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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Fair play, that's good stuff from PK
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • markwb79
    markwb79 Posts: 937
    Did I miss something?

    http://nationalreport.net/netherlands-c ... g-scandal/
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  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    Markwb79 wrote:
    Did I miss something?

    http://nationalreport.net/netherlands-c ... g-scandal/

    Not sure I believe this to be honest. Article sounds like it is made up and can't a FIFA anti doping official saying they won't punish a player
  • jmacsam
    jmacsam Posts: 270
    I have a friend who's played rugby here to a pretty high level and we got chatting about drugs in cycling - I asked him about rugby and he told me a story about being at a match in SA a few years ago - his player friends there referred to the game as Drugby - and told him the use of HGH, ephedrine etc was rampant. Anecdotal I know but does beg a question

    Link to an interview with Paul Kimmage on Today FM - (about 35mins in)

    http://www.todayfm.com/player/listen_ba ... _The_Ray_D

    promoting this:-

    http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news ... isty-form/
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    I see a 16 year old girl has had her CG weightlifting medal removed after a failed dope test. It's really worrying that kids so young are already doping (I'm also surprised that a 16 year old is allowed to compete in international weightlifting, it can't be great for a developing body).
  • mulletmaster
    mulletmaster Posts: 502
    Not to mention Dustin Johnston being put on 6 months gardening leave by the uspga for what is almost certainly his THIRD positive test while being allowed to describe it as a break for 'personal reasons'
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Now two athletes at the CWG failed drugs test.

    A few of the Scottish boxers will fail them tomorrow morning.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    mulletmaster wrote:
    Not to mention Dustin Johnston being put on 6 months gardening leave by the uspga for what is almost certainly his THIRD positive test while being allowed to describe it as a break for 'personal reasons'
    To be fair to them he's not doping, he's got a cocaine addiction.
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  • mm1
    mm1 Posts: 1,063
    I'm useless at posting links using my tablet (operator error) but in an interview in the Irish Independent on the eve of RTE showing the Rough Ride film, Kimmage mentions a British teenage tennis player who dropped out of the game when the LTA offered her HGH. No sign of the press here picking up on that story. Doping children is very much coach CC wonderboy / Geneveve Jeanson abuse territory.

    Nicole Cooke has some very trenchant things to say about the abusive element of some coaching relationships in her book. I suspect that there are safeguarding problems in many sports.
  • bikes`n`guns
    bikes`n`guns Posts: 959
    sjmclean wrote:
    Now two athletes at the CWG failed drugs test.

    A few of the Scottish boxers will fail them tomorrow morning.

    Why would that be then ?
    Trek,,,, too cool for school ,, apparently
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Markwb79 wrote:
    Did I miss something?

    http://nationalreport.net/netherlands-c ... g-scandal/


    This is a fake article.
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  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,123
    mm1 wrote:
    Rough Ride film

    I just googled for that but the results didn't involve cycling! :shock:
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  • mulletmaster
    mulletmaster Posts: 502
    RichN95 wrote:
    mulletmaster wrote:
    Not to mention Dustin Johnston being put on 6 months gardening leave by the uspga for what is almost certainly his THIRD positive test while being allowed to describe it as a break for 'personal reasons'
    To be fair to them he's not doping, he's got a cocaine addiction.
    Genuinely, what would happen of bertie froome or quintana tested positive for coke once never mind 3 times?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Err, Boonen's been done twice for starters.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    mulletmaster wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mulletmaster wrote:
    Not to mention Dustin Johnston being put on 6 months gardening leave by the uspga for what is almost certainly his THIRD positive test while being allowed to describe it as a break for 'personal reasons'
    To be fair to them he's not doping, he's got a cocaine addiction.
    Genuinely, what would happen of bertie froome or quintana tested positive for coke once never mind 3 times?
    As Rick says - Boonen. Gibo Simoni too. If someone tests positive for cocaine it's almost certain they've taken it recreationally. It's a relatively lousy performance enhancer and easily detectable. Therefore, in my opinion, it should be treated as such and not as a doping offence. Give the guy support not alienation.
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  • mm1
    mm1 Posts: 1,063
    davidof wrote:
    mm1 wrote:
    Rough Ride film

    I just googled for that but the results didn't involve cycling! :shock:

    Sorry, :oops:

    Google the Irish Independent on their site you will find lots of stuff about Kimmage and the film which was shown on RTE on Monday. The specific refrence to tennis I saw (or at least thought I saw) seems to have vanished, though if you search Kimmage and tennis, you will turn up some interesting stuff...including the tennis equivalent of the clinic.
  • wombly_knees
    wombly_knees Posts: 657
    RichN95 wrote:
    mulletmaster wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mulletmaster wrote:
    Not to mention Dustin Johnston being put on 6 months gardening leave by the uspga for what is almost certainly his THIRD positive test while being allowed to describe it as a break for 'personal reasons'
    To be fair to them he's not doping, he's got a cocaine addiction.
    Genuinely, what would happen of bertie froome or quintana tested positive for coke once never mind 3 times?
    As Rick says - Boonen. Gibo Simoni too. If someone tests positive for cocaine it's almost certain they've taken it recreationally. It's a relatively lousy performance enhancer and easily detectable. Therefore, in my opinion, it should be treated as such and not as a doping offence. Give the guy support not alienation.
    Pretty much what Matt Every, who was suspended for marijuana use, has said. Treating PEDs differently to recreational drugs.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655
    wombly knees wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mulletmaster wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mulletmaster wrote:
    Not to mention Dustin Johnston being put on 6 months gardening leave by the uspga for what is almost certainly his THIRD positive test while being allowed to describe it as a break for 'personal reasons'
    To be fair to them he's not doping, he's got a cocaine addiction.
    Genuinely, what would happen of bertie froome or quintana tested positive for coke once never mind 3 times?
    As Rick says - Boonen. Gibo Simoni too. If someone tests positive for cocaine it's almost certain they've taken it recreationally. It's a relatively lousy performance enhancer and easily detectable. Therefore, in my opinion, it should be treated as such and not as a doping offence. Give the guy support not alienation.
    Pretty much what Matt Every, who was suspended for marijuana use, has said. Treating PEDs differently to recreational drugs.

    I've never understood why recreational and performance enhancing drugs are lumped together in testing athletes. There's no valid reason for testing athletes for recreational drugs, whatever you think of them on a moral level. It's just a moral panic over anything labelled "drugs". An athlete can go to Holland, or various states in America, legally ingest marijuana (a non performance enhancing drug) and lose his career. Would we accept testing for alcohol if WADA had been set up in the Middle East? We might as well suspend riders if they've got too many points on their driving licence, or get a fine for late payment of taxes (might not be much of a peloton left though).
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  • wombly_knees
    wombly_knees Posts: 657
    That has already happened in cycling, rider XZTT likely snorted some shit and tested positive in the Tour of Taihu in October 2010, although twas below the threshold.

    A cock up by the UCI with regards to notifying him about the test (took 4 months) and him signing a contract with a clause consisting of a 150k penalty in case of a doping violation. That suspension ended his career. The name was never made public but isn't too difficult to ascertain who the rider was with the facts available.
  • markwb79
    markwb79 Posts: 937
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    wombly knees wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mulletmaster wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mulletmaster wrote:
    Not to mention Dustin Johnston being put on 6 months gardening leave by the uspga for what is almost certainly his THIRD positive test while being allowed to describe it as a break for 'personal reasons'
    To be fair to them he's not doping, he's got a cocaine addiction.
    Genuinely, what would happen of bertie froome or quintana tested positive for coke once never mind 3 times?
    As Rick says - Boonen. Gibo Simoni too. If someone tests positive for cocaine it's almost certain they've taken it recreationally. It's a relatively lousy performance enhancer and easily detectable. Therefore, in my opinion, it should be treated as such and not as a doping offence. Give the guy support not alienation.
    Pretty much what Matt Every, who was suspended for marijuana use, has said. Treating PEDs differently to recreational drugs.

    I've never understood why recreational and performance enhancing drugs are lumped together in testing athletes. There's no valid reason for testing athletes for recreational drugs, whatever you think of them on a moral level. It's just a moral panic over anything labelled "drugs". An athlete can go to Holland, or various states in America, legally ingest marijuana (a non performance enhancing drug) and lose his career. Would we accept testing for alcohol if WADA had been set up in the Middle East? We might as well suspend riders if they've got too many points on their driving licence, or get a fine for late payment of taxes (might not be much of a peloton left though).


    I sort of agree. But if coke is used as a way to relax and you are more efficient at relaxing and then you can train more? Is that not helping you in some way?
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    UKADA getting tough with its first ever life ban from all sports for a Welsh man who was dealing in steroids. He wasn't actively involved in sport as a competitor or coach but UKADA felt he was so heavily involved with his 5 kids and their boxing that he came under their jurisdiction. His daughter has got a 4 year ban and a rugby player who was also involved got an 8 year ban. He'd previously admitted guilt in a criminal case.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-28641672
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    Markwb79 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    wombly knees wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mulletmaster wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mulletmaster wrote:
    Not to mention Dustin Johnston being put on 6 months gardening leave by the uspga for what is almost certainly his THIRD positive test while being allowed to describe it as a break for 'personal reasons'
    To be fair to them he's not doping, he's got a cocaine addiction.
    Genuinely, what would happen of bertie froome or quintana tested positive for coke once never mind 3 times?
    As Rick says - Boonen. Gibo Simoni too. If someone tests positive for cocaine it's almost certain they've taken it recreationally. It's a relatively lousy performance enhancer and easily detectable. Therefore, in my opinion, it should be treated as such and not as a doping offence. Give the guy support not alienation.
    Pretty much what Matt Every, who was suspended for marijuana use, has said. Treating PEDs differently to recreational drugs.

    I've never understood why recreational and performance enhancing drugs are lumped together in testing athletes. There's no valid reason for testing athletes for recreational drugs, whatever you think of them on a moral level. It's just a moral panic over anything labelled "drugs". An athlete can go to Holland, or various states in America, legally ingest marijuana (a non performance enhancing drug) and lose his career. Would we accept testing for alcohol if WADA had been set up in the Middle East? We might as well suspend riders if they've got too many points on their driving licence, or get a fine for late payment of taxes (might not be much of a peloton left though).


    I sort of agree. But if coke is used as a way to relax and you are more efficient at relaxing and then you can train more? Is that not helping you in some way?

    If you want to "relax"", I doubt that coke is the drug of choice: I met one regular user who used the stuff for such purposes, but he had been the manager of The Happy Mondays and the Hacienda...
    If you're not addicted to it (as it sounded like Gavazzi might have been - or still is), then the likelihood is that you'll be taking it on the occasional binge/"Big Night" (Boonen and much of the Premiership?)- in which case, training and performance will be off the agenda until after the hangover.

    My suspicion is that the classification of cocaine as a banned substance comes from a myopic stance that it could, in a very particular set of controlled conditions - or in a RR sprint after a long race - possibly aid performance. But so could alcohol, caffeine, paracetamol, aspirin, creatine... And the risks involved in both acquiring the stuff in the first place and then administering it would surely have any potential user (in a sporting context) consider other substances?
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    Markwb79 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    wombly knees wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mulletmaster wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mulletmaster wrote:
    Not to mention Dustin Johnston being put on 6 months gardening leave by the uspga for what is almost certainly his THIRD positive test while being allowed to describe it as a break for 'personal reasons'
    To be fair to them he's not doping, he's got a cocaine addiction.
    Genuinely, what would happen of bertie froome or quintana tested positive for coke once never mind 3 times?
    As Rick says - Boonen. Gibo Simoni too. If someone tests positive for cocaine it's almost certain they've taken it recreationally. It's a relatively lousy performance enhancer and easily detectable. Therefore, in my opinion, it should be treated as such and not as a doping offence. Give the guy support not alienation.
    Pretty much what Matt Every, who was suspended for marijuana use, has said. Treating PEDs differently to recreational drugs.

    I've never understood why recreational and performance enhancing drugs are lumped together in testing athletes. There's no valid reason for testing athletes for recreational drugs, whatever you think of them on a moral level. It's just a moral panic over anything labelled "drugs". An athlete can go to Holland, or various states in America, legally ingest marijuana (a non performance enhancing drug) and lose his career. Would we accept testing for alcohol if WADA had been set up in the Middle East? We might as well suspend riders if they've got too many points on their driving licence, or get a fine for late payment of taxes (might not be much of a peloton left though).


    I sort of agree. But if coke is used as a way to relax and you are more efficient at relaxing and then you can train more? Is that not helping you in some way?

    If you want to "relax"", I doubt that coke is the drug of choice: I met one regular user who used the stuff for such purposes, but he had been the manager of The Happy Mondays and the Hacienda...
    If you're not addicted to it (as it sounded like Gavazzi might have been - or still is), then the likelihood is that you'll be taking it on the occasional binge/"Big Night" (Boonen and much of the Premiership?)- in which case, training and performance will be off the agenda until after the hangover.

    My suspicion is that the classification of cocaine as a banned substance comes from a myopic stance that it could, in a very particular set of controlled conditions - or in a RR sprint after a long race - possibly aid performance. But so could alcohol, caffeine, paracetamol, aspirin, creatine... And the risks involved in both acquiring the stuff in the first place and then administering it would surely have any potential user (in a sporting context) consider other substances?

    More worryingly, I like to relax with a beer. I doubt it would be a popular move to put alcohol on the PED list though.
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  • bikes`n`guns
    bikes`n`guns Posts: 959
    Bikes`n`guns wrote:
    sjmclean wrote:
    Now two athletes at the CWG failed drugs test.

    A few of the Scottish boxers will fail them tomorrow morning.

    Why would that be then ?
    Trek,,,, too cool for school ,, apparently
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/aug/07/wigan-warriors-forward-rhys-pugsley-two-year-ban-steroid-use
    Wigan General Manager Kris Radlinski wrote:
    Pugsley had admitted taking anabolic steroids on one occasion

    arf

    I know a few guys who play Union here in South Wales, admittedly at a low level, but apparently it's awash with 'Growth' and 'Roids'

    This is interesting though:
    Wigan General Manager Kris Radlinski wrote:
    The club will support him, as allowed, through this difficult time and is in the process of constructing a rehabilitation programme to take effect after the recommended period of remorse, reflection and full awareness

    Can you imagine a cycling team pulling that one out?
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Salsiccia1 wrote:

    I know a few guys who play Union here in South Wales, admittedly at a low level, but apparently it's awash with 'Growth' and 'Roids'
    There's just loads of roiders in South Wales. Rugby or no rugby. It's a valleys stereotype.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Yep, the testers are quite often at the games I watch. It seems to usually be a tip off and some clubs have ended up with a large part of their team banned in the past.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
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    Currently doing the rounds in the usual places.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    What seems to have passed people by is that it's possible to build muscle without drugs. Especially if it's your job. It's really not that difficult.
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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    TailWindHome wrote:
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    Currently doing the rounds in the usual places.

    Before casting judgement how about a before pic that shows his bare arms and legs... how else can one compare?

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