Drugs in other sports and the media.
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dish_dash wrote:TailWindHome wrote:
Currently doing the rounds in the usual places.
Before casting judgement how about a before pic that shows his bare arms and legs... how else can one compare?
Not only that - how about not comparing a backlit photo with one in which the subject is both front lit and browner (i.e. the basis for how all bodybuilding competitions are photographed)...
Here's an easy test: minimise both photos so that his left arm in the "former" photo is aligned with his right in the "after" - I don't see much of a size difference.
If you want to continue to state nonsensical and unscientific opinion of these 2 photos as fact, you might also consider that he was apparently happier and less ugly before he took drugs...0 -
TailWindHome wrote:
Currently doing the rounds in the usual places.
Doesn't prove a thing. :roll:0 -
Also, what has he had to do all summer, apart from spend time in the gym?0
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Also, look at how they've made his hair grow! Almost overnight he goes from short back and sides to greased back locks.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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Neanderthal like facial features have always made me doubt sportsmen, particularly ones who are clearly physically superior to their contemporaries."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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TailWindHome wrote:
Good article. I don't follow athletics, so the details were new to me, but the arguments were all too familiar.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
TailWindHome wrote:
Currently doing the rounds in the usual places.
Bale has always had a good physique, even at Tottenham, so I don't really understand the comparison. Extrapolating he's on drugs from two pictures, one of which you can only see his fore arms and head is pretty tenuous.
@madasahattersly: If aerobic activity is not conducive to gaining or maintaining muscle mass, how do heavy weight Olympic rowers manage it then?"A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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ShinyHelmut wrote:
I actually caught some of the tv expose on Das Erste last night.
The video is now on their site but is geo restricted.
Hopefully it will turn up on the tube or suchlike, because it was truly shocking,
There is a pretty concise run down of everything from the show from a Dane over on VR:
http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=798.new#new"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
They are typically big men with big frames.ShockedSoShocked wrote:@madasahattersly: If aerobic activity is not conducive to gaining or maintaining muscle mass, how do heavy weight Olympic rowers manage it then?
This lot don't look particularly heavy on the muscle side to me. Certainly not in relation to their height:
You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
I don't know why anyone is shocked, we all know that it is still going on in every sport, just like it always has.0
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Joelsim wrote:I don't know why anyone is shocked, we all know that it is still going on in every sport, just like it always has.
Not sure what you are saying, here.
Are you suggesting that the UK government runs a nationwide doping programme and a pay for non-positive cover up scheme?"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Not at all, far from it. But some do.0
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It looks like Paul Kimmage has had a look at the goings-on in rugby and is launching a can of whoop-ass in the direction of that sport.
http://balls.ie/rugby/34223-paul-kimmag ... last-word/
It probably won't come as a surprise to anyone that rugby has a drugs problem but what will be truly interesting in the next 12 months will be to see the reaction from the international rugby community. The "silence" that PK speaks of is eerily reminiscent of the silence we remember from a few years ago in our beloved sport. Cycling had to take the big hits to attempt to improve things. Can rugby do the same?
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Well, technically, he read someone else's book and repeated some of it. I don't think he's done anything himself (or ever will).Dolan Driver wrote:It looks like Paul Kimmage has had a look at the goings-on in rugbyTwitter: @RichN950 -
I didn't realise marathon runners had a biological passport system running.Liliya Shobukhova, who won the London Marathon in 2010, is also interviewed in the programme and admits paying the Russian Athletics Federation 450,000 euros (£350,000) to cover up a positive doping test.
She is currently serving a two-year ban after irregularities were detected in her biological passport.
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ShinyHelmut wrote:
Unreal.
They should just ban Russia from all competitions and the athletes should speak out.Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:ShinyHelmut wrote:
Unreal.
They should just ban Russia from all competitions and the athletes should speak out.
And the Kazaks, and the Turks
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It would seem that most of people who are against drugs in sport are the people who only watch sports and don't participate in them. Plus a whole bunch of weekend warriors. I really doubt that elite / pro sports, the teams, leagues, governing bodies, and most of the athletes don't give a crap who uses and who doesn't(if anyone). They all say they are against it but that seems to be more of a good publicity gimmick than anything real.
If the athletes themselves don't seem to care then so be it. If you're against drugs in sport then you have two choices. Don't do the drugs and try and make it big clean. If you can't make it big clean then choose another of the millions of other jobs out there and quit whining(or do the drugs).
To be honest, I'd be willing to bet that the dopers don't give a damn what you or I think, and rightly so. It's their life, not your's.0 -
Where do you stand on the issue Dennis?
If you were an athlete with world class talent, would you dope & win a lot? Or would you be average clean?
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Well said Rick. If you read the accounts of ex dopers most of them made the decision because they had to, and often it completely killed their love for winning amongst other things. Need doesn't always equal want. And then think of the side effects, women tuning into men, young guys losing their lives etc etc.0
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Joelsim wrote:Well said Rick. If you read the accounts of ex dopers most of them made the decision because they had to, and often it completely killed their love for winning amongst other things. Need doesn't always equal want. And then think of the side effects, women tuning into men, young guys losing their lives etc etc.
I'll stick with what I said. It's NOT your life. It's theirs to do with as they see fit. That can be smart or stupid and they may pay a terrible cost for their decisions but they, not you, must live with that. As far as your comment about "...they had to...". No one had a gun put to their head to do this. They ALL had and have a choice to make. And that choice is not about or does not have anything to do with you and what you want or how you feel about it all.0 -
dennisn wrote:Joelsim wrote:Well said Rick. If you read the accounts of ex dopers most of them made the decision because they had to, and often it completely killed their love for winning amongst other things. Need doesn't always equal want. And then think of the side effects, women tuning into men, young guys losing their lives etc etc.
I'll stick with what I said. It's NOT your life. It's theirs to do with as they see fit. That can be smart or stupid and they may pay a terrible cost for their decisions but they, not you, must live with that. As far as your comment about "...they had to...". No one had a gun put to their head to do this. They ALL had and have a choice to make. And that choice is not about or does not have anything to do with you and what you want or how you feel about it all.
Use your intelligence mate. It's a career choice not a decision whether you pop into Starbucks to get a coffee.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Where do you stand on the issue Dennis?
If you were an athlete with world class talent, would you dope & win a lot? Or would you be average clean?
Hard question to answer. I did drugs as a young adult, although more recreational than performance enhancing.
I'm thinking I may have but never was all that involved in sports for anything other than fun and staying in shape, so it's sort of a moot point for me. Being a pro athlete never really occurred to me, except maybe as a teenager when I had visions of pro bodybuilding. So, I don't really know if I would or wouldn't have, but I lean toward, given the opportunity, I might have. Ya know, young, stupid, etc.0 -
You've answered then. Yes you would, like pretty much everyone would in the circumstances. I'm not anti drugs, more than happy to partake, but I wouldn't like to have to to do my job.0
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dennisn wrote:It's their life, not your's.
But it's not solely THEIR sport, is it? They are only participants in the sport and any given sport, be it cycling or any other, belongs to no-one. Each individual sport belongs as much to the fans and supporters on the road side or sideline as it does to the participants and therefore anyone taking drugs for enhanced performance is damaging said sport, which is something no doper has the God-given right to do.
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Dolan Driver wrote:dennisn wrote:It's their life, not your's.
But it's not solely THEIR sport, is it? They are only participants in the sport and any given sport, be it cycling or any other, belongs to no-one. Each individual sport belongs as much to the fans and supporters on the road side or sideline as it does to the participants and therefore anyone taking drugs for enhanced performance is damaging said sport, which is something no doper has the God-given right to do.
DD.
Who said anything about a "..god given right...". People who use performance enhancing drugs or cheat in some way aren't asking God for permission. Nor are they asking you or I for permission. On top of it all they are not asking whether they have the right to do it. They are doing it of their own volition to further their own aspirations and desires. It's nothing to do with God, you, or anyone else for that matter. It's all about them. As for damaging "...said sport...", I'm sure most of them love said sport and don't want to or think that they will hurt it. However, THAT concern is pushed way into the cheap seats(so to speak) when it comes to money, fame, winning, etc.0 -
Dennis, apologies if I have misinterpreted what it is you were saying with the line "It's their life, not yours." (I probably have.)
When you read that line, it implies perhaps that the athlete is free to do what they like with their body and that freedom includes the decision to dope. Yes, they are free to pretty much do what they like with themselves but that doesn't include taking PEDs because that obviously impacts negatively on their sport, whether they are busted or not.
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Dolan Driver wrote:Dennis, apologies if I have misinterpreted what it is you were saying with the line "It's their life, not yours." (I probably have.)
When you read that line, it implies perhaps that the athlete is free to do what they like with their body and that freedom includes the decision to dope. Yes, they are free to pretty much do what they like with themselves but that doesn't include taking PEDs because that obviously impacts negatively on their sport, whether they are busted or not.
DD.
I still say they may do as they choose. These people KNOW that it negatively impacts their sport yet they do it anyway. It's not about a sport, it's about money and fame. You may not think they have the right to do this but they don't care what you think or want. They are looking at the money. And while both of you may love the sport they want to be on top and will do whatever it takes, right or wrong. That's the difference between you and them, they will do whatever it takes(key word "whatever").0
