Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Yes, there are strong rumours as to who the top British athlete is and she's been mentioned here before.
I think you've alluded to it being Radcliffe?
she sure has a massive pair of balls, if so
It couldn't be her. She trained really hard. That's why she has the three fastest times in history. Her WR is only 3 mins better than the next best.
Paula's views on Wang Junxia amuse me though. Apparently, Junxia must have been doping because her times are statistical outliers...0 -
i think the below taken from BBC Sport tells you all you need to know about how much knowledge the IAAf had. Has a ring of Sepp Blatter about it
"Outgoing IAAF president Lamine Diack said suggestions his organisation had been negligent in the drug-testing of athletes was "laughable".
The 82-year-old also told the IOC it was a campaign to redistribute medals.
"I believe that the IAAF has always shown that it is absolutely aware that it cannot allow doubts about the performances accomplished by athletes," he said.
"Behind all this is a desire to redistribute medals, take care of this."
People like this are just on the gravy train, very few really care about the sport they are involved with. As long as the $ keep rolling in they are more concerned about keeping things quite than sorting out any problems. Everyone looks at cycling, points fingers and shouts dopers. For me cycling is now light years ahead of tennis, football, athletics, etc when it comes to the fight against doping. All major sports will have to go through what cycling has already been through.0 -
i think the below taken from BBC Sport tells you all you need to know about how much knowledge the IAAf had. Has a ring of Sepp Blatter about it
"Outgoing IAAF president Lamine Diack said suggestions his organisation had been negligent in the drug-testing of athletes was "laughable".
The 82-year-old also told the IOC it was a campaign to redistribute medals.
"I believe that the IAAF has always shown that it is absolutely aware that it cannot allow doubts about the performances accomplished by athletes," he said.
"Behind all this is a desire to redistribute medals, take care of this."
People like this are just on the gravy train, very few really care about the sport they are involved with. As long as the $ keep rolling in they are more concerned about keeping things quite than sorting out any problems. Everyone looks at cycling, points fingers and shouts dopers. For me cycling is now light years ahead of tennis, football, athletics, etc when it comes to the fight against doping. All major sports will have to go through what cycling has already been through.
The way everyone embraces drug cheat Millar when he commentates on TV contrasts sharply with the reaction of the athletics community to Dwain Chambers though, for example. So I'm not convinced. The fight against drugs has to be on all fronts including the fans.0 -
He confessed, did his time, repented and is back. Why not? Do you wish a life of poverty and misery on dopers? He's doing what's he's good at.
Anyway, there must be an argument that an ex doper can help dissuade others from making the same choices?0 -
Yeah, at least Millar had the decency to be open and contrite about it.
IMO it can only be a good thing if there's clearly a route for drugs cheats to get some sort of rehabilitation.0 -
i think the below taken from BBC Sport tells you all you need to know about how much knowledge the IAAf had. Has a ring of Sepp Blatter about it
"Outgoing IAAF president Lamine Diack said suggestions his organisation had been negligent in the drug-testing of athletes was "laughable".
The 82-year-old also told the IOC it was a campaign to redistribute medals.
"I believe that the IAAF has always shown that it is absolutely aware that it cannot allow doubts about the performances accomplished by athletes," he said.
"Behind all this is a desire to redistribute medals, take care of this."
People like this are just on the gravy train, very few really care about the sport they are involved with. As long as the $ keep rolling in they are more concerned about keeping things quite than sorting out any problems. Everyone looks at cycling, points fingers and shouts dopers. For me cycling is now light years ahead of tennis, football, athletics, etc when it comes to the fight against doping. All major sports will have to go through what cycling has already been through.
The way everyone embraces drug cheat Millar when he commentates on TV contrasts sharply with the reaction of the athletics community to Dwain Chambers though, for example. So I'm not convinced. The fight against drugs has to be on all fronts including the fans.
There is no other sport that idolises people who have been caught doping for sure (like Pantani for example). Maradona is the closest and that wasn't really performance-enhancing, he was just a dick.0 -
i think the below taken from BBC Sport tells you all you need to know about how much knowledge the IAAf had. Has a ring of Sepp Blatter about it
"Outgoing IAAF president Lamine Diack said suggestions his organisation had been negligent in the drug-testing of athletes was "laughable".
The 82-year-old also told the IOC it was a campaign to redistribute medals.
"I believe that the IAAF has always shown that it is absolutely aware that it cannot allow doubts about the performances accomplished by athletes," he said.
"Behind all this is a desire to redistribute medals, take care of this."
People like this are just on the gravy train, very few really care about the sport they are involved with. As long as the $ keep rolling in they are more concerned about keeping things quite than sorting out any problems. Everyone looks at cycling, points fingers and shouts dopers. For me cycling is now light years ahead of tennis, football, athletics, etc when it comes to the fight against doping. All major sports will have to go through what cycling has already been through.
The way everyone embraces drug cheat Millar when he commentates on TV contrasts sharply with the reaction of the athletics community to Dwain Chambers though, for example. So I'm not convinced. The fight against drugs has to be on all fronts including the fans.
There is no other sport that idolises people who have been caught doping for sure (like Pantani for example). Maradona is the closest and that wasn't really performance-enhancing, he was just a dick.
He wasn't "just a dick" - many people who care/know about football regard him as one of the all time greats.0 -
i think the below taken from BBC Sport tells you all you need to know about how much knowledge the IAAf had. Has a ring of Sepp Blatter about it
"Outgoing IAAF president Lamine Diack said suggestions his organisation had been negligent in the drug-testing of athletes was "laughable".
The 82-year-old also told the IOC it was a campaign to redistribute medals.
"I believe that the IAAF has always shown that it is absolutely aware that it cannot allow doubts about the performances accomplished by athletes," he said.
"Behind all this is a desire to redistribute medals, take care of this."
People like this are just on the gravy train, very few really care about the sport they are involved with. As long as the $ keep rolling in they are more concerned about keeping things quite than sorting out any problems. Everyone looks at cycling, points fingers and shouts dopers. For me cycling is now light years ahead of tennis, football, athletics, etc when it comes to the fight against doping. All major sports will have to go through what cycling has already been through.
The way everyone embraces drug cheat Millar when he commentates on TV contrasts sharply with the reaction of the athletics community to Dwain Chambers though, for example. So I'm not convinced. The fight against drugs has to be on all fronts including the fans.
There is no other sport that idolises people who have been caught doping for sure (like Pantani for example). Maradona is the closest and that wasn't really performance-enhancing, he was just a dick.
He wasn't "just a dick" - many people who care/know about football regard him as one of the all time greats.
You're right, he was an outrageously gifted dick. Lets not get emotional, sports achievement and personal life are separate issues. Maradonna was a coke addict - hardly a role model? Remember his LA world cup blood test?'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0 -
Yet here we are with an, apparently, much cleaner sport in cycling whilst we see the state of athletics from this leaked data. As others have said Millar was caught, served a ban and returned. What exactly is wrong with that? Whereas athletics would appear to be ignoring very suspect blood values from it's athletes. Which situation do you prefer?i think the below taken from BBC Sport tells you all you need to know about how much knowledge the IAAf had. Has a ring of Sepp Blatter about it
"Outgoing IAAF president Lamine Diack said suggestions his organisation had been negligent in the drug-testing of athletes was "laughable".
The 82-year-old also told the IOC it was a campaign to redistribute medals.
"I believe that the IAAF has always shown that it is absolutely aware that it cannot allow doubts about the performances accomplished by athletes," he said.
"Behind all this is a desire to redistribute medals, take care of this."
People like this are just on the gravy train, very few really care about the sport they are involved with. As long as the $ keep rolling in they are more concerned about keeping things quite than sorting out any problems. Everyone looks at cycling, points fingers and shouts dopers. For me cycling is now light years ahead of tennis, football, athletics, etc when it comes to the fight against doping. All major sports will have to go through what cycling has already been through.
The way everyone embraces drug cheat Millar when he commentates on TV contrasts sharply with the reaction of the athletics community to Dwain Chambers though, for example. So I'm not convinced. The fight against drugs has to be on all fronts including the fans.0 -
i think the below taken from BBC Sport tells you all you need to know about how much knowledge the IAAf had. Has a ring of Sepp Blatter about it
"Outgoing IAAF president Lamine Diack said suggestions his organisation had been negligent in the drug-testing of athletes was "laughable".
The 82-year-old also told the IOC it was a campaign to redistribute medals.
"I believe that the IAAF has always shown that it is absolutely aware that it cannot allow doubts about the performances accomplished by athletes," he said.
"Behind all this is a desire to redistribute medals, take care of this."
People like this are just on the gravy train, very few really care about the sport they are involved with. As long as the $ keep rolling in they are more concerned about keeping things quite than sorting out any problems. Everyone looks at cycling, points fingers and shouts dopers. For me cycling is now light years ahead of tennis, football, athletics, etc when it comes to the fight against doping. All major sports will have to go through what cycling has already been through.
The way everyone embraces drug cheat Millar when he commentates on TV contrasts sharply with the reaction of the athletics community to Dwain Chambers though, for example. So I'm not convinced. The fight against drugs has to be on all fronts including the fans.
There is no other sport that idolises people who have been caught doping for sure (like Pantani for example). Maradona is the closest and that wasn't really performance-enhancing, he was just a dick.
He wasn't "just a dick" - many people who care/know about football regard him as one of the all time greats.
I don't disagree. He was the best I've ever seen, used to love watching him except vs England.
Messi and Zidane are the only ones I've seen who come close, maybe Carlton Palmer too.
What I was actually saying though, is that Maradona is the only God I know in other sports who has served a drugs ban. Probably because it was not a PED so he wasn't trying to cheat.0 -
Maradona was also done for PEDs.0
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Maradona was also done for PEDs.
really? which one?0 -
Maradona was also done for PEDs.
Ephedrine
And this made me laugh at the time...'speedy coffee'....
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/24052011/58/world-cup-maradona-took-drugs-play.html0 -
Maradona was also done for PEDs.
really? which one?
Ephedrine. Popped in 1994. Got a 15 month ban.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19671602#p19671602]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Maradona was also done for PEDs.
really? which one?
Ephedrine. Popped in 1994. Got a 15 month ban.
Ah..at the WC. I used to think that was the charlie. In that case Zidane was better
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19671601#p19671601]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Maradona was also done for PEDs.
Ephedrine
And this made me laugh at the time...'speedy coffee'....
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/24052011/58/world-cup-maradona-took-drugs-play.html
Tells you all you need to know about playing a game of skill on speed: Argentina only beat Australia 1-0. If they hadn't taken the gear, they'd have probably got 6. I'm imagining the entire Argentine team running around like Jack Russells in the park.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19671601#p19671601]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Maradona was also done for PEDs.
Ephedrine
And this made me laugh at the time...'speedy coffee'....
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/24052011/58/world-cup-maradona-took-drugs-play.html
Tells you all you need to know about playing a game of skill on speed: Argentina only beat Australia 1-0. If they hadn't taken the gear, they'd have probably got 6. I'm imagining the entire Argentine team running around like Jack Russells in the park.
Yapping incessantly...trying to hump each other AND the ref's leg....0 -
Ah..at the WC. I used to think that was the charlie. In that case Zidane was better
You don't remember the time Johnny Hallyday accidentally outed Zidane for his visits to a blood doping doctor then ? Not making it up, google it.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Add in the rumours of Madrid and Barca's links to Operation Puerto.0
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Add in the rumours of Madrid and Barca's links to Operation Puerto.
“No hay cojones (no one has the balls) to tell the truth story about Operación Puerto in this country,” Pereiro said. “Don’t even bring up Fuentes. Hopefully some day Fuentes will stand up and say everything he knows. A lot of those bags found in the raids had ‘European championship’ written on them. There isn’t a European championships in cycling. It’s all been an embarrassment.”
Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/11/news/oscar-pereiro-rips-press-on-spanish-talk-show-for-favoring-footballers-over-cyclists-in-doping-cases_198209#0W1KJOpEMkKVYkq1.990 -
Pretty par for the course in football I think.
I remember Richard Moore or David Walsh linking a story on twitter where Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers was being praised and openly talking about bringing new medical/scientific techniques to football - all of which were banned as blood doping in cycling.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19671602#p19671602]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Maradona was also done for PEDs.
really? which one?
Ephedrine. Popped in 1994. Got a 15 month ban.
Ah..at the WC. I used to think that was the charlie. In that case Zidane was better
You've not really paid much attention to the Fuentes case then have you. Plenty of footballers, tennis players and other sportspeople on his list who remain anonymous but about whom it's regarded as "known" (particularly in Spain) that they were clients.
EDIT - that'll teach me to finish reading the thread rather than commenting on posts as I go! Well done to the people that raised it ahead of me! :oops:Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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re: Millar doing his time, I support the calls for life bans for proven dopers (I have Radcliffe and Froome for company
). If you let them back they may still hold an advantage and you could end up with what we have in the mens 100m - Gay, Blake, Powell, Gatlin, Mullings...
do we really want to watch a race between people like that?
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/other-sports/326607/The-drugs-history-of-the-10-fastest-100m-runners-of-all-time
I am not sure whether Millar acts as a deterrent to potential future dopers. If you think the worst that can happen is a 2 year ban then return to the sport and retire to a job with the BBC/ITV, perhaps you might think that a price worth paying.0 -
Well there are rumours, but they all seem to be based on the "fact" that she was on the suspicious list last time, therefore it must definitely be her with the high off-scores. Then lots of people repeating it.
The timing seems off for it to be her. "Several years later the athlete was investigated by the IAAF". I don't know. Seems unfair to guess based on so little.
There is a blurred image of the list on the net which supposedly allows one to make out the relative lengths of the forename and surname, including the GBR entry. I will say no more
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It's clear from the follow up documentary on German TV, linked earlier, that the Russian sporting authorities see it has their patriotic duty to help athletes evade tests. They tell athletes about forthcoming 'random' tests !
http://www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/dokus/videos/geheimsache-doping-engl-version-100.html0 -
As there are no names in this latest story the only person mentioned in Radio 4's coverage was Lance Armstrong.
As for football, it always amuses me when football fans say there is no doping in the sport as its skill based and there'd be no benefit in taking drugs, whilst conveniently ignoring how much quicker and more athletic the game has got in the last 20 years...0 -
Would have thought skill was a bigger issue in football than speed. One Neymar is worth a team of Charlie Adams.Pretty par for the course in football I think.
I remember Richard Moore or David Walsh linking a story on twitter where Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers was being praised and openly talking about bringing new medical/scientific techniques to football - all of which were banned as blood doping in cycling.
Whilst the game has got quicker the ability to make space and instinctively play the ball is the difference between a top side and middle table surely.'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0 -
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/taborre-positive-for-novel-epo-stimulating-drug-fg-4592/0 -
Would have thought skill was a bigger issue in football than speed. One Neymar is worth a team of Charlie Adams.Pretty par for the course in football I think.
I remember Richard Moore or David Walsh linking a story on twitter where Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers was being praised and openly talking about bringing new medical/scientific techniques to football - all of which were banned as blood doping in cycling.
Whilst the game has got quicker the ability to make space and instinctively play the ball is the difference between a top side and middle table surely.
I agree, to a point, but you only have to look at Bolton under Allardyce and Stoke under Pulis to see how speed, strength and endurance can help lesser ''skilled'' teams punch above their weight.
Messi signed for Barca at 13 because they agreed to pay for his growth hormone treatment.0 -
Would have thought skill was a bigger issue in football than speed. One Neymar is worth a team of Charlie Adams.Pretty par for the course in football I think.
I remember Richard Moore or David Walsh linking a story on twitter where Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers was being praised and openly talking about bringing new medical/scientific techniques to football - all of which were banned as blood doping in cycling.
Whilst the game has got quicker the ability to make space and instinctively play the ball is the difference between a top side and middle table surely.
And what if two teams square off with comparable skill players. Who wins? Surely the team that doesn't get knackered beats the other team. If Messi can't run in the last 20 mins, what use can he be.
That was why English clubs dominated in the 70s/early 80s. They were bigger and fitter than their European counterparts.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0
