Slight issue in that you'd need to get rid of Straub who was 2nd in the 1500 ;-)
Straub was in the Stasi doping files if memory serves and has already been airbrushed from my podium!
He must have been on something special that day as Ovett ran his 2nd fastest last 200m and it was the only time Straub ever beat him.
It's somewhat ironic that the UK media, caught up in the euphria of Coe winning, never questioned Straub's performance when Olaf Beyer who beat both Coe and Ovett in Prague 2 years earlier was immediately branded a doper. Beyer was about the only high profile East German athlete who didn't appear in the files.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19673811#p19673811]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Sitting high in the stands at Crystal Palace athletics track for some low level vaguely international competition in the '70s (The Green Shield Stamp Championships, or something), I only realised that I was sat across the steps from Coe senior when young Sebastian turned up all harassed, sweaty and posh. They had a tense exchange about something. I had an instant and instinctive dislike of Coe junior that I've never shaken. I was about 6.
I think that's more than enough to go on to conclusively determine he's a wrong 'un. Ovett all the way...
Frankly, that's scientific enough for yours truly
And more scientific than most of the bollocks chucked some people's wayIt's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
And more scientific than most of the bollocks chucked some people's way
One of the factors cited by the UK media against Olaf Beyer when he beat Coe and Ovett was that he walked straight off the track afterwards and didn't do a lap of honour. Clearly guilty!0 -
Ovett for me. Never liked Coe. Arrogant and stuck-up.0
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Lord Sebastian Coe is true Gentlemen. He knows how to use a knife and fork, speaks the Queen's English correctly and can command an audunce.
Sir Chris Froome is a gracious gentleman too. He Nibbles away at the parapet of social obsequiousness.0 -
Ovett all the way for me too. never been a fan of Coe. clearly out for only one person, and apparently a nasty little man...0
