Drugs in other sports and the media.

rick_chasey

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Dolan Driver wrote:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/world-cup-2018/ewan-mackenna-russians-running-opponents-into-the-ground-at-the-world-cup-and-the-whispers-are-growing-louder-37036671.html

The suspicions surrounding the Russian team have started already.

DD.

Without defending Russia and its methods, where was all the suspicion when Spain was tiki-taka-ing people to death, wearing them out and winning with last minute goals, in the years following Operation Puerto?

Involves less running innit.

Also: https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... stleblower

pblakeney

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Dolan Driver wrote:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/world-cup-2018/ewan-mackenna-russians-running-opponents-into-the-ground-at-the-world-cup-and-the-whispers-are-growing-louder-37036671.html

The suspicions surrounding the Russian team have started already.

DD.

Without defending Russia and its methods, where was all the suspicion when Spain was tiki-taka-ing people to death, wearing them out and winning with last minute goals, in the years following Operation Puerto?

Some of us have been saying exactly that. Along with Rafa Nadal and many others.
It is surely not coincidence that Spain were a dominant force during that era.

the article don

PBlakeney wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Dolan Driver wrote:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/world-cup-2018/ewan-mackenna-russians-running-opponents-into-the-ground-at-the-world-cup-and-the-whispers-are-growing-louder-37036671.html

The suspicions surrounding the Russian team have started already.

DD.

Without defending Russia and its methods, where was all the suspicion when Spain was tiki-taka-ing people to death, wearing them out and winning with last minute goals, in the years following Operation Puerto?

Some of us have been saying exactly that. Along with Rafa Nadal and many others.
It is surely not coincidence that Spain were a dominant force during that era.

Look at the source though - the same bell-end who did the hatchet job on Froome. Attention seeking troll journalist and judging by his Twitter, an all round twunt of the highest order.

gsk82

curium wrote:

Possible precedent for Froome exoneration in cricket.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... -drug-test

Not really. He admitted taking extra due to poor air quality in Delhi.

mamil314

Reading Bezuglov's 'world has nothing to fear', i was thinking for a while if I should feel bad and hypocritical for having a degree of trust in Froome but being unable to muster any, whatever, for Russia and FIFA. Conclusion - naah.

dolan_driver

Nothing to see here, it's just tennis, after all. And they never dope.......

https://deadspin.com/an-anti-doping-age ... 1826993294

DD.

RichN95.

Dolan Driver wrote:

Nothing to see here, it's just tennis, after all. And they never dope.......

https://deadspin.com/an-anti-doping-age ... 1826993294

DD.

From that article: According to a USADA database, Williams has been tested five times so far in 2018. This total—which doesn’t include the June 14 test mission, which did not come to fruition—is more than twice that of other top American women’s tennis players.

According to the same database the number of times the following have been tested in the same period: Brent Bookwalter 6, Katie Compton 7, Chloe Dygert 8, Joe Dombrowski 7, Chris Horner(!) 6, Danny Pate 6, Taylor Phinney 5, Andrew Talansky 6.

So some retired cyclists are being tested more than the world's top female sports star.

darkhairedlord

RichN95 wrote:

Dolan Driver wrote:

Nothing to see here, it's just tennis, after all. And they never dope.......

https://deadspin.com/an-anti-doping-age ... 1826993294

DD.

From that article: According to a USADA database, Williams has been tested five times so far in 2018. This total—which doesn’t include the June 14 test mission, which did not come to fruition—is more than twice that of other top American women’s tennis players.

According to the same database the number of times the following have been tested in the same period: Brent Bookwalter 6, Katie Compton 7, Chloe Dygert 8, Joe Dombrowski 7, Chris Horner(!) 6, Danny Pate 6, Taylor Phinney 5, Andrew Talansky 6.

So some retired cyclists are being tested more than the world's top female sports star.

do they test for the same stuff at the same thresholds?

awavey

and even though she told them to get lost, it didnt count as a missed test because it was an unplanned check !?!

its an entirely different world isnt it,

Dorset_Boy

Froome tested 21 times in 3 weeks, how would Serena cope with that?

Vino'sGhost

awavey wrote:

and even though she told them to get lost, it didnt count as a missed test because it was an unplanned check !?!

its an entirely different world isnt it,

unplanned??? isnt that sort of the point?

awavey

Vino'sGhost wrote:

awavey wrote:

and even though she told them to get lost, it didnt count as a missed test because it was an unplanned check !?!

its an entirely different world isnt it,

unplanned??? isnt that sort of the point?

youd think so wouldnt you but Im assuming the part they missed out was that USADA hadnt planned it as a random unannounced check,, presumably theres some paper form filling they have to do to record it as an official test attempt, so it was like the tester guy was in the area and just thought he'd pop by...which sounds just as crazy I know.

but there you go, looks like Johanna Konta was on one strike for missing a test, claiming a timezone mix up http://www.skysports.com/tennis/news/12 ... ng-process

RichN95.

awavey wrote:

youd think so wouldnt you but Im assuming the part they missed out was that USADA hadnt planned it as a random unannounced check,, presumably theres some paper form filling they have to do to record it as an official test attempt, so it was like the tester guy was in the area and just thought he'd pop by...which sounds just as crazy I know.

Testers can ask athletes to give a test outside the whereabouts hour is they can find them. Maybe this was one of those, although if she wasn't there, they should have left immediately. The skiier Lindsay Vonn was once asked to give a sample on the red carpet at the Vogue fashion awards (not literally of course).

There are limits of decency though. When someone tried to get Kevin van Impe to give a test while he was doing preparations for his dead son's funeral they were rightly told to f-off.

No_Ta_Doctor

RichN95 wrote:

awavey wrote:

youd think so wouldnt you but Im assuming the part they missed out was that USADA hadnt planned it as a random unannounced check,, presumably theres some paper form filling they have to do to record it as an official test attempt, so it was like the tester guy was in the area and just thought he'd pop by...which sounds just as crazy I know.

Testers can ask athletes to give a test outside the whereabouts hour is they can find them. Maybe this was one of those, although if she wasn't there, they should have left immediately. The skiier Lindsay Vonn was once asked to give a sample on the red carpet at the Vogue fashion awards (not literally of course).

There are limits of decency though. When someone tried to get Kevin van Impe to give a test while he was doing preparations for his dead son's funeral they were rightly told to f-off.

This was an out-of-whereabouts-hours unannounced test. I've no idea what the rules are about them.

RichN95.

No tA Doctor wrote:

This was an out-of-whereabouts-hours unannounced test. I've no idea what the rules are about them.

Well, if she's not there then the tester goes home. Even if the tester thinks she's hiding in her panic room. If she's not there, go home.

jimmocrates

Was nice to hear on bbc 5live after the england vs columbia matches that brave jamie vardy was going to be having "pain killing injections".
No doubting it was totally legit,but after the terrible reporting in the froome case,just smacks of double standards

bobmcstuff

Yeah most likely tramadol.

Which is about to be banned for cycling.

Hey ho.

slim_boy_fat

Vaughters given Williams a bit of stick on twitter.

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/10 ... 2357705728

rick_chasey

https://www.economist.com/game-theory/2 ... rom-doping

shirley_basso

Had an interesting 2nd hand account from someone who's just started working at WADA. He reckons that 2% of dopers are caught but 30% are at it.

Says horse racing is 4-5 years ahead of cycling in doping technology. Says to notice how the Irish are winning everything and the Arabs are winning nothing.

Spoke pretty badly of Sky and in particular Brailsford.

- just reporting what I heard. Not sure I believe all of it.

Vino'sGhost

Shirley Basso wrote:

Had an interesting 2nd hand account from someone who's just started working at WADA. He reckons that 2% of dopers are caught but 30% are at it.

Says horse racing is 4-5 years ahead of cycling in doping technology. Says to notice how the Irish are winning everything and the Arabs are winning nothing.

Spoke pretty badly of Sky and in particular Brailsford.

- just reporting what I heard. Not sure I believe all of it.

ask him again after hes been there a bit

shirley_basso

That’s the plan! Need to get some first hand information.

gweeds

Shirley Basso wrote:

He reckons that 2% of dopers are caught but 30% are at it.

Most people would take those odds with the financial stakes as high as they are.

Vino'sGhost

Gweeds wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

He reckons that 2% of dopers are caught but 30% are at it.

Most people would take those odds with the financial stakes as high as they are.

and it's not always just about the money.

Pross

Shirley Basso wrote:

Had an interesting 2nd hand account from someone who's just started working at WADA. He reckons that 2% of dopers are caught but 30% are at it.

Says horse racing is 4-5 years ahead of cycling in doping technology. Says to notice how the Irish are winning everything and the Arabs are winning nothing.

Spoke pretty badly of Sky and in particular Brailsford.

- just reporting what I heard. Not sure I believe all of it.

Sounds like wild ass guessing to me. How can he make an assumption of how many are at it without them being caught? Scepticism is not necessarily a bad thing for WADA but I hope they are slightly more professional than that as an organisation. Maybe it’s from samples they get that worry them but they know wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny at CAS.

Vino'sGhost

Pross wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

Had an interesting 2nd hand account from someone who's just started working at WADA. He reckons that 2% of dopers are caught but 30% are at it.

Says horse racing is 4-5 years ahead of cycling in doping technology. Says to notice how the Irish are winning everything and the Arabs are winning nothing.

Spoke pretty badly of Sky and in particular Brailsford.

- just reporting what I heard. Not sure I believe all of it.

Sounds like wild ass guessing to me. How can he make an assumption of how many are at it without them being caught? Scepticism is not necessarily a bad thing for WADA but I hope they are slightly more professional than that as an organisation. Maybe it’s from samples they get that worry them but they know wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny at CAS.

so if someone is taking drugs but is avoiding the provision of sufficient evidence to allow proper prosecution is that ok? or are they innocent?

RichN95.

Shirley Basso wrote:

Had an interesting 2nd hand account from someone who's just started working at WADA. He reckons that 2% of dopers are caught but 30% are at it.

Says horse racing is 4-5 years ahead of cycling in doping technology. Says to notice how the Irish are winning everything and the Arabs are winning nothing.

Spoke pretty badly of Sky and in particular Brailsford.

- just reporting what I heard. Not sure I believe all of it.

You read that on an internet forum, didn't you?

Why would WADA say that they are 4-5 years behind horse racing (which they don't do). As Pross says, who would they know how many are doping. They certainly would't make any comment on individuals or teams just like that.

Absolute BS I'm afraid.

shirley_basso

I'm afraid you are wrong on all counts, Rich.

It was from a conversation between friends, not from a senior employee talking to the press.

In any case, why wouldn't WADA be aware of what's going on in other sports/industries? To not do would be willfully ignorant.

I don't necessarily believe what the person said is true, but I have absolutely, categorically, zero reason not to believe they did say it.

sherer

Just because he works at WADA wouldn't mean they would leak confidential data like this to every employee

shirley_basso

Why is it confidential? It's the person's opinion. I think they're wrong, doesn't hold them from having it.