Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Some good anecdotes on here. Once again confirming my view of Coe; that he is a pr!ck.
As an aside, Coe is colour blind. Would be a good excuse for taking drugs inadvertently.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Some interesting stuff here and good knowledge on Coe and Ovett. Funny how you many loved one and hated the other at the time.
I was always for Ovett but I suspect that it was because often slight underdog..at least he seemed that way.
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I never liked Ovett. Too cocky by half. He used to start celebrating at the top of the home straight. He was once made to look a right dick by John Tracey doing that.
Cram was always my favourite though.
Not a right john by Dick Tracey?
Cram also great. Haaaaaaates dopers too.0 -
Cram was always my favourite though.
I've been reading this thread thinking 'it must suck to be Steve Cram. Any other time he would have been the main man".Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674056#p19674056]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:I never liked Ovett. Too cocky by half. He used to start celebrating at the top of the home straight. He was once made to look a right dick by John Tracey doing that.
Cram was always my favourite though.
Not a right john by Dick Tracey?
Cram also great. Haaaaaaates dopers too.
He was once commenting on a women's long distance race and declared the time to be a world record, with a caveat along the lines of " it's not *actually* a record, but the record doesn't count". Was one of the Chinese records that popped in the early 90s at some random champs that he was referring to.
Always did like the cut of his gib.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Lord Sebastian Coe gobbles at the drug of life, the greatness of his achievements and the contribution towards a sense of pride in Great Britain. The Olympic's 2012 was a Triumph amongst a menagerie of pre event haters.0 -
Big Ovett fan and got his autograph. When Coe beat him in Moscow I was so stunned and upset I just got up and walked out the room before the action replay.
Ran same leg as Coe once in the Cranford road relays. Needless to say he overtook me. Very light but not as light as Joseph Chesire (4th in 1984) who I lined up with in a road race once.0 -
If it ever comes out that Steve Cram was on something ropey I will be inconsolable. For the record, as a boy at the time i preferred Coe, but have grown to thoroughly dislike him over the years and like Ovett more and more. Always wished Tom McKean had got a bit more luck too.0
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And let's not forget gritty Northerner Peter Elliot. We were spoiled back then.Giant Trance X 2010
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Lord Sebastian Coe used to racey like a true champion, people are jealous he is rich and successful. I have a cousin who used to run for Wales, didn't quite make the Olympic's (great clean athlete though). He gave me the low down on the dopers.0
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I never liked Ovett. Too cocky by half. He used to start celebrating at the top of the home straight. He was once made to look a right dick by John Tracey doing that.
Cram was always my favourite though.
Ditto for Cram - was a bit young for Coe & Ovett in their pomp - Cram's Dream Mile WR in 85 is still the greatest thing I've ever seen - very influential when you're 7. And he was 'local' (well 50 miles away).
Very fortunate to have met him as well - he loves the sport and is a brilliant commentator. Am sure he got up to some antics but he was also one of the lads, like Ovett, doing the local 10Ks and XC in the winter.
Glad someone mentioned Elliott - the most unassuming bloke you could meet. He literally was Alf Tupper personified. Worked in a steel mill up until 1987, whilst being one of the best 800m guys in the World. His 3.33 Commonwealth Games win in Jan 1990, and his 1.42.9 800 in May that year get overlooked.
To put it in context how much talent there was in those days - in 1988 Tony Morrell ran 1:44.59, and in '84 Ikem Billy ran 1:44.65, and neither was given a second thought during Olympic selection. These days the BBC would be talking them up as medal prospects.
And all the above, unless I'm very deluded, were clean.0 -
I'm an old Ovett fan. Coe was too clinical, Ovett the rough diamond. One summer the two of them pipped each other's world records on a weekly basis, it was the most exciting period of athletics I remember. Cram was the next generation taking advantage of the coaching knowledge that took C&O to the top but he didn't have the same excitement as those 2. The world couldn't compete with C&O,they were simply fantastic.
Now Coe needs to get his act together and sort out athletics before it gets dragged into the same disasterous situation as cycling. We don't want another Pat McQuaid!'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0 -
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/jan/10/sebastian-coe-steve-cram-running
Power to weight; The right opportunity.
John Treacy, you have a fine memory Rich.
Streve Cram is a brilliant commentator too, excellent coverage when one of the athletes he trained competed. He clearly still has passion and respect for the sport.0 -
If one wants to "diss" Ovett then it's a poor show to reference the John Treacy incident without throwing Tom Byers into the mix. The media had a field day with this at the time!
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Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team
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Because it's too boring having to wait around trying to catch them out.0
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Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team.
Talking of Cram and doping accusations, there's chatter in The Clinic that Cram's favourite female distance runner has taken out a super-injunction in respect of her name and the Sunday Times list. Cram has always been quick to identify/denounce suspicious performances - particularly those of dodgy foreigners - but has to date never made reference to the statistically most likely explanation for said favourite athlete's best marathon performance.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Brendan Foster will probably eat his microphone in horror as well.
As an aside, I'm not sure super-injunctions work on the internet, as Ryan Giggs would doubtless attest.0 -
Now Coe needs to get his act together and sort out athletics before it gets dragged into the same disasterous situation as cycling. We don't want another Pat McQuaid!
Tricky one for Lord Seb. He's a vice president of the IAAF so can't really claim to be not part of it. So he's already implicitly complicit in the IAAF's initial responses to the Sunday Times claims which were to try a get an injunction to suppress publication and then to try and discredit the two scientists involved (Robin Parisotto and Michael Ashenden) whose credentials appear to my untutored eye to be very impressive.0 -
Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team.
In order for doping to take place, doesn't some sport need to happen first?Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team.
Meh, it's like comparing Froome to Bertie in the Tour - one is on form and one team clearly has problems with the head
(Man, yesterday was fun, even with a bunch of people who wouldnt recognize a cricket bat if you...etc)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0
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Because it's too boring having to wait around trying to catch them out.
Lol at the pun.Lord Sebastian Coe used to racey like a true champion, people are jealous he is rich and successful. I have a cousin who used to run for Wales, didn't quite make the Olympic's (great clean athlete though). He gave me the low down on the dopers.
Want to share?Contador is the Greatest0 -
The actual explanation for the women's marathon world record that she got pacemaking from men. Perfectly acceptable at the time but no longer possible. Some, with good reason, think it should be removed from the record books. It's the athletics equivalent of Boardman's superman hour record.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674411#p19674411]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:but has to date never made reference to the statistically most likely explanation for said favourite athlete's best marathon performance.
BTW the rest of your post would put you in contempt of court if true. You're highly unlikely to be brought up for it but it's not really worth risking it, is it?Twitter: @RichN950 -
The actual explanation for the women's marathon world record that she got pacemaking from men. Perfectly acceptable at the time but no longer possible. Some, with good reason, think it should be removed from the record books. It's the athletics equivalent of Boardman's superman hour record.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674411#p19674411]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:but has to date never made reference to the statistically most likely explanation for said favourite athlete's best marathon performance.
BTW the rest of your post would put you in contempt of court if true. You're highly unlikely to be brought up for it but it's not really worth risking it, is it?
Its a parallel with the 'OMG X rider climbed that climb faster than Larry & Co ergo must be a doper too'
- No context
- No consideration given to the circumstances surrounding the performance being lazily targeted as 'most have doped'
- No accounting for what rules governed the event at the time0 -
Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team.
Er "UK" ashes team.?
English ashes team you mean. Aside from a few weirdos, no one in Scotland gives a sh*t about cricket.Giant Trance X 2010
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Are you aware of Wales?[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674516#p19674516]the article don[/url] wrote:Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team.
Er "UK" ashes team.?
English ashes team you mean. Aside from a few weirdos, no one in Scotland gives a sh*t about cricket.Twitter: @RichN950 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674516#p19674516]the article don[/url] wrote:Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team.
Er "UK" ashes team.?
English ashes team you mean. Aside from a few weirdos, no one in Scotland gives a sh*t about cricket.
Sense the tone...0 -
The actual explanation for the women's marathon world record that she got pacemaking from men. Perfectly acceptable at the time but no longer possible. Some, with good reason, think it should be removed from the record books. It's the athletics equivalent of Boardman's superman hour record.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674411#p19674411]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:but has to date never made reference to the statistically most likely explanation for said favourite athlete's best marathon performance.
BTW the rest of your post would put you in contempt of court if true. You're highly unlikely to be brought up for it but it's not really worth risking it, is it?
Don't think the injunction applies to me. If indeed there is actually one. As it's supposedly a super injunction, no-one's actually meant to refer to the injunction itself.
I'll accept that the mixed element to PR's WR race would have had some impact, but it's still 3 minutes faster than anyone else has run. I think this warrants a bit of further explanation tbh.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19674516#p19674516]the article don[/url] wrote:Cram is a knob.
In other news, why aren't there more doping accusations around the UK ashes team.
Er "UK" ashes team.?
English ashes team you mean. Aside from a few weirdos, no one in Scotland gives a sh*t about cricket.
Plenty of people here in Aberdeen care about it
Aberdeen is full of English people though.0
