Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Mad_Malx wrote:^I'm quite pleased if that is now the general US perception, because my assumption (based on a very small sample and too much time on forums) was that it was all sour grapes, and it is still the majority view that the charity work makes the transgressions irrelevant and the persecution vindictive.
My slightly larger non-cycling UK sample who had heard of Lance were very shocked. The only things about cycling that 95% of the UK public knew pre-Wiggo tdf were Chris Hoy and LA's good works and miracle cure.
Here in the States it seems that once the media gets the "dirt" on you it's pretty unrelenting until the public is so burned out with hearing about it that they quit listening. Then the media moves on to the next big thing. By the time Oprah rolled out her probing interview I think people were sick of hearing about it and had moved on. Most American's knew who Lance was, the TDF's he had won, the cancer thing. Ya know, they knew about him "casually", if you will. When the doping came out people listened until they had their fill and moved on. Much like this or that baseball player or football player.
We all know how cyclist's have reacted to the LA thing, but I don't believe that Joe Public is overly concerned one way or another. People aren't all that stupid. They hear things, watch the news, and ingest what strikes their interest or fancy. LA was interesting, to a point, because he was an American, but Joe Public has a limited tolerance and soon enough too much becomes too much. TV off.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:These track athletes are so dirty yet the UK public hold them up on pedestals. If only they knew.
Its hardly out of the public domain.
Seb Coe's Dad that admitted they used blood doping when Seb was competing. Junior goes on to run London 2012 and the British public chose to turn a blind eye to his training methods as it meant we got a party and a load of tourists.0 -
Ah the Jeff Atkinson allegations about Coe; didn't know that Peter Coe had admitted anything, but wasn't transfusion still legal at the time? Anyway, quite looking forward to watching Coe squirm on tv. The timing is perfect for his bid to run the IAAF.0
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Pure hearsay, but a friend from college (many years ago now) was an international level athlete that competed for Britain in a World Athletics Championships. He said that Seb Coe was widely known in high level athletics circles as having been the most prolific doper in UK athletics history. He also said that the athlete villages are just one massive orgy, but that is a different story!0
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squired wrote:He also said that the athlete villages are just one massive orgy, but that is a different story!
For a short period 20ish years ago I was in a relationship with an Olympian and Commonwealth medal winner in a particular sport and the volume of contraceptives she possessed was quite alarming (for just this reason it turned out)Coach H. (Dont ask me for training advice - 'It's not about the bike')0 -
squired wrote:He said that Seb Coe was widely known in high level athletics circles as having been the most prolific doper in UK athletics history.
As hardcore Steve Ovett fan in the late 70s / early 80s, I am quite happy to believe that Coe was a doper. When the true history books are written, Ovett may be seen as the 800/1500 double winner from Moscow (as Straub has already been outed via the Stasi files).
That said, does anyone have any insight as to what Coe was on and when he started? He was already a sub 1:44 800m runner in 1978 (aged 21) and his first world record in 1979 was 1:42.4 for the 800m, which still stands comparison with anything seen in the last 35 years. I know Old Man Coe was a reasonably well to do businessman, but it seems unlikely that the Coes would have had the means to get into a hardcore regime before Coe Jnr hit the big time in 1979 by which time he only had 0.7s of improvement on the 800m left to achieve.
I know that in the peak years of Coe/Ovett rivalry, some members of the press took their support for their favoured man very seriously. I'd heard that a pro-Coe guy hired a certified course measurer to measure the Rieti track where Ovett broke the 1500m WR in 1983, as he didn't believe the post-injury Ovett could be that much better than Coe was at the time. Needless to say, the track was the right length! I'd also heard that some pretty deep digging has been done on Coe's past by a pro-Ovett journalist, again with no substantive results. Coe was also a Tory MP for 5 years then William Hague's bagman for a few years, which left him very exposed to tabloids digging up dirt, and those guys can find pretty much anything, even if it's not there.
So on balance, through gritted teeth, I give Coe the benefit of the doubt, smug b*stard that he is.
Anyway, maybe next time I watch the Moscow 1500 on Youtube, Coe will fall flat on his face coming down the home straight and justice will finally be done.
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Wouldn't that be wonderful if they had retrospective testing of Coe's samples.
The guy has made a fortune out of his performances.Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Wouldn't that be wonderful if they had retrospective testing of Coe's samples.
The guy has made a fortune out of his performances.
As do most professional athletes - what a crass comment, but then I can see Coe would be far too British establishment for our republican, new labourite trader. :roll:0 -
What you have to remember that what he is accused of doing wasn't against the rules back then. And before you ask, no I don't like him.0
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According to the lads I know who know Coe, apparently he's a bit of a prick, but Steve Cram is supposedly a top bloke."A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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ShockedSoShocked wrote:According to the lads I know who know Coe, apparently he's a bit of a prick
True story, when he was an undergraduate at Lufbra, Lord Coe turned up at a fancy dress party as a tampon...hilarious!0 -
mm1 wrote:ShockedSoShocked wrote:According to the lads I know who know Coe, apparently he's a bit of a prick
True story, when he was an undergraduate at Lufbra, Lord Coe turned up at a fancy dress party as a tampon...hilarious!
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The GB athlete is a female.
Although there are three on this graphic:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... -from.html
No surprise about Kenya either. Doping hotbed. Epo in the mountains. Hard to access for testers.Contador is the Greatest0 -
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Leaves in a Rolls Royce on his way to his castle no doubt.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Will be back after the investigation, don't fret.
Was the Treasurer for the IAAF. As someone said...follow the money.0 -
Going back to Paul Kimmage and drugs in rugby, here is a nice, lively interview from Irish radio.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/a ... 24480.html
At least the questions facing rugby haven't been completely swept under the carpet just yet.
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Good one. They need to sort themselves out.Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:The GB athlete is a female.
Although there are three on this graphic:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... -from.html
No surprise about Kenya either. Doping hotbed. Epo in the mountains. Hard to access for testers.
All from Devon like someone else we know by the looks of that map
Looks like a woman with a shortish first name and a longish surname. think i know where my money would be."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
This is interesting, and fair comment I think;
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/12/iaa ... 2006-2008/0 -
If the Saudi was female it would be quite easy0
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gsk82 wrote:frenchfighter wrote:The GB athlete is a female.
Although there are three on this graphic:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... -from.html
No surprise about Kenya either. Doping hotbed. Epo in the mountains. Hard to access for testers.
All from Devon like someone else we know by the looks of that map
Looks like a woman with a shortish first name and a longish surname. think i know where my money would be.
Who?0 -
Might it be a 400m runner?0
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andyp wrote:This is interesting, and fair comment I think;
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/12/iaa ... 2006-2008/
Good read. As usual good to see the other side of the story. Glad he shares my sentiments about these individuals that leak to the press.Contador is the Greatest0 -
This list reminds me of the UCI suspicion list which was leaked a couple of years ago; no one really knows what it all means but it keeps Internet fora busy and lots of people can use it to reaffirm their existing suspicions.0
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The ARD programme that ran the expose is now available,with the bonus of English subtitles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... 1YlKaN3cPs"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:The ARD programme that ran the expose is now available,with the bonus of English subtitles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... 1YlKaN3cPs
Crazy.0 -
In case not mentioned, son of IAAF president, Lamine Diack, asked for $5m from the Qataris when they were bidding for the 2017 world champs.
Dr Gabriel Dolle, director of medical and anti-doping dept at IAAF, left his post after an interview by the ethics commission.
-Guardian.Contador is the Greatest0
