Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Joelsim wrote:ShinyHelmut wrote:Back to the topic;
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/lifestyle/article/2000104750/more-kenyan-runners-discovered-to-be-using-performance-enhancing-drugs
Some of the reporting and comments read depressingly like the cycling press c10 years ago.
Mo Farah has recently done a TV commercial a la Lance too!
"People say what's your secret. But there's no secret..."
I guess only time will tell whether it's the Quorn.
So, If an athlete is good at something they are ergo a doper? Sigh. :roll:0 -
mike6 wrote:Joelsim wrote:ShinyHelmut wrote:Back to the topic;
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/lifestyle/article/2000104750/more-kenyan-runners-discovered-to-be-using-performance-enhancing-drugs
Some of the reporting and comments read depressingly like the cycling press c10 years ago.
Mo Farah has recently done a TV commercial a la Lance too!
"People say what's your secret. But there's no secret..."
I guess only time will tell whether it's the Quorn.
So, If an athlete is good at something they are ergo a doper? Sigh. :roll:[/quote.
Check out the list of caught dope athletes , It's fudging huge.. and some horses as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_do ... s_in_sport0 -
You'd have to be mad / blind / naive to not at least have a few nagging doubts about Mo. He seems a lovely chap, but even so.0
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I did hear some hearsay from a friend that a friend of his (it's quite a tedious link) is a sports journalist and had quite a meaty piece on him, but was waiting to finish it and for the post-Olympics hysteria to die down before trying to get it published.
Wonder what happened about that. Seeing him next week so will ask....0 -
BigMat wrote:You'd have to be mad / blind / naive to not at least have a few nagging doubts about Mo. He seems a lovely chap, but even so.
The fall out with the Kenyan runners getting busted does raise suspicion. Mo did do a lot of training at some Kenyan camps.
Matthews Kisorio, the highest-profile Kenyan to have tested positive, has claimed that many of his countrymen are using illegal performance-enhancers.
Kisorio, who has competed in world cross-country championships and ran the third fastest half-marathon ever, told the German broadcaster ARD last year that he took illegal drugs "because everyone told me, I wasn't the only one – and none of the others got caught for doping".
He added: "I know that a lot of medical substances are used, which are injected straight to the blood for the body to have more oxygen. And when you run, you run so smooth. You have more stamina.
"When the prize money comes in the doctors want a piece of your success. There are some doctors who settle down in popular athlete areas where you can find the training camps. These men just open a pharmacy and claim they are just selling legal medication. Then they approach the athletes. It is the same all over the country0 -
coriordan wrote:I did hear some hearsay from a friend that a friend of his (it's quite a tedious link) is a sports journalist and had quite a meaty piece on him, but was waiting to finish it and for the post-Olympics hysteria to die down before trying to get it published.
Wonder what happened about that. Seeing him next week so will ask....
Maybe it just turned out to be Quorn after all
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LutherB wrote:coriordan wrote:I did hear some hearsay from a friend that a friend of his (it's quite a tedious link) is a sports journalist and had quite a meaty piece on him, but was waiting to finish it and for the post-Olympics hysteria to die down before trying to get it published.
Wonder what happened about that. Seeing him next week so will ask....
Maybe it just turned out to be Quorn after all
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Richmond Racer wrote:LutherB wrote:coriordan wrote:I did hear some hearsay from a friend that a friend of his (it's quite a tedious link) is a sports journalist and had quite a meaty piece on him, but was waiting to finish it and for the post-Olympics hysteria to die down before trying to get it published.
Wonder what happened about that. Seeing him next week so will ask....
Maybe it just turned out to be Quorn after all
Groan.....
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I've emailed him just now so will see what he says.0
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Some choice quotes here from the new CEO of the ATP Tour
http://www.thetennisspace.com/kermode-i ... -big-four/
Various tennis commentators in the media have their head in their hands at his responses0 -
Jupiter is quite easy to see in the Sky.0
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ShinyHelmut wrote:
German media reporting that its this biathlete
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evi_Sachenbacher-Stehle
Double gold medallist in XC skiing from the 2010 Games0 -
Jupiter is so bright 0
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BigMat wrote:You'd have to be mad / blind / naive to not at least have a few nagging doubts about Mo. He seems a lovely chap, but even so.
Errr, no. Just an ordinary guy that loves to watch endurance sport. If I had that sneering, doubting, negative outlook, I would watch something else.
I need a very good reason to have doubts bout people. Why should this guy, who you dont know and have never met, have to put up with someone sitting on there sofa condemning him as a cheat with no evidence at all. :roll:0 -
mike6 wrote:BigMat wrote:You'd have to be mad / blind / naive to not at least have a few nagging doubts about Mo. He seems a lovely chap, but even so.
Errr, no. Just an ordinary guy that loves to watch endurance sport. If I had that sneering, doubting, negative outlook, I would watch something else.
I need a very good reason to have doubts bout people. Why should this guy, who you dont know and have never met, have to put up with someone sitting on there sofa condemning him as a cheat with no evidence at all. :roll:
That's just life I'm afraid. I wouldn't say I had a "sneering" attitude, but history suggests that when an athlete moves training base and starts working with a new training team and suddenly has a miraculous uplift in performance, something may be up. Its a bit like what happened with Dwain Chambers (although he didn't seem to improve that much). Throw in the fact that his previously unheralded training partner (as far as I know, but I'll be honest I don't really follow athletics that closely) took silver behind him in the Olympics, and I raised an eyebrow. That's it though - like I say, he seems like a lovely guy and as you say, there is no evidence against him. So I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. But come on, there has to be some doubt? (kind of the same as Froome, except with Froome I know a bit more of the back story so am probably a bit more of a believer)0 -
Galen Rupp has been breaking American records both on the track and at cross-country since high school. His progression is not surprising.BigMat wrote:mike6 wrote:BigMat wrote:You'd have to be mad / blind / naive to not at least have a few nagging doubts about Mo. He seems a lovely chap, but even so.
Errr, no. Just an ordinary guy that loves to watch endurance sport. If I had that sneering, doubting, negative outlook, I would watch something else.
I need a very good reason to have doubts bout people. Why should this guy, who you dont know and have never met, have to put up with someone sitting on there sofa condemning him as a cheat with no evidence at all. :roll:
That's just life I'm afraid. I wouldn't say I had a "sneering" attitude, but history suggests that when an athlete moves training base and starts working with a new training team and suddenly has a miraculous uplift in performance, something may be up. Its a bit like what happened with Dwain Chambers (although he didn't seem to improve that much). Throw in the fact that his previously unheralded training partner (as far as I know, but I'll be honest I don't really follow athletics that closely) took silver behind him in the Olympics, and I raised an eyebrow. That's it though - like I say, he seems like a lovely guy and as you say, there is no evidence against him. So I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. But come on, there has to be some doubt? (kind of the same as Froome, except with Froome I know a bit more of the back story so am probably a bit more of a believer)0 -
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BigMat wrote:
Throw in the fact that his previously unheralded training partner (as far as I know, but I'll be honest I don't really follow athletics that closely) took silver behind him in the Olympics, and I raised an eyebrow.
For info Galen Rupp was a High School 'phenom', as they say over there. He is currently doing some ridiculous performances indoors - then following them up with bonkers training sessions 20 minutes later - google Craig Virgin (ex World Cross Country champ from the 80s) to see his comments on it all.
There's lots of questions about the Nike project and Salazar's methods - thyroid meds etc. Farah has denied using those - but Rupp responded that his medical info and TUEs were private...
They are possibly operating within the letter of the rules if not the spirit. There are a few UK international distance guys who are very sceptical of Salazar & his programme.0 -
Salazar was coaching Mary Slaney[decker] when she got busted.
That whole Nike Oregon programme look's a bit dodgy IMO .. Mo was a participant .
Results and money go hand in hand0 -
BigMat wrote:mike6 wrote:BigMat wrote:You'd have to be mad / blind / naive to not at least have a few nagging doubts about Mo. He seems a lovely chap, but even so.
Errr, no. Just an ordinary guy that loves to watch endurance sport. If I had that sneering, doubting, negative outlook, I would watch something else.
I need a very good reason to have doubts bout people. Why should this guy, who you dont know and have never met, have to put up with someone sitting on there sofa condemning him as a cheat with no evidence at all. :roll:
That's just life I'm afraid. I wouldn't say I had a "sneering" attitude, but history suggests that when an athlete moves training base and starts working with a new training team and suddenly has a miraculous uplift in performance, something may be up. Its a bit like what happened with Dwain Chambers (although he didn't seem to improve that much). Throw in the fact that his previously unheralded training partner (as far as I know, but I'll be honest I don't really follow athletics that closely) took silver behind him in the Olympics, and I raised an eyebrow. That's it though - like I say, he seems like a lovely guy and as you say, there is no evidence against him. So I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. But come on, there has to be some doubt? (kind of the same as Froome, except with Froome I know a bit more of the back story so am probably a bit more of a believer)
No its not. It might be your life, but don't project it on everyone else. Mo has been a top athlete since I saw him at the English schools when he was 17, and he was special even then.
He has worked his way up the rankings over the years and has reached his potential at the age you would expect an endurance athlete to mature.
"Has to be some doubt" . Why? Because he has reached his potential and you, as a none athletics follower, don't know his story? Perhaps he should send you his training schedule and results from the last 10 years.0 -
Hmmm, how to respond? I don't want to get in to an argument. I like Mo, he seems like a great guy. But if you look at it objectively, taking into account what we know about cycling (another endurance sport), I think the performances we have seen look a bit suspicious, some of the circumstances surrounding those performances look worryingly familiar. That's just my opinion though, and I shouldn't have been derogative about anyone who might have a different opinion. Apologies for that.0
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There are a number of factors that increase the probability of him doping. Not saying that he definitely is, but there is smoke around Salazar and his past, Kenyans (who he often trains with), improvements in performance and consistency...
That's aside from comments from the doping authorities saying 'They are all doing it, but catching them is a different matter' (or words to that effect).0 -
I might take the comments more seriously if they came from people who aren't always banging on about "There all at it".0
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No ,you just don't want to listen to truth when it's staring you in the face....mike6 wrote:I might take the comments more seriously if they came from people who aren't always banging on about "There all at it".
Pro sportsmen and women dope , Salazer coached Slaney when she got busted , Some of the top Kenyan runners
have been busted for PED'S . MO has trained in Kenya with some of the top runners , he worked on the Nike Oregon project with Salazer ,,,,genuine reasons to be suspicious at the least
Mo's performance's improved when he went to train with the Kenyans
It does not matter who puts the facts in front of you ,,,they are there for you to see and make your own opinion.0 -
Have a good listen to those in charge mike6, they obviously know far more than us. Dick Pound for a start.
Oh, and history. If it looks like a turd and smells like a turd, it probably is a turd.0 -
The thing with Farah is that he's not particularly fast. At 5000m he's only 31st on the all-time list and his PB is only seven seconds faster than David Moorcroft was in the 80s. He's a bit better at 10,000m where he's 15th on the all-time list.
What he is good at is championship racing as he has the fastest last lap, something he gets to use more these days while quite fresh as all the Africans who preferred higher paced races have buggered off to marathon running where the money is.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Rich, we've spoken about these "facts" and "evidence" many times.
You really need to figure out a position and then make some of the data fit your narrative. If someone disagrees with that, just ignore it.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Joelsim wrote:Have a good listen to those in charge mike6, they obviously know far more than us. Dick Pound for a start.
Oh, and history. If it looks like a turd and smells like a turd, it probably is a turd.
So...because you say it is we all have to believe it? I dont think so.
History eh? Foster, Moorcroft, McLeod, Black, Hill, Stewart, dont remember any of those British distance running greats ever testing positive.
As I say, you cant simply blacken someones reputation because you feel like it.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Rich, we've spoken about these "facts" and "evidence" many times.
You really need to figure out a position and then make some of the data fit your narrative. If someone disagrees with that, just ignore it.
He's going to get popped for statistical doping. His factocrit is sky high. No-one wins that many arguments without the use of illegal spreadsheets.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
mike6 wrote:So...because you say it is we all have to believe it? I dont think so.
History eh? Foster, Moorcroft, McLeod, Black, Hill, Stewart, dont remember any of those British distance running greats ever testing positive.
As I say, you cant simply blacken someones reputation because you feel like it.
Have you really just used the "British guys don't cheat" line?
Jesus wept.0
