Drugs in other sports and the media.
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19629175#p19629175]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19628955#p19628955]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:
I find it less likely to result in disappointment if I abide by Father-In-Law's investment advice: If it seems too good to be true then it probably is.
Words lose their meaning when people exaggerate how superior Froome is to Contador, Quintana, Nibali, TJVG blah blah.
In my context, too good to be true refers to going from nothing (in elite terms) to a GT podium in the space of a month aged 26.
What PED enables this miraculous so-called transformation? To convict based on the fact that a guy from a unique background (in pro-cycling nursery terms) has an unconventional progression is incredibly thin. I mean the guy has had to survive the worst that Wiggins, Kerrison and Brailsford could throw at him. The real miracle is he still rides a bike....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
It would be a low but i don't see much fallout from it other than for Mo
By rights, the trustees of lottery lucre should demand the heads of the responsible bodies - minimally to including Baron Coe - before handing over another magic bean. Fortunately for him, our Seb has fairly solid establishment connections. His colllection of Hague's colonic fauna is particularly celebrated....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Why has it got anything to do with Seb Coe? He's never had any position in British Athletics.
It would be a low but i don't see much fallout from it other than for Mo
By rights, the trustees of lottery lucre should demand the heads of the responsible bodies - minimally to including Baron Coe - before handing over another magic bean. Fortunately for him, our Seb has fairly solid establishment connections. His colllection of Hague's colonic fauna is particularly celebrated.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Why has it got anything to do with Seb Coe? He's never had any position in British Athletics.
It would be a low but i don't see much fallout from it other than for Mo
By rights, the trustees of lottery lucre should demand the heads of the responsible bodies - minimally to including Baron Coe - before handing over another magic bean. Fortunately for him, our Seb has fairly solid establishment connections. His colllection of Hague's colonic fauna is particularly celebrated.
Ah but he's a member of the Conservative party and therefore responsible for everything bad that ever happened ever."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19629244#p19629244]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Why has it got anything to do with Seb Coe? He's never had any position in British Athletics.
Ah but he's a member of the Conservative party and therefore responsible for everything bad that ever happened ever.
I confess, it was a bit of a broad lash, but it was rather difficult to name a figure in athletics as influential and prominent as Brailsford in cycling.In November 2012 he was also appointed chairman of the British Olympic Association. In 2012 he was of one of 24 athletes inducted as inaugural members of the International Association of Athletics Federations Hall of Fame.[6] Coe was presented with the Lifetime Achievement award at the BBC Sports Personality of the Year in December 2012.
But also this, from the big cheese of London 2012 is inconceivable in cycling.Lord Sebastian Coe calls on friend Alberto Salazar to defend himself
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What PED enables this miraculous so-called transformation?
EPO / blood transfusions perhaps? They've underlain many past miraculous transformations attributed to changes in diet, training, weightloss, position in team etc.To convict based on the fact that a guy from a unique background (in pro-cycling nursery terms) has an unconventional progression is incredibly thin.
I'm not convicting. I'm just expressing my view on a binary scale. This binary scale applies to doping in real life, as a rider either is or isn't, so that's the framework I apply when making my judgements. There's obviously room to drive a coach and horse through my reasoning.0 -
I confess, it was a bit of a broad lash, but it was rather difficult to name a figure in athletics as influential and prominent as Brailsford in cycling.
It now has a quality control setting - when you try and link two totally unrelated things like Mo Farrah and Dave Brailsford it throws in a few spanners to try and make you think about what your posting a bit more. It clearly is not 100% reliable though[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19629244#p19629244]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:
Ah but he's a member of the Conservative party and therefore responsible for everything bad that ever happened ever.
Tom Freeman @SnoozeInBrief
There are only two positions that exist:
1)exactly what I think
2)Tory
:PWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/18/mo-farah-fresh-questions-missed-drug-tests
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Ah Presumably - such a good word isnt it...covers all manner of nonsense
All it means is that I'm presuming that anyone presenting at a reputable doctor with Bilharzia-like symptoms having recently lived in / visited Africa would be screened for Bilharzia. I may be wrong. Froome may have visited a witch-doctor or been treated with leeches for all I actually know.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19629275#p19629275]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:What PED enables this miraculous so-called transformation?
EPO / blood transfusions perhaps? They've underlain many past miraculous transformations attributed to changes in diet, training, weightloss, position in team etc.To convict based on the fact that a guy from a unique background (in pro-cycling nursery terms) has an unconventional progression is incredibly thin.
I'm not convicting. I'm just expressing my view on a binary scale. This binary scale applies to doping in real life, as a rider either is or isn't, so that's the framework I apply when making my judgements. There's obviously room to drive a coach and horse through my reasoning.
But you said 'in a month'. EPO can transform a donkey into GT winner 'in a month?' Is this not an exaggeration?
It's obviously possible that he and the team are frauds but late emergence in his circumstances feels weak to me....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19629399#p19629399]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:Ah Presumably - such a good word isnt it...covers all manner of nonsense
All it means is that I'm presuming that anyone presenting at a reputable doctor with Bilharzia-like symptoms having recently lived in / visited Africa would be screened for Bilharzia. I may be wrong. Froome may have visited a witch-doctor or been treated with leeches for all I actually know.
Not may be, you areWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Save your monry Mo, missed drug tests are the least of your worries right now...
Maybe buy a new doorbell instead. I gather his lawyers are very busy at the moment too.0 -
What do political parties have to do with this? (Other than the privatisation of our alleged cheating :-) ) He may equally have fed on a Straw. Still seems extraordinary to me that an IOC cheese is comfortable referring to alleged cheat Salazar as 'my friend'. Why is athletics privileged in this way?...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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But the bilharzia symptoms aren't anything unique. He would have felt tired and coughed a bit. Well, he would - he's a cyclist with asthma.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19629399#p19629399]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:Ah Presumably - such a good word isnt it...covers all manner of nonsense
All it means is that I'm presuming that anyone presenting at a reputable doctor with Bilharzia-like symptoms having recently lived in / visited Africa would be screened for Bilharzia. I may be wrong. Froome may have visited a witch-doctor or been treated with leeches for all I actually know.
Unless he's Gregory House, a GP in Tuscany will consider dozens of ailments before an african illness he's almost certainly never seen before.
There was more than just illness holding him back - the collapse of Barloworld, who provided little support to start with, no formal coaching, no dietary advice, no proper race program, not being a Sky priority when they were learning from their mistakes, a knee injury, no idea how to ride a race sensibly.
For three years he was basically a big talent making it up as he went along with barely a clue to start with.Twitter: @RichN950 -
When Mrs Bomp was a medical student it was a standing joke that, when they had to reel off something like "18 causes of finger clubbing" or "43 causes of a persistent cough", bilharzia and kala-azar (similar disease) were always there at the bottom of the list. Once they all start working, of course, they forget the nonsense and concentrate on the most likely things:Unless he's Gregory House, a GP in Tuscany will consider dozens of ailments before an african illness he's almost certainly never seen before.
"If you see a bird in your back garden and you're not sure if it's a canary or a sparrow, it's a lot more likely to be a sparrow. If it's bright yellow? Probably a sparrow that fell into a pot of yellow paint"0 -
Not looking good our Mo is it?0
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But the bilharzia symptoms aren't anything unique. He would have felt tired and coughed a bit. Well, he would - he's a cyclist with asthma.
Unless he's Gregory House, a GP in Tuscany will consider dozens of ailments before an african illness he's almost certainly never seen before.
Don't go there with the asthma...
Anyway, I'm sticking with Father-In-Law's advice, not that it will make one iota of difference to the Froomedog.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19629201#p19629201]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19629184#p19629184]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:I'm not sure Barloworld were screening for African waterborne parasites, or doing much more than giving their guys a bike and some kit and a cheque every month.
Maybe not, but there are plenty of doctors in Western Europe where Froome has been based for years. Obviously Froome would need to have visited one, but if you were experiencing fatigue such that your race performances were cr*p relative to training sessions or previous performance levels or if you experienced prolonged Bilharzia symptoms (including fevers, blood in urine and dysentery) then you'd probably go and see a doctor.
Anyone having recently visited Africa (let alone having lived there) who presented with such symptoms would presumably be screened for Bilharzia as it's the second most common tropical disease. The screening process is easy and reliable with the treatments safe and effective. The problem most folk with the disease have is lack of healthcare and prolonged exposure to unhygenic conditions.
So I remain suspicious!
All that said, I have sneaky admiration for Froome if the story about hacking into the Kenyan Cycling Fed's email account to enter the World Champs a few years ago is true. And he managed to engineer Wiggo out of the role of "Chosen One" at Sky, which must have taken some doing.
not sure how much 'engineering' it would have taken to be honest not sure wiggins was ever going to try win the tour multiple times....0 -
Froome follows Farah: you can't fail if you don't take the test.
"It's opened my eyes and I'm definitely going to be more proactive in the future"
This team thinks we're morons: claiming to go up to 'the line' but no further. Aye. Right....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Froome follows Farah: you can't fail if you don't take the test.
"It's opened my eyes and I'm definitely going to be more proactive in the future"
This team thinks we're morons: claiming to go up to 'the line' but no further. Aye. Right.
Because if I had something to hide, I'd definitely tell people about my missed tests"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Well that is no good at all especially given his outspokenness, his team's attention to detail and their stupid stance on all things related to doping. However, I would rather be inclined to take his word for it and therefore this missed test is acceptable. In the interests of his team's stupid image and stance however he should have made this information available when it happened.Contador is the Greatest0
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...because I'm concerned that coming after my wing-man was caught not knowing which side of the thin blue line to ride at the Giro, people might start wondering if Dave & the Miracles really embody their brand values.
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...because I'm concerned that coming after my wing-man was caught not knowing which side of the thin blue line to ride at the Giro, people might start wondering if Dave & the Miracles really embody their brand values.
So they failed to live up to their aspirations? Have you never?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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However, I would rather be inclined to take his word for it and therefore this missed test is acceptable.
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19633835#p19633835]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:...because I'm concerned that coming after my wing-man was caught not knowing which side of the thin blue line to ride at the Giro, people might start wondering if Dave & the Miracles really embody their brand values.
So they failed to live up to their aspirations? Have you never?
Everybody has. These aren't aspirations, though. They are corporate BS guru media narratives designed as distractions from the fact that the guru has rusty rims. They only started looking at their riders' BP profiles after JTL had ridden for a year. 'As far as possible' my erkie....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19633835#p19633835]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:...because I'm concerned that coming after my wing-man was caught not knowing which side of the thin blue line to ride at the Giro, people might start wondering if Dave & the Miracles really embody their brand values.
So they failed to live up to their aspirations? Have you never?
Everybody has. These aren't aspirations, though. They are corporate BS guru media narratives designed as distractions from the fact that the guru has rusty rims. They only started looking at their riders' BP profiles after JTL had ridden for a year. 'As far as possible' my erkie.
Is cobblers and you know it. Are you asking a cycling team to run a bio passport scheme in parallel with the one run by the UCI? How many cycling teams have the expertise and budget to accurately model and interperet BP data?
Also, what would they compare JTL's passport date too before he'd been riding for a year? One test at the worlds? And what would that tell them? There's a reason it took the UCI a year to nail him, because it takes that long to gather sufficient data to model."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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seeing as this is meant to be the thread about other sports what does everyone make of the Salazar statement ?
Not read it in full just what has been reported on the BBC but seems the usual BS they all come out with. No I wouldn't do this or that. He has allergies etc etc0 -
Salazar strikes me as someone would try just about anything that was legal and get any TUE he could get his hands on - but not actually step over then line to anything he or his athletes could be sanctioned for.seeing as this is meant to be the thread about other sports what does everyone make of the Salazar statement ?
Not read it in full just what has been reported on the BBC but seems the usual BS they all come out with. No I wouldn't do this or that. He has allergies etc etc
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Seems that way. awfully sad, in my view as he's coached a selection of very good athletes, and there is very probably suspicion around them all collectively.0
