Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Speed and endurance are huge factors in football - otherwise players wouldn't be in a downward trajectory from their early to mid 30s. Give Chris Martin at Derby the pace of Raheem Sterling and he'd be the better player but unless you follow football you've probably never heard of Chris Martin.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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Speed and endurance are huge factors in football - otherwise players wouldn't be in a downward trajectory from their early to mid 30s.
Unless you were employed by AC Milan in the 1990s. Ahem."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Speed and endurance are huge factors in football - otherwise players wouldn't be in a downward trajectory from their early to mid 30s. Give Chris Martin at Derby the pace of Raheem Sterling and he'd be the better player but unless you follow football you've probably never heard of Chris Martin.
Give Chris Martin the pace of Raheem Sterling and there will be a conscious uncoupling with Derby.0 -
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19672213#p19672213]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Speed and endurance are huge factors in football - otherwise players wouldn't be in a downward trajectory from their early to mid 30s.
Unless you were employed by AC Milan in the 1990s. Ahem.
Not just AC the Juvenile team of Zidane was guilty as was Pep Guardiola. Why would one of the best players in the world need drugs if they have no effect. Why would Real and Barca employ Fuentes ?
The 54 World Cup winning team were also doped0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19672213#p19672213]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Speed and endurance are huge factors in football - otherwise players wouldn't be in a downward trajectory from their early to mid 30s.
Unless you were employed by AC Milan in the 1990s. Ahem.
Not just AC the Juvenile team of Zidane was guilty as was Pep Guardiola. Why would one of the best players in the world need drugs if they have no effect. Why would Real and Barca employ Fuentes ?
The 54 World Cup winning team were also doped
I was referring to most of their defence playing until they were 197"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Pretty par for the course in football I think.
I remember Richard Moore or David Walsh linking a story on twitter where Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers was being praised and openly talking about bringing new medical/scientific techniques to football - all of which were banned as blood doping in cycling.
Sure it was Liverpool? As a fan who's all over everything about the club I've never seen it claimed once we do anything revolutionary/new in this area under Rodgers and certainly nothing which would even approach what you describe. The only thing he's ever really got praised for was his coaching which he was known for at Swansea. The club doctor/medical staff were already in place and came in under Hodgson in the summer of 2010 and also there under Dalglish.0 -
Would have thought skill was a bigger issue in football than speed. One Neymar is worth a team of Charlie Adams.Pretty par for the course in football I think.
I remember Richard Moore or David Walsh linking a story on twitter where Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers was being praised and openly talking about bringing new medical/scientific techniques to football - all of which were banned as blood doping in cycling.
Whilst the game has got quicker the ability to make space and instinctively play the ball is the difference between a top side and middle table surely.
And what if two teams square off with comparable skill players. Who wins? Surely the team that doesn't get knackered beats the other team. If Messi can't run in the last 20 mins, what use can he be.
That was why English clubs dominated in the 70s/early 80s. They were bigger and fitter than their European counterparts.
Not sure that's true - Liverpool under Paisley played pass and move football which was very different from the likes of Clough's Forest stylistically and physically.0 -
It looks like the IAAF are doing an uncanny impersonation of the UCI circa 1995 (nothing to see here!)
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You'd think all these world governing sports bodies would have looked at what happened with cycling over the past twenty years and realised that it is best to rip the plaster off in one foul swoop, rather than prolonging the inevitable. Just admit it, track-and-field is dirty as fook.
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Sure it was Liverpool? As a fan who's all over everything about the club I've never seen it claimed once we do anything revolutionary/new in this area under Rodgers and certainly nothing which would even approach what you describe. The only thing he's ever really got praised for was his coaching which he was known for at Swansea. The club doctor/medical staff were already in place and came in under Hodgson in the summer of 2010 and also there under Dalglish.
Dunno if it was introduced by someone else but it was definitely Liverpool and Rogers being praised.
Wish I could find the link. The crux of the story was along the lines of: star player tired, Liverpool's new scientific approach would run some blood test (this involved blood spinning, seperation of plasma etc) which would help star player recover faster.
Moore or Walsh said the practice was outlawed by UCI and pointed out how Cycling was held to a totally different level re. sports science.0 -
The state broadcaster is all over the place. Light Entertainment furiously giving us the feelgood road to Rio sports bulletins while Lord (sick) Coe works the politics, creating diversions from the spectre of Grannie's lottery flutter enriching drug barons.
Beautiful story....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Coe doing a good impression of an angry ostrich:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/33784236
"The fightback has to start here," said Coe, an IAAF vice-president.
"It is a declaration of war on my sport. There is nothing in our history of competence and integrity in drug-testing that warrants this kind of attack."
"The idea that my sport sat there either covering up wrongdoing or just being incompetent could not be wider of the mark."
"The use of this stuff, the sensationalising, this is absolutely an attempt to destroy the reputation of the athletes and our sport,"0 -
Coe doing a good impression of an angry ostrich:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/33784236
"The fightback has to start here," said Coe, an IAAF vice-president.
"It is a declaration of war on my sport. There is nothing in our history of competence and integrity in drug-testing that warrants this kind of attack."
"The idea that my sport sat there either covering up wrongdoing or just being incompetent could not be wider of the mark."
"The use of this stuff, the sensationalising, this is absolutely an attempt to destroy the reputation of the athletes and our sport,"
Is that Uncle Hein with a Seb Coe mask on?It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
Sure it was Liverpool? As a fan who's all over everything about the club I've never seen it claimed once we do anything revolutionary/new in this area under Rodgers and certainly nothing which would even approach what you describe. The only thing he's ever really got praised for was his coaching which he was known for at Swansea. The club doctor/medical staff were already in place and came in under Hodgson in the summer of 2010 and also there under Dalglish.
Dunno if it was introduced by someone else but it was definitely Liverpool and Rogers being praised.
Wish I could find the link. The crux of the story was along the lines of: star player tired, Liverpool's new scientific approach would run some blood test (this involved blood spinning, seperation of plasma etc) which would help star player recover faster.
Moore or Walsh said the practice was outlawed by UCI and pointed out how Cycling was held to a totally different level re. sports science.
Yes blood spinning is allowed in football, not sure what else is and isn't allowed.
Don't agree with what Coe has been saying but then I wouldn't expect him to say anything else. As we've seen with cycling until they are faced with a no choice approach, a la Festina, then the powers that be like to stick their head in the sand and ignore it. Even with Festina it still took cycling another 10 years or more to really turn a corner0 -
In order to understand Coe's fury, the comment "Coe, who is standing in the IAAF presidential election on 19 August..." might help.0
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Oh, you big cynic, you It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0
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Response to the IAAF media release by Ashenden and Parisotto this morning -
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sn73ks0 -
For Lord Smooth, these missteps in the way he's handling this after far more in the Verbruggen-McQuaid bar room-brawl style
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Had a chuckle to myself watching an interview with the England Netball coach on SSN last night.
She was asked about the current allegations surrounding IAAF and said something along the lines of:it's good to be involved in a sport that is clean, or at least perceived to be0 -
Particularly noticeable is the complete absence of any special pleading - '...this has really hurt us...' Coe - from these 'so-called experts'. Perhaps Sebastian forgot he was no longer an MP when he lied through his teeth this morning. Such an artless lie, like he's beyond caring....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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Sure it was Liverpool? As a fan who's all over everything about the club I've never seen it claimed once we do anything revolutionary/new in this area under Rodgers and certainly nothing which would even approach what you describe. The only thing he's ever really got praised for was his coaching which he was known for at Swansea. The club doctor/medical staff were already in place and came in under Hodgson in the summer of 2010 and also there under Dalglish.
Dunno if it was introduced by someone else but it was definitely Liverpool and Rogers being praised.
Wish I could find the link. The crux of the story was along the lines of: star player tired, Liverpool's new scientific approach would run some blood test (this involved blood spinning, seperation of plasma etc) which would help star player recover faster.
Moore or Walsh said the practice was outlawed by UCI and pointed out how Cycling was held to a totally different level re. sports science.
Thanks for reply - had a good look in an archive and only thing I can find even vaguely similar to this is a one-off treatment on Daniel Agger's back using "Orthokine" in Germany. However, there are widespread media reports of both Spurs and Chelsea using blood spinning and Dick Pound warning Chelsea against it's use.0 -
Had to have a chuckle at the Coe article on the BBC website this morning - sounds very bit like a man with an election campaign on the horizon. It just shows him as such an arrogant, self-serving politician. If he had any scruples he would have taken this as an opportunity to take on a role of cleaning up athletics. If he was smart and brave enough he could have based his election campaign on this, but unfortunately he's obviously too scared.0
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Coe needs to sort himself out before he loses all credibility. It's inevitable that it will all come out at some point, and the more he does this sort of thing the more people are going to dig into his past, some of which he may not want broadcasted.0
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Had to have a chuckle at the Coe article on the BBC website this morning - sounds very bit like a man with an election campaign on the horizon. It just shows him as such an arrogant, self-serving politician. If he had any scruples he would have taken this as an opportunity to take on a role of cleaning up athletics. If he was smart and brave enough he could have based his election campaign on this, but unfortunately he's obviously too scared.
Unfortunately as FIFA has shown, those in power want to keep the status quo, so basing his election campaign on cleaning up will win him very few internal friends or votes. Instead he will carry on being slimy.0 -
Never liked Seb Coe (most likely a doper in his time) and like him even less now.Contador is the Greatest0
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Never liked Seb Coe (most likely a doper in his time) and like him even less now.
Well there are plenty of links with Conconi if you google.0 -
Never liked Seb Coe (most likely a doper in his time) and like him even less now.
Well there are plenty of links with Conconi if you google.
The thing is that no one's ever been able to make that stick, Joel. Now whether Coe's ludicrous attack on the media will prompt some keen journos to unearth hard evidence re Coe, Conconi and most importantly Coe doing anything more than just the Conconi Test, we'll see
And be wary of taking what you read on letsrun.com forum as gospel - its athletics' equivalent of the Clinic.0 -
You can find just about anything on the internet with google. Doesn't mean that it's all true.Never liked Seb Coe (most likely a doper in his time) and like him even less now.
Well there are plenty of links with Conconi if you google.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Had to have a chuckle at the Coe article on the BBC website this morning - sounds very bit like a man with an election campaign on the horizon. It just shows him as such an arrogant, self-serving politician. If he had any scruples he would have taken this as an opportunity to take on a role of cleaning up athletics. If he was smart and brave enough he could have based his election campaign on this, but unfortunately he's obviously too scared.
Unfortunately as FIFA has shown, those in power want to keep the status quo, so basing his election campaign on cleaning up will win him very few internal friends or votes. Instead he will carry on being slimy.
I don't get the feeling he's basing his campaign on "cleaning up" (unless you mean in the Verbruggen/receiving of bungs, sort of way?) athletics: I suspect he's basing it on seeming like a tough nut with powerful friends that you don't mess with...0 -
Every now and then we need a brutal public defenstration to keep these oiks in line. It keeps the games relatively clean, unless you're aristo, monarch or clergy. It also saves on wahing-up after a revolution....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
