Drugs in other sports and the media.
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I'm incredibly sceptical of Mo Farah, but he seems like a nice bloke, so whatever.0
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Lot of Poets that I may never read again now.0
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I wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the "if it's not illegal....." thread
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/schoolsports/10768840/Doctors-warn-of-dangers-of-creatine-use-by-schoolboy-rugby-players.html0 -
ShinyHelmut wrote:I wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the "if it's not illegal....." thread
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/schoolsports/10768840/Doctors-warn-of-dangers-of-creatine-use-by-schoolboy-rugby-players.html
Arsenal used creatine in the early Wenger years, until he decided that it was doing more harm than good (increasing impact damage and strain on ligaments etc). Our current injury crisis has been blamed (by some in the club) on players taking dietary supplements on the side.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
About a decade ago a friend of mine was in the Wales hockey squad and used to get given the stuff (and other supplements). And he kept asking for loads of it but never got any fitter and they couldn't work out why not. He was actually selling it to some gym bunnies at work and spending it on beer and fags.No tA Doctor wrote:ShinyHelmut wrote:I wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the "if it's not illegal....." thread
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/schoolsports/10768840/Doctors-warn-of-dangers-of-creatine-use-by-schoolboy-rugby-players.html
Arsenal used creatine in the early Wenger years, until he decided that it was doing more harm than good (increasing impact damage and strain on ligaments etc). Our current injury crisis has been blamed (by some in the club) on players taking dietary supplements on the side.Twitter: @RichN950 -
One of the biggest names in womens marathon, Liliya Shobukhova, just been done for BP anomalies.
3 x Chicago Marathon winner, London Marathon winner 2010 and runner-up 2011, 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 World Marathon Majors crowns...
In a sport where women have the same profile as men, that's the equivalent to a multiple GT winner getting done.
Huge.
Seems it was a long time coming, according to comments from peeps in the sport.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:One of the biggest names in womens marathon, Liliya Shobukhova, just been done for BP anomalies.
3 x Chicago Marathon winner, London Marathon winner 2010 and runner-up 2011, 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 World Marathon Majors crowns...
In a sport where women have the same profile as men, that's the equivalent to a multiple GT winner getting done.
Huge.
Seems it was a long time coming, according to comments from peeps in the sport.
2nd fastest runner of all time, and still almost three minutes slower than Paula Radcliffe. But we all know that times are not comparable, and nothing should be inferred from that at all.0 -
Back when Radcliffe was running that time the women used to run alongside the men which meant they could get paced by them (either intentionally or not). That doesn't happen any more. As records go it's a bit like Boardman's hour record.TheBigBean wrote:2nd fastest runner of all time, and still almost three minutes slower than Paula Radcliffe. But we all know that times are not comparable, and nothing should be inferred from that at all.Twitter: @RichN950 -
That's not really comparable. The hour record for a recumbent bike is nearly double that of the UCI hour record which shows that there is a more than little to be gained from an aerodynamic position. I'm not convinced that pace making saves 3 mins.0
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I meant it was similar in that rules changes take away previous benefits. Boardman's position is now banned, as is male pacing of female marathon runners.TheBigBean wrote:That's not really comparable. The hour record for a recumbent bike is nearly double that of the UCI hour record which shows that there is a more than little to be gained from an aerodynamic position. I'm not convinced that pace making saves 3 mins.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Again this could equally fit in the "if it's not illegal is it still cheating" thread;
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/article4076306.ece
It's behind the usual Times paywall I'm afraid, unless you know someone....0 -
^^^ so a shiny English pound and I can read this.0
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Read a piece in The Guardian this morning about Tyson Gay getting his ban reduced for cooperating with USADA but Asafa Powell copping a full (and now longer) ban for inadvertently taking a supplement.
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I'm really not sure if this is real or not but - http://nationalreport.net/netherlands-c ... g-scandal/
SERIOUSLY?!?!? :shock: :shock:We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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ddraver wrote:I'm really not sure if this is real or not but - http://nationalreport.net/netherlands-c ... g-scandal/
SERIOUSLY?!?!? :shock: :shock:
Hoax.
Check out the articles listed below.0 -
I never knew that Sean Penn was Venezuela's new President.0
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ddraver wrote:I'm really not sure if this is real or not but - http://nationalreport.net/netherlands-c ... g-scandal/
SERIOUSLY?!?!? :shock: :shock:
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RichN95 wrote:With a story like that always check to see if any other news sources are mentioning it. If no-one is repeating it then it's probably nonsense.
The bit that really gave it away was the line that they'd tested EVERY player taking part in the world cup on Friday.
Personally I'd be surprised if they tested more than a handful throughout the tournament....Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:RichN95 wrote:With a story like that always check to see if any other news sources are mentioning it. If no-one is repeating it then it's probably nonsense.
The bit that really gave it away was the line that they'd tested EVERY player taking part in the world cup on Friday.
Personally I'd be surprised if they tested more than a handful throughout the tournament....
2 randomly selected per team for each match.
There was some outcry that Costa Rica were being unfairly targeted when they had 7 get tested after beating Italy, but apparently 5 of them hadn't been tested pre-competition in the first place.
We all know nobody is really likely to be stupid enough to get popped on a match day even if they were on something though.0 -
Give me more wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:RichN95 wrote:With a story like that always check to see if any other news sources are mentioning it. If no-one is repeating it then it's probably nonsense.
The bit that really gave it away was the line that they'd tested EVERY player taking part in the world cup on Friday.
Personally I'd be surprised if they tested more than a handful throughout the tournament....
2 randomly selected per team for each match.
There was some outcry that Costa Rica were being unfairly targeted when they had 7 get tested after beating Italy, but apparently 5 of them hadn't been tested pre-competition in the first place.
We all know nobody is really likely to be stupid enough to get popped on a match day even if they were on something though.
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TheBigBean wrote:That's not really comparable. The hour record for a recumbent bike is nearly double that of the UCI hour record which shows that there is a more than little to be gained from an aerodynamic position. I'm not convinced that pace making saves 3 mins.
She also holds the unpaced record (third fastest of all time) about 2 minutes slower than her paced record on the same course.0 -
Being paced in a marathon actually makes a massive difference. As well as being hard on the body running a marathon is psychologically very tough. Having runners around you pacing and talking you through it helps no end. If you see Paula's record she had quite a few men running with her until the closing stages where she still had one runner with her right to the line (who looks like he's jogging in comparison!). They do also provide some shelter.
Now if you are a dominant female marathon runner it becomes a pretty lonely task from about half way after you've burnt off any female pacers and competitors. The other thing that makes marathon record breaking quite difficult are the course and the conditions. There might only be one or two runners capable of getting close in a season, and they will only race 2-3 marathons a year as a maximum. If there are adverse conditions in any of those attempts then you are stuffed.0 -
ddraver wrote:So the Spanish Football team crashed and burned
Rafa Nadal has just been ousted by an Aussie Teenage wildcard
Link?
(answer - no, just super excited by the tennis. A rarity to me)
No, I don't think so (speaking as a cynic...)0 -
ddraver wrote:So the Spanish Football team crashed and burned
Rafa Nadal has just been ousted by an Aussie Teenage wildcard
Link?
(answer - no, just super excited by the tennis. A rarity to me)
No, I don't think so (speaking as a cynic...)0 -
Drugs are bad MNKay.Note to self: Never ride a motorcycle in stilettos and a miniskirt.0
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Here is an excerpt from an article written by Paul Kimmage and published on Sunday in the Sunday Independent. It pretty much mirrors the content from the first page of this thread. So many people in other sports choose to view all sports with very selective blinkers.
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" A few weeks ago, while conducting some research for an interview, I was sent a clip with Richard Sadlier and a recent appearance he made on Second Captains Live. The debate was doping in sport. Eoin McDevitt and Ciarán Murphy were the hosts; Sadlier, Brian Carney and Derval O'Rourke were the guests and after some general points about the inefficiency of testing, McDevitt asked Carney if he ever doubted his eyes when he was watching sport.
"Well, I think we like to give people the benefit of the doubt," Carney replied. "I don't think there's doping - and Derval is better placed than me to speak about athletics - but certainly in rugby league and rugby union, doping is not rampant or a blanket problem."
"I don't think it's rampant in athletics," O'Rourke replied. "I think it happens."
But it took an interjection from Ciarán Murphy to spark the debate.
Murphy: "But if you take the (men's) 100 metre final in London in 2012; there's four of the eight that started that day have had drugs bans, either before or since the Olympics."
Carney: "Twenty-five years ago in the Seoul Olympics . . . There was only one guy who hasn't tested positive in that (final). So we should know this is coming."
O'Rourke: "But I think you have to have room for the freaks of nature. I think Bolt is clean. I just think he's a freak. When he was 15 years old running in Jamaica, he was running 19 seconds (for the 200m). It's incredible. So I think you have to watch it, and you have to have room for that magic."
Murphy: "That kind of strikes to the core of it doesn't it, as a sports fan?"
O'Rourke: "Yeah."
Carney: "I bought Lance Armstrong's two books, I want my money back."
O'Rourke: "I only put them in a charity bag today."
Carney: "I wouldn't give them to charity. It's an insult to charity. I read his piece where he said he went up the hill with his team in the rain; it took them five hours and he stopped and said, 'That's not good enough,' and they did it again. That inspired me. I thought: 'I'm suffering on the pitch but he's doing that.'"
McDevitt: "So you felt let down by him?"
Carney: "I felt cheated. I want my fifteen quid back for the book."
At first, Sadlier seemed content to nod and listen as the opinions flew back and forth. But he had seen something that no one else had seen and was just waiting for McDevitt to ask: "Richie, do you still believe in the really miraculous things that you see from time to time?"
"No," he exhaled after a beautifully weighted pause. "I mean the figures you just mentioned there from the Seoul games and 50 per cent from the last one (London), you'd have to be a little bit cynical. I think even in football now - and I can obviously name teams or players - but there is no way in the world professional football is clean of this.
"The money is there; the expertise is there and for you to put forward an argument to say professional football is clean, you would have to say, 'Well, there's something inherently decent about the people in professional football that is absent from other sports.' And no one in the world thinks that there's inherent decency in professional football."
I thought of Richie's comments quite a lot last week when live pictures of a doctor I hadn't seen since my last year as a pro cyclist in 1989, were zoomed into my living room from the World Cup in Brazil. He's not alone. In 2001, Paul Howard wrote a brilliant piece in the Sunday Tribune about the doping scandal at Juventus and migration of sports doctors from athletics to football, a trend that has continued.
Four years ago, Stefan Matshiner - a former Austrian track athlete - was sentenced to a 15-month jail term for enabling athletes and cyclists to dope. He had also worked with footballers. "Doping is as much a problem in football as it is in tennis, athletics, swimming and cycling," he said. "It's part of daily life. I've worked with footballers. They use testosterone, EPO, ephedrine and stimulants."
But has there been one conversation about doping on radio or TV or in print, since the start of this World Cup?
Two weeks ago, at a friend's wedding in Wicklow, I bumped into a former tennis player who would have spent the whole night talking about doping in cycling. But when I suggested his sport was possibly as bad he didn't want to know. There was nothing I could say . . . The ITF's indifference to testing; The top players' miraculous recovery rates; The cover-up of Andre Agassi's positive for methamphetamine in 1997; The association of Luis Del Moral - the Valencia-based doctor who had worked with Armstrong - with the sport; . . . to convince him.
And can you blame him? We've had wall-to-wall coverage of Wimbledon for two weeks now, and some curious games, but not once has the issue of doping been raised. Is there something inherently decent about tennis players?
And what of rugby? In his autobiography, Joking Apart, Donncha O'Callaghan tells an interesting story about the preparation for the second Lions Test in New Zealand in 2005.
"In the build-up to the match they gave us a dietary supplement called Focus. For consumption you added a bit of water. It had the texture of paste and it tasted horrible but I never got such a buzz from anything in my life. There were no labels on the pot and they wouldn't tell us what was in it. I've no doubt it was full of caffeine and taurine, a key ingredient in Red Bull . . . In the first Test Paulie pole-vaulted over one ruck early in the match in a crazy manoeuvre and I've no doubt he was acting under the influence of Focus."
If O'Callaghan was a cyclist, there would be an inquisition . . .
What exactly is Focus?
Are these 'stimulants' the norm?
What about the ritual abuse of painkillers? Is that not doping?
In rugby, they seem happy to carry on. And what of golf? Two weeks ago, on his return to competition after a back injury that required surgery, Tiger Woods was asked by Karen Crouse of The New York Times about the new sponsor on his golf bag. 'MusclePharm,' a dietary supplement company based in Denver, has been cited in the past for unauthorised use of certification marks.
"Would the MP on his bag make Woods a target for random testing on the PGA Tour?" But the former world No 1 just laughed. "I haven't been tested all year," he said.
Sunday Indo Sport
Kimmage might not be very popular but he still writes some good stuff and he is spot on with this article. If I were Froome, or whoever in the yellow jersey, I'd point the assembled press hacks to this piece when they start their annual crucifixion of cycling.
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