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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    This could blow some doors off if the Russkies don't stab him with an umbrella first. Bertie must be worried.

    http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/12/ard-a ... -contador/
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Worried about what? Old news and nothing of importance.

    The guy is also a journalist. Its his job.

    Lets see what these Russian allegations come to. Lets hope they ban Russia from the Olympics although I am sure there are non Russians in authority on the other side of the bribes.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    More fallout from the Germany tv investigation:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... ntary.html

    150 athletes listed with dodgy blood values.
    1 "star" Uk female.
    They know who it is, but can't tell.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    More fallout from the Germany tv investigation:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... ntary.html

    150 athletes listed with dodgy blood values.
    1 "star" Uk female.
    They know who it is, but can't tell.

    Given the reaction to Christine Ohurugu by UK Athletics, I'm hardly surprised...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    These track athletes are so dirty yet the UK public hold them up on pedestals. If only they knew.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    frenchfighter wrote:
    These track athletes are so dirty yet the UK public hold them up on pedestals. If only they knew.

    Come on then, tell us what you know. And I mean know, not what you suspect.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Other than the hundred of positives and incompetence of the UCI?
    Contador is the Greatest
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Other than the hundred of positives and incompetence of the UCI?

    But when they go after someone *they're* the ones in the wrong?
    Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    What does the UCI have to do with track athletes?
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Other than the hundred of positives and incompetence of the UCI?

    edit: not the UCI but those in charge of nabbing the Olympic dopers.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Other than the hundred of positives and incompetence of the IIAF [I think this is who you meant - Salsiccia]?

    Sorry, I thought you were talking about British athletes.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    I could make a wild guess but that would be quorny and the wrong sex.

    Athletics has the same problems as every other endurance sport. At least in cycling they are trying to catch it which is more than can be said for some sports. Not there yet though, in my opinion far from it.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    frenchfighter wrote:
    These track athletes are so dirty yet the UK public hold them up on pedestals. If only they knew.

    I doubt that the "UK public" is as stupid as you think. "If only they knew"? No, they know. It's not about knowing,
    it's that the majority don't care. They want their sports and if drug usage rears its ugly head once in a while(or lots for that matter) it's pretty much just shrugged off as part of the game. Take cycling for instance. Bunches and bunches of drug issue's and yet still massive crowds at most events. You may know and care but everyone is not you.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Most Brits trust their sportspeople dennisn. Rightly or wrongly we have always been proud of being the last to succumb, example diving in football was treated as being a foreign problem and still is in some parts. If Mo or Jess were found positive there would be massive disappointment from the UK public. Doping is done by foreigners, East Germans, Russkies, Americans, Italians, Spaniards, not us. Naive, but that is the majority feeling.

    There are loads of Brits on this forum who think that cycling doesn't have a problem any more...
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Joelsim wrote:
    There are loads of Brits on this forum who think that cycling doesn't have a problem any more...

    Gotta take exception to your last sentence. In a way it sort of depends on you interpretation of "problem". Still it would seem to me that "...loads of Brits on this forum..." DO think cycling has a problem. At least once a week there is a new post about this or that cyclist getting busted. Hard to imagine too many people thinking or saying "Oh, no problem here".
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Hmm. Not sure about that. I get pilloried for my beliefs from many on here. I'm some sort of freak who knows nothing. Despite the evidence to the contrary.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,726
    dennisn wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    These track athletes are so dirty yet the UK public hold them up on pedestals. If only they knew.

    I doubt that the "UK public" is as stupid as you think. "If only they knew"? No, they know. It's not about knowing,
    it's that the majority don't care. They want their sports and if drug usage rears its ugly head once in a while(or lots for that matter) it's pretty much just shrugged off as part of the game. Take cycling for instance. Bunches and bunches of drug issue's and yet still massive crowds at most events. You may know and care but everyone is not you.

    No, they really are that naive. Doping just isn't on the average man in the street's radar.
    In much the same way that LA's nefarious acts hadn't registered in the collective psyche on the US, until he had his little chat with Oprah.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    Joelsim wrote:
    Hmm. Not sure about that. I get pilloried for my beliefs from many on here. I'm some sort of freak who knows nothing. Despite the evidence to the contrary.
    Oh come on, enough of the "poor little me" act! You get "pilloried" because you consistently take the position that everyone and their dog is doped up to the eyeballs, regardless of how unlikely that is to be true. I'm sure the majority of posters here would readily agree that doping remains a problem in cycling (despite FF's valiant efforts to the contrary where certain riders are concerned :D), but if you want us all to believe 90%+ of riders still dope regularly you need some really spectacular evidence to back that up.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    I personally enjoy being lectured by someone who didn't watch cycling during it's really filthy era about how it's still the same and they're all at it.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    I also like that joelsim can tell who's doping just by how the ride. That's a rare talent.
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    andyp wrote:
    I also like that joelsim can tell who's doping just by how the ride. That's a rare talent.

    You've never been to The Other Place, have you? Dozens of them with that talent there.
    Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Joelsim wrote:
    Hmm. Not sure about that. I get pilloried for my beliefs from many on here. I'm some sort of freak who knows nothing. Despite the evidence to the contrary.

    Welcome to the club. Lots of people on this forum think the same about me. :wink: No big deal, you're allowed to think and post pretty much what you want. It's a forum.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    The_Boy wrote:
    andyp wrote:
    I also like that joelsim can tell who's doping just by how the ride. That's a rare talent.

    You've never been to The Other Place, have you? Dozens of them with that talent there.

    Maybe they're right.

    It's got nothing to do with poor little me, it's just plainly apparent that there are still huge problems.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    These track athletes are so dirty yet the UK public hold them up on pedestals. If only they knew.

    I doubt that the "UK public" is as stupid as you think. "If only they knew"? No, they know. It's not about knowing,
    it's that the majority don't care. They want their sports and if drug usage rears its ugly head once in a while(or lots for that matter) it's pretty much just shrugged off as part of the game. Take cycling for instance. Bunches and bunches of drug issue's and yet still massive crowds at most events. You may know and care but everyone is not you.

    No, they really are that naive. Doping just isn't on the average man in the street's radar.
    In much the same way that LA's nefarious acts hadn't registered in the collective psyche on the US, until he had his little chat with Oprah.

    Not so sure. You're right that "Doping isn't on the average man in the streets radar". However, this "average man" can't avoid hearing about it and have an opinion.

    Also, even before Oprah spoke to LA the whole affair was know by most of the world. Not much new on her show. Although to have her tell it she exposed the whole thing.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    iainf72 wrote:
    I personally enjoy being lectured by someone who didn't watch cycling during it's really filthy era about how it's still the same and they're all at it.

    On the flip side haven't you ever gotten down on someone who disagrees with you? :?
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    dennisn wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    I personally enjoy being lectured by someone who didn't watch cycling during it's really filthy era about how it's still the same and they're all at it.

    On the flip side haven't you ever gotten down on someone who disagrees with you? :?


    I have. But we aren't together any more.
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    dennisn wrote:
    Also, even before Oprah spoke to LA the whole affair was know by most of the world

    I don't want to interrupt the Joelsim/Dennis sexting here, but you are very wrong about this.
    Oprah was a big shock to non-procycling followers.

    My view, for what it's worth, is that the main action now is in the superdoms rather than in the winners. Secure the next contract and bonus, but much lower risk. The ones getting caught are mostly those that fancy a bit of glory for themselves.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Also, even before Oprah spoke to LA the whole affair was know by most of the world

    but you are very wrong about this.
    Oprah was a big shock to non-procycling followers.

    Not saying you're right or wrong but I never got the impression that Oprah "broke all this to the masses".
    Nobody seemed surprised, at least over here. :? Just because people aren't followers of cycling or football or track and field doesn't mean they don't have a clue about any of this.
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    ^I'm quite pleased if that is now the general US perception, because my assumption (based on a very small sample and too much time on forums) was that it was all sour grapes, and it is still the majority view that the charity work makes the transgressions irrelevant and the persecution vindictive.

    My slightly larger non-cycling UK sample who had heard of Lance were very shocked. The only things about cycling that 95% of the UK public knew pre-Wiggo tdf were Chris Hoy and LA's good works and miracle cure.
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    While being lectured to can be a bit boring, I find the casual formation of the idea that 'evidence of some doping = they're all at it' spine-chillingly tedious...

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