Drugs in other sports and the media.
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19633909#p19633909]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19633835#p19633835]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:...because I'm concerned that coming after my wing-man was caught not knowing which side of the thin blue line to ride at the Giro, people might start wondering if Dave & the Miracles really embody their brand values.
So they failed to live up to their aspirations? Have you never?
Everybody has. These aren't aspirations, though. They are corporate BS guru media narratives designed as distractions from the fact that the guru has rusty rims. They only started looking at their riders' BP profiles after JTL had ridden for a year. 'As far as possible' my erkie.
Is cobblers and you know it. Are you asking a cycling team to run a bio passport scheme in parallel with the one run by the UCI? How many cycling teams have the expertise and budget to accurately model and interperet BP data?
Also, what would they compare JTL's passport date too before he'd been riding for a year? One test at the worlds? And what would that tell them? There's a reason it took the UCI a year to nail him, because it takes that long to gather sufficient data to model.
In the light of all the 'no stones unturned', and 'stepping up to the line but no further' chanting, I was surprised that they do less compliance testing than a team like Garmin for instance, and mildly shocked that they didn't look at any of their riders' passport data until after JTL was pinged (hence the discovery of Sergio's surprising parameters).
[I'm not suggesting that any passport data would have stopped the JTL hire. You probably had to be plugged-in to the UK racing scene to dodge that bullet.]...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19633736#p19633736]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Because if I had something to hide, I'd definitely tell people about my missed tests
Maybe he got wind that the story of the missed test was going public anyway and thought it wise to make a pre-emptive strike.
I'd have some sympathy if he'd claimed that he was heading down to the front desk just before 7am to make arrangements should the testers arrive but that he was side-tracked by the amorous intentions of Ms Cound and was thus at the mercy of millions of years of human evolution, aimed solely at propagating his genes and did what Mother Nature, rather than the Whereabouts Code required.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19633988#p19633988]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19633736#p19633736]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Because if I had something to hide, I'd definitely tell people about my missed tests
Maybe he got wind that the story of the missed test was going public anyway and thought it wise to make a pre-emptive strike.
I'd have some sympathy if he'd claimed that he was heading down to the front desk just before 7am to make arrangements should the testers arrive but that he was side-tracked by the amorous intentions of Ms Cound and was thus at the mercy of millions of years of human evolution, aimed solely at propagating his genes and did what Mother Nature, rather than the Whereabouts Code required.
Good example of target testing. I'd keep quiet about this too....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
String him up. 2 missed tests in 5 years. That's basically the same as 3 in 12 months.0
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Salazar strikes me as someone would try just about anything that was legal and get any TUE he could get his hands on - but not actually step over then line to anything he or his athletes could be sanctioned for.seeing as this is meant to be the thread about other sports what does everyone make of the Salazar statement ?
Not read it in full just what has been reported on the BBC but seems the usual BS they all come out with. No I wouldn't do this or that. He has allergies etc etc
But then that's been his reputation for a long time.
Don't follow athletics closely enough to know the background on this one. Was interesting during the doc they had two ex athletes who had some stuff with his writing on the bottle. Or so it was claimed anyway.
There does seem to be a lot of abuse of the TUE system, would Salazar consider that OK0 -
That's a conspiracy theorist's angle, certainly. However, the sensible person's angle is that journalists attending the usual Sky pre-Tour press day asked him the question because it was at the forefront of their minds due to Mo Farah. They ask a straight question, he gives straight answer. Simple.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19633988#p19633988]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19633736#p19633736]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Because if I had something to hide, I'd definitely tell people about my missed tests
Maybe he got wind that the story of the missed test was going public anyway and thought it wise to make a pre-emptive strike.Twitter: @RichN950 -
String him up. 2 missed tests in 5 years. That's basically the same as 3 in 12 months.
In the most important race of year so far their no. 1 rider didn't know basic rules of racing. Now the franchise rider can't work whereabouts. Yet the leader is widely admired as an attention to detail guru. It's a cult....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Attention to detail doesn't make people immune from errors. Even NASA manage to blow up the crew once in a while.String him up. 2 missed tests in 5 years. That's basically the same as 3 in 12 months.
In the most important race of year so far their no. 1 rider didn't know basic rules of racing. Now the franchise rider can't work whereabouts. Yet the leader is widely admired as an attention to detail guru. It's a cult.Twitter: @RichN950 -
String him up. 2 missed tests in 5 years. That's basically the same as 3 in 12 months.
In the most important race of year so far their no. 1 rider didn't know basic rules of racing. Now the franchise rider can't work whereabouts. Yet the leader is widely admired as an attention to detail guru. It's a cult.
But he did work the system. The hotel staff refused to admit the testers or call up to the room."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Pretty easy to verify Froome's account here isn't it. If the journo asks the hotel they can either confirm or otherwise their policy on guest privacy.0
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That's a conspiracy theorist's angle, certainly. However, the sensible person's angle is that journalists attending the usual Sky pre-Tour press day asked him the question because it was at the forefront of their minds due to Mo Farah. They ask a straight question, he gives straight answer. Simple.
The conspiracy theory angle is clearly that Froome was glowing red-hot and took evasive action!
Was the question asked at a Sky press conference? There's no background in the stories I've read, just quotes of what he's said.
Anyway, the reason why he's fessed up is a minor point. The major point is just how cr*p his excuse sounds. As I said about Farah earlier in this thread, if your reputation and career depend on being available in your allotted hour, you make damned sure appropriate arrangements are in place.0 -
Seems like another case of it being impossible for Sky to do anything right as far as some people are concerned...0
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Attention to detail doesn't make people immune from errors. Even NASA manage to blow up the crew once in a while.String him up. 2 missed tests in 5 years. That's basically the same as 3 in 12 months.
In the most important race of year so far their no. 1 rider didn't know basic rules of racing. Now the franchise rider can't work whereabouts. Yet the leader is widely admired as an attention to detail guru. It's a cult.
Dave says he's passionate about logistics and you reach for stars. Pavlovian....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
That's a conspiracy theorist's angle, certainly. However, the sensible person's angle is that journalists attending the usual Sky pre-Tour press day asked him the question because it was at the forefront of their minds due to Mo Farah. They ask a straight question, he gives straight answer. Simple.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19633988#p19633988]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19633736#p19633736]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Because if I had something to hide, I'd definitely tell people about my missed tests
Maybe he got wind that the story of the missed test was going public anyway and thought it wise to make a pre-emptive strike.
Expect the conspiracy theorist/journalist to next ask the unnamed hotel to confirm the story....0 -
He was in a nice hotel in Italy making a baby with his wife.
He not going to be answering the door to anyone for anything.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
He was in a nice hotel in Italy making a baby with his wife.
He not going to be answering the door to anyone for anything.
Open your horizons, TWH...0 -
Even NASA manage to blow up the crew once in a while.
so wrong, but so funny0 -
Dave says he's passionate about logistics and you reach for stars. Pavlovian.
Ha ha really!? He describes himself as passionate about logistics! Excellent. I'm sure there's a job in at DHL if this doesn't work out.0 -
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That's Davide Appolonio for EPO, for those that haven't seen.
He will lose his Tour of Slovenia points classification win. Which he looked delighted to have won.
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Has anyone put 2 + 2 together and worked out he started on this path at a certain previous team?
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Of course. Also (genuinely) people apologising to him on twitter, due to him being a sacrificial lamb offered up at the altar of Brian Cookson. Because cycling never bans its biggest riders or something.0
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That's former sky rider Davide Appolonio for EPO, for those that haven't seen.
He will lose his Tour of Slovenia points classification win. Which he looked delighted to have won.
corrected that first sentence for you"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
String him up. 2 missed tests in 5 years. That's basically the same as 3 in 12 months.
In the most important race of year so far their no. 1 rider didn't know basic rules of racing. Now the franchise rider can't work whereabouts. Yet the leader is widely admired as an attention to detail guru. It's a cult.
Seems like a fair proportion of the cycling world didn't know the "basic rules of racing" when it comes to borrowing a wheel from another team. It's an edge case, something that occurs so exceptionally rarely that people cant be expected to know about it. Sky have attention to detail, but they're not the boy scouts "prepare for every possibility". There's no point in filling riders' head's with ten thousand exceptionally unlikely scenarios they need to memorise. You want them focussed on the top ten things that are important right now.
Froome's whereabouts miss is just as unpredictable.
I think your deep loathing for Brailsford and the Sky ethos is seriously twisting your perceptions. Brailsford isn't God and Sky aren't adverse to spinning a bit of corporate PR. But that doesn't make Brailsford Satan - or a complete charlatan - and it doesn't make Sky the provisional wing of the Conservative party.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Couple of days late with the Great Leader defence, chief. You'll be gutted when you find out another of his hires was engaged in illegal winning behaviours....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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Couple of days late with the Great Leader defence, chief. You'll be gutted when you find out another of his hires was engaged in illegal winning behaviours.
Not a great leader defence, just think you're swatting flies and claiming it's a lion hunt.
Brailsford is a delegator, a good manager. Lacks some personal skills and a bit of EQ maybe, but for the rest of it he finds people that can make a difference for the job and puts trust in them.
If anyone at Sky is engaged in "illegal winning behaviours" ten I doubt it's organised or even complicity sanctioned by the team. I also doubt they'd have the ability to spot it, even if they did implement their own bio-passport.
BTW - if I remember correctly, it was Sky that blew the whistle on JTL. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
I don't think that's rightBTW - if I remember correctly, it was Sky that blew the whistle on JTL. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Couple of days late with the Great Leader defence, chief. You'll be gutted when you find out another of his hires was engaged in illegal winning behaviours.
Not a great leader defence, just think you're swatting flies and claiming it's a lion hunt.
Brailsford is a delegator, a good manager. Lacks some personal skills and a bit of EQ maybe, but for the rest of it he finds people that can make a difference for the job and puts trust in them.
If anyone at Sky is engaged in "illegal winning behaviours" ten I doubt it's organised or even complicity sanctioned by the team. I also doubt they'd have the ability to spot it, even if they did implement their own bio-passport.
BTW - if I remember correctly, it was Sky that blew the whistle on JTL. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that.
Well if the testers can't spot it on a 7am test and it doesn't flag the passport then what chance have the teams got?0 -
Think the Doc refers to Sergio's alarming post-altitude parameters. JTL grassed him up in the sense that Dave was now wide awake to the prospect that his hires might dope. In the wake of this humiliation Dave asked some guys to look at his team's blood.
Appollonio would have been quite safe at Sky....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Think the Doc refers to Sergio's alarming post-altitude parameters. JTL grassed him up in the sense that Dave was now wide awake to the prospect that his hires might dope. In the wake of this humiliation Dave asked some guys to look at his team's blood.
Appollonio would have been quite safe at Sky.
No, I was referring to how the JTL case came about! I was under the impression, apparently mistaken, that Sky themselves noticed something strange in his parameters and asked for clarification from the authorities.
Btw - let's not forget that JTL got caught because he gave up the dope when he joined Sky. Again, if I remember correctly.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
