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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674516#p19674516]the article don[/url] wrote:Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team
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Er "UK" ashes team.?
English ashes team you mean. Aside from a few weirdos, no one in Scotland gives a sh*t about cricket.
Plenty of people here in Aberdeen care about it
Aberdeen is full of English people though.
Cricket is practiced as a homosexual matial art in Scotland, according to Frankie Boyle.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674542#p19674542]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:
The actual explanation for the women's marathon world record that she got pacemaking from men. Perfectly acceptable at the time but no longer possible. Some, with good reason, think it should be removed from the record books. It's the athletics equivalent of Boardman's superman hour record.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674411#p19674411]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:but has to date never made reference to the statistically most likely explanation for said favourite athlete's best marathon performance.
BTW the rest of your post would put you in contempt of court if true. You're highly unlikely to be brought up for it but it's not really worth risking it, is it?
Don't think the injunction applies to me. If indeed there is actually one. As it's supposedly a super injunction, no-one's actually meant to refer to the injunction itself.
I'll accept that the mixed element to PR's WR race would have had some impact, but it's still 3 minutes faster than anyone else has run. I think this warrants a bit of further explanation tbh.
Bob Beamon's long jump record set in '68 lasted for 23 years till Mike Powell broke it in '91.
Sometimes - even in these cynical times - it's worth considering that amazing feats are...just that.0 -
Of course it applies to you. It applies to everyone that comes within the jurisdiction of the English courts (and that would include overseas posters posting on this forum, which is English). You'd be unlikely to attract the interest of the authorities though. It's like anonymous tweeters who think they are immune to the law.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674542#p19674542]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:
The actual explanation for the women's marathon world record that she got pacemaking from men. Perfectly acceptable at the time but no longer possible. Some, with good reason, think it should be removed from the record books. It's the athletics equivalent of Boardman's superman hour record.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674411#p19674411]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:but has to date never made reference to the statistically most likely explanation for said favourite athlete's best marathon performance.
BTW the rest of your post would put you in contempt of court if true. You're highly unlikely to be brought up for it but it's not really worth risking it, is it?
Don't think the injunction applies to me. If indeed there is actually one. As it's supposedly a super injunction, no-one's actually meant to refer to the injunction itself.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Of course it applies to you. It applies to everyone that comes within the jurisdiction of the English courts (and that would include overseas posters posting on this forum, which is English). You'd be unlikely to attract the interest of the authorities though. It's like anonymous tweeters who think they are immune to the law.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674542#p19674542]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:
The actual explanation for the women's marathon world record that she got pacemaking from men. Perfectly acceptable at the time but no longer possible. Some, with good reason, think it should be removed from the record books. It's the athletics equivalent of Boardman's superman hour record.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674411#p19674411]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:but has to date never made reference to the statistically most likely explanation for said favourite athlete's best marathon performance.
BTW the rest of your post would put you in contempt of court if true. You're highly unlikely to be brought up for it but it's not really worth risking it, is it?
Don't think the injunction applies to me. If indeed there is actually one. As it's supposedly a super injunction, no-one's actually meant to refer to the injunction itself.
Depends where the servers are, surely?
edit: no, it doesn't.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Of course it applies to you. It applies to everyone that comes within the jurisdiction of the English courts (and that would include overseas posters posting on this forum, which is English). You'd be unlikely to attract the interest of the authorities though. It's like anonymous tweeters who think they are immune to the law.
Injunctions only prevent specific parties from doing specific things. They don't apply generally like the libel / incitement laws that Tweeters fall foul of.
So unless I've been included on any injunction, I'm in the clear. And even if I have been included, I'm probably OK as reasonable efforts to inform me of the situation haven't been made.0 -
Are you aware of Wales?[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674516#p19674516]the article don[/url] wrote:Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team.
Er "UK" ashes team.?
English ashes team you mean. Aside from a few weirdos, no one in Scotland gives a sh*t about cricket.
Yes, it's a landmass in the west of the country which is a county of England. Is that right?Giant Trance X 2010
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Isn't it a principality?0
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British athletes warned not to reveal blood data
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/11789284/British-athletes-warned-not-to-reveal-blood-data.html0 -
Isn't it a principality?
Country, same as Scotland. I believe it *used* to be a principality and is often still referred to as such..Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674648#p19674648]the article don[/url] wrote:
Are you aware of Wales?[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674516#p19674516]the article don[/url] wrote:Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team.
Er "UK" ashes team.?
English ashes team you mean. Aside from a few weirdos, no one in Scotland gives a sh*t about cricket.
Yes, it's a landmass in the west of the country which is a county of England. Is that right?
I've got a good mind to give you a ruddy good punch on the bottom for what you've just said.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674648#p19674648]the article don[/url] wrote:
Are you aware of Wales?[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674516#p19674516]the article don[/url] wrote:Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team.
Er "UK" ashes team.?
English ashes team you mean. Aside from a few weirdos, no one in Scotland gives a sh*t about cricket.
Yes, it's a landmass in the west of the country which is a county of England. Is that right?
I've got a good mind to give you a ruddy good punch on the bottom for what you've just said.
I misread it, I thought it said "landfill to the west......."Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674648#p19674648]the article don[/url] wrote:
Are you aware of Wales?[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674516#p19674516]the article don[/url] wrote:Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team.
Er "UK" ashes team.?
English ashes team you mean. Aside from a few weirdos, no one in Scotland gives a sh*t about cricket.
Yes, it's a landmass in the west of the country which is a county of England. Is that right?
I've got a good mind to give you a ruddy good punch on the bottom for what you've just said.
I misread it, I thought it said "landfill to the west......."
Get out.
Back OT, Darren Campbell had some interesting things to say:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/33799079
Fair play to him.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
WADA setting up an independent investigation into the allegations Coe isn't going to bother investigating.0
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WADA setting up an independent investigation into the allegations Coe isn't going to bother investigating.
*sound of Mr Richard Pound rubbing his hands with relish*
Good.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674745#p19674745]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:WADA setting up an independent investigation into the allegations Coe isn't going to bother investigating.
*sound of Mr Richard Pound rubbing his hands with relish*
Good.
Yep, he is heading it up. I actually trust him.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674745#p19674745]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:WADA setting up an independent investigation into the allegations Coe isn't going to bother investigating.
*sound of Mr Richard Pound rubbing his hands with relish*
Good.
Yep, he is heading it up. I actually trust him.
Hmmm. I've just read that WADA statement from start to finish. Not so promising. Seems more about potential breach of athletes rights to confidentiality of their personal data, than it does to actual doping issues, and an intention to get to investigate, not least of which is the material uncovered re the goings-on in Kenya.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674756#p19674756]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674745#p19674745]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:WADA setting up an independent investigation into the allegations Coe isn't going to bother investigating.
*sound of Mr Richard Pound rubbing his hands with relish*
Good.
Yep, he is heading it up. I actually trust him.
Hmmm. I've just read that WADA statement from start to finish. Not so promising. Seems more about potential breach of athletes rights to confidentiality of their personal data, than it does to actual doping issues, and an intention to get to investigate, not least of which is the material uncovered re the goings-on in Kenya.
Surely they can't not investigate properly though.0 -
World Anti-Doping Agency to investigate athletics doping claims
The World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) is to begin an "urgent" investigation into allegations of widespread doping in athletics.
The Sunday Times published data from 5,000 athletes, which it says reveals an "extraordinary extent of cheating".
Athletics' governing body the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) said the claims were "sensationalist and confusing".
Wada's investigation will be led by its independent commission.
Sir Craig Reedie, Wada president, said his organisation "deplores the manner in which the data was obtained" and had concerns over athlete confidentiality.
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The Sunday Times and German broadcaster ARD/WDR obtained access to the results of 12,000 blood tests between 2001 and 2012 as part of their investigation.
Reedie added that it would be "irresponsible and potentially libellous" to imply that any athlete on the database had been involved in doping.
"I ask that any athlete, or anti-doping organization, concerned that their rights are being eroded or inappropriately challenged, refer those concerns to the commission," he said.
Some of the data obtained pre-dates the 2009 introduction of the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP), an electronic record of athletes' doping tests.
Wada director general David Howman said this data "could not possibly be considered doping, legally or otherwise".
"In addition, atypical blood data, which may be within this database from 2009-2012, is not necessarily indicative of doping," he added.
Lord Coe, an IAAF vice-president, said the introduction of blood passports had "chased some of the highest-named athletes out of our sport".
Coe has said the allegations were a "declaration of war" on athletics and believes it is time to "come out fighting" to protect the sport's reputation.
BBC so it must be true.'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0 -
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The "chased some of the highest-named athletes out of our sport" comment by Coe came in the sentence below, just to put it in context.
(On a side note, Coe is a nöb, but we all know that. He was so embarrassingly cringe-worthy all through the Olympics).Speaking to BBC Radio 4 on Wednesday, Lord Coe backed the IAAF's stance, saying he and the governing body were angered by accusations that they had done nothing to tackle doping.
Coe cited the introduction of the Athlete Biological Passport programme in 2009 as one of the ways the IAAF has been at the forefront of attempts to eradicate doping in sport.
"Every athlete in 2012-13 was subjected to a blood test, which was unprecedented. We have led the way on this and have consistently done so," said Coe - who won Olympic gold in the 1500m at the 1980 and 1984 Games and wants to be the next IAAF president.
"To be selectively suggesting that an elevated one-off reading is the same as a positive test is just so wide of the mark. The blood passport itself is designed to create a profile and it is that profile that has chased some of the highest-named athletes out of our sport.
"It has caused intense embarrassment but we have always taken the view that we would rather have short-term embarrassment and protect the clean athletes.
"This is what it is about and that is why we are so angry at the moment."0 -
Good luck investigating anything in Kenya. Never mind Ethiopia where the testers either can't get Visas to enter the country, or by the time they do they athletes have gone elsewhere.
They need to look at the points of entry in Europe before the big events - I know one (decent and legit) guy who put together fields for Elite distance races - he asked a few questions about why people were entering Europe via Slovenia - was told by the runners 'very good physio there, he gives us injections so we don't catch flu'....0 -
Sunday Times is reporting that there may have been doping in the London marathon. Whatever next.0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674648#p19674648]the article don[/url] wrote:
Are you aware of Wales?[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674516#p19674516]the article don[/url] wrote:Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team.
Er "UK" ashes team.?
English ashes team you mean. Aside from a few weirdos, no one in Scotland gives a sh*t about cricket.
Yes, it's a landmass in the west of the country which is a county of England. Is that right?
I've got a good mind to give you a ruddy good punch on the bottom for what you've just said.
I misread it, I thought it said "landfill to the west......."
Get out.
Back OT, Darren Campbell had some interesting things to say:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/33799079
Fair play to him.
Campbell could say the most interesting thing in history and I wouldn't hear it, I have to switch the volume off when he speaks. I don't think there's anyone I find worse to listen to in any walk of life. I heard they used to play his radio punditry at Guantanamo Bay but it has been banned as inhumane.0 -
7 British athletes including Mo are publishing their passport data. It won't satisfy everyone but it's a good start I suppose. Interesting that the athletes appear more proactive than their governing body.0
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7 British athletes including Mo are publishing their passport data. It won't satisfy everyone but it's a good start I suppose. Interesting that the athletes appear more proactive than their governing body.
One notable absentee.Cannondale Supersix / CAAD9 / Boardman 9.0 / Benotto 30000 -
7 British athletes including Mo are publishing their passport data. It won't satisfy everyone but it's a good start I suppose. Interesting that the athletes appear more proactive than their governing body.
One notable absentee.
Who? Radcliffe? She's retired so why bother? She'd also be the biggest hypocrite in sporting history if anyone proved she doped and after the anti-doping stance she has made over the years I'm pretty sure there'd be people happy to shop her if they could.0 -
7 British athletes including Mo are publishing their passport data. It won't satisfy everyone but it's a good start I suppose. Interesting that the athletes appear more proactive than their governing body.
One notable absentee.
I did glance at the list but it didn't include Holmes, Radcliffe or Ohorugu did it, if so I'd call that 3 notable absentees based on the hints the Sunday Times gave. I know the internet seems to have settled on it being Paula Radcliffe but she's not the only one that fits the description - although I admit she is one of them.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Yeah cos there's never been any hypocrites before when it comes to doping. Kimmage is certainly pointing the finger at Radcliffe and he would know (cue anti Kimmage comments) and it seems the release of the statistics on dirty marathon winners is partly designed to flush her outCannondale Supersix / CAAD9 / Boardman 9.0 / Benotto 30000
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I can't recall another sportsperson getting caught doping having taken such an overtly anti-doping stance. Sure, it could be her but as pointed out there are others who fit the bill too and one in particular with a questionable past. Why would Kimmage know more than anyone else? Having been right once before his M.O. These days is to throw mud at any high profile person.0
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I would say Kimmage would obviously know more than most as its his job to know and he is thick as thieves with David WalshI can't recall another sportsperson getting caught doping having taken such an overtly anti-doping stance. Sure, it could be her but as pointed out there are others who fit the bill too and one in particular with a questionable past. Why would Kimmage know more than anyone else? Having been right once before his M.O. These days is to throw mud at any high profile person.Cannondale Supersix / CAAD9 / Boardman 9.0 / Benotto 30000
