Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Constant monitoring.
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Problem with this line of thought is that at 18, you can sign up for the armed forced and go and get blown to pieces for "King and Country" (or drink / smoke to oblivion) if that's what you want to do. Set against this, protecting adults from themselves with regards to PEDs feels hard to justify.
The flip side is that defining an adult as someone who is 18 is somewhat arbitrary. Some people never develop to the point where they should be allowed to take any meaningful decisions, whereas some 16 year olds are wise beyond their years. And I think choosing 18 predates research as to how long it takes male brains to fully develop.
So the best course of action is to justify banning PEDs simply because they are unfair. This then avoids debates as to when people are actually old enough to make their own decisions. (*) But the regime needs to be taken seriously by those in charge and applied consistently.
(*) As an aside, I found it quite hard to accept that once the offspring hit 18, I could only advise and if necessary, try motivate via (negative) financial incentives. But such is life.
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In effect, that was what happened in the dark days of cycling, and has been reversed now. That's why when I hear about riders beating times from EPOP doped riders on climbs it doesn't worry me - think of all the potentially fantastic riders that never even raced because of the doping
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Not to mention who would bother watching once the freak show nature of it stops?
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Yeah it's not going to make it any more exciting.
We really can't tell the difference on a bike if someone is cycling 45kph instead of 43 visually. Only relatively.
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Good point. However, sport science has moved on with altitude training, recovery etc. I hope that is the explanation. Shorter stages definitely helps
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If you just look at the record rides then and the rides now, the changes are quite obvious.
Significantly lighter and stiffer kit.
Significantly more aero attire and bikes
Significantly shorter stages now compared to then
Significantly different gearing and pedalling styles
and that's before you get to training methods, food etc.
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Lest we forget, there was a long history, especially in "state-sponsored doping regimes" of children getting on the wagon. This would often involve not only coercion to take what was offered but often what was given was not openly told to them or their guardian. So the notion that doping is only something consenting adults engage in seems far fetched. Heck, even someone like Ullrich you suspect wouldn't have been as up on precisely what he was taking as someone like Armstrong.
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For me you "could" perhaps make that argument compared to Pantani's era, but if you look at Froome's era, the differences in times are huge. Froome was nowhere near those times, and his peak was only a handful of years ago. What we're saying is that in a few years absolutely huge gains in tech, nutrition, and training have been made.
I mean your boy Boonen would be in the Paris Roubaix autobus today, and he only retired seven years ago.
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I mean, Boonen ran box wheels with a 36 spoke lace for pretty much all his PRs apart from the final two; now they're running 50mm carbon rims. The kit has moved on a fair bit.
I think for PR specifically, the move to wider rims with wider beds and the associated bigger tyres has had a huge impact on the speed of the race, both over the cobbles but also how much extra speed they can carry on the tarmac.
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Percentage drag reduction.
Aerodynamic aren't really a factor for the majority sitting in a Peloton though. What counts is the riders Infront disturbing the wind. I guess it could mean they can't stay at the front for so long, but they'd just rotate quicker.
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So it shouldn't impact stage time as much as the bikes evolved aerodynamics suggest.
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Surely the race speed is determined by the guys in front, who are in the wind and benefitting from the aero improvements?
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They could put more effort in, but rotate quicker. Also, how often are they going full gas?
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Normally though we hear the Peloton aren't going full gas because they don't want to reel the break in too early. We also hear the break don't ride too hard because they know the Peloton will respond making extra effort a waste of energy.
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Yep, I think I'm discovering a bit of stupidity in my post, but it sounded right in my head at the time and that's the main thing.
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Re "consenting adults", I raised this concept as a question along the lines of why should we (society) prevent consenting adults from doping on health grounds? Safeguarding children is an entirely different matter. And obviously, even as an adult, if the team doctor or anyone else in a position of trust gives you deliberately misleading information, you can't be held to have given consent.
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I think the "talent pool" is considerably wider now than 10-20 years ago. e.g. not so long ago, a native English-speaker in the Tour was quite rare, whereas IIRC, there were 15 or so Brits racing this year. (And obviously, plenty of Aussies etc.) Globally, there are simply more folk able to pursue a career in pro sport than in the past for a variety of reasons. (Mainly more money in the sport as more MAMiLs spend increasingly greater amounts on bikes they don't really need. Guilty as charged here, obviously!)
Also, riders stay in the sport longer, which also helps widen the talent pool.
So the average standard of riders in the major races is higher which helps boost average speeds.
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The USADA Kenyan undercover thing rumbles on a bit, Reuters were a bit too cosy with WADA in their critical articles apparently
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More drugs but I didn't mean it top level in tennis
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Well she has the contamination confirmed by an accredited lab, so she's genuinely in the clear here. I'm not sure what the point of being snarky about it is, I don't think it helps anyone. There are enough "the dog ate my conjoined twin" excuses we can sneer at without being cynical about those who are genuinely innocent.
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I think it's got to the point now where anyone taking anything that they think is legit need to keep a sample back to present for later analysis until it's well through their system.
I buy this excuse but dodgy masseurs with broken skin? I'm snarking hard.
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That's fine. I won't go into her guilt or innocence. What I would ask though, is how would this be received by the cycling media/social media? Not kindly I would think. They have hysterics over legal supplements like ketones.
And this is not a criticism of tennis media, it's a criticism of cycling media, who are addicted to scandal and are trying to make anything into doping case. They are meth addicts in a world with very little meth.
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The biggest culprits in this area tend to be non cycling sports journalists.
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It was interesting that even the usually mild mannered Larry Warbasse laid into Escape Collective over their carbon monoxide "scoop" on the latest Cycling Podcast
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Oh and Jeremy Whittle: he used to sound like he lived beneath a dark cloud of inevitability when it came to drugs and cycling.
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Is this the thing that seems to be hot 'news' and being talked about in a lot of places?
The thing that VLB, UAE and IPT are all meant to be doing, but which they are just saying they do before, and after a training camp to monitor progress, or not?
I haven't read into it at all, or read any articles about it, but is Warbasse of the opinion they have daily heiled it, and are trying to make a sensationalist story out of nothing?
Did I read it correctly that the UCI are potentially going to make some announcement on its use?
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Yes. And they've completely Daily Heiled, or even Expressed it.
Rebreathers are used to measure blood oxygenation capacity, they involve circulating some CO for a minute or so. They're used by teams going to altitude to see what effect the camp has had (one test before, one test after).
But theoretically, you could use a rebreather over a longer period to increase your red blood cell count. There's no evidence of anyone actually doing this, and it's been around as an idea for at least 10 years that I know of. Someone probably is doing it, who knows.
It's not a prohibited method and would be pretty much impossible to trace, so you'd have to catch someone at it if it were prohibited.
The cycling press, lead by Escape Collective have decided this is a terrible thing that needs to be insinuated at every opportunity, and that the boundary between just using it as a test and using it as a performance enhancer should be relegated to the extremely small print. So journalists will regularly ask cyclists if they're using CO2 rebreathers, which for a period confused the fuck out of the riders. They're basically being asked if they're using "legal doping" so say no. But then the team doc says, oh we use the test, yes, that's standard, so the riders are wheeled out for a correction and look dodgy. The press loves this shit, and I'm close to bursting a blood vessel over it.
The UCI, being at the mercy of whichever journalist is having a moral panic at that particular moment, have asked WADA to clear up their position on it.
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