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  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    redvision wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    You should learn to use the quote function, that was my comment.

    Unsurprisingly it mentions cycling in that headline on a cycling website but that report covers all sports and relates to unbanned substances picked up in OOC tests. It also says

    "Other sports like rugby and football showed increased use of the drug, with 1.4 per cent of samples from rugby players positive (up from 0.95%), 0.35 per cent of footballers (up from 0.28)."

    So use of Tramadol (from minimal OOC testing in football) has increased by 25%.

    Anyway, stick with the head-in-sand 'don't test, don't find' approach if you want.

    Keep telling yourself that there is only 'minimal' testing in football mate.

    Fifa say during this world cup every player will be tested.
    Not sure how you can call that minimal.
    Let's wait and see how many test positive shall we.

    Blood or urine?
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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    I've always been of the opinion that recreational drugs shouldn't be on the banned list at all, and recreational drugs with a possible performance enhancing aspect (e.g. coke) should only be on the banned list a) in competition and b) with allowable levels set. We don't need a personal morality police, we need anti-cheating police.

    So I'm happy the Peruvian captain was allowed to represent his country in their first world cup in 36 years, and support the captains of the other group teams that wrote on his behalf.

    But what about Paolini who was using coke to make him more alert while he was addicted to sleeping pills. That was clearly used as a performance enhancer
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • redvision
    redvision Posts: 2,958
    Gweeds wrote:
    redvision wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    You should learn to use the quote function, that was my comment.

    Unsurprisingly it mentions cycling in that headline on a cycling website but that report covers all sports and relates to unbanned substances picked up in OOC tests. It also says

    "Other sports like rugby and football showed increased use of the drug, with 1.4 per cent of samples from rugby players positive (up from 0.95%), 0.35 per cent of footballers (up from 0.28)."

    So use of Tramadol (from minimal OOC testing in football) has increased by 25%.

    Anyway, stick with the head-in-sand 'don't test, don't find' approach if you want.

    Keep telling yourself that there is only 'minimal' testing in football mate.

    Fifa say during this world cup every player will be tested.
    Not sure how you can call that minimal.
    Let's wait and see how many test positive shall we.

    Blood or urine?

    Both.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    gsk82 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    I've always been of the opinion that recreational drugs shouldn't be on the banned list at all, and recreational drugs with a possible performance enhancing aspect (e.g. coke) should only be on the banned list a) in competition and b) with allowable levels set. We don't need a personal morality police, we need anti-cheating police.

    So I'm happy the Peruvian captain was allowed to represent his country in their first world cup in 36 years, and support the captains of the other group teams that wrote on his behalf.

    But what about Paolini who was using coke to make him more alert while he was addicted to sleeping pills. That was clearly used as a performance enhancer
    No, that's a man with addiction problems. A cycle of abusing two substances to counteract each other isn't performance enhancing.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    Gweeds wrote:
    redvision wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    You should learn to use the quote function, that was my comment.

    Unsurprisingly it mentions cycling in that headline on a cycling website but that report covers all sports and relates to unbanned substances picked up in OOC tests. It also says

    "Other sports like rugby and football showed increased use of the drug, with 1.4 per cent of samples from rugby players positive (up from 0.95%), 0.35 per cent of footballers (up from 0.28)."

    So use of Tramadol (from minimal OOC testing in football) has increased by 25%.

    Anyway, stick with the head-in-sand 'don't test, don't find' approach if you want.

    Keep telling yourself that there is only 'minimal' testing in football mate.

    Fifa say during this world cup every player will be tested.
    Not sure how you can call that minimal.
    Let's wait and see how many test positive shall we.

    Blood or urine?

    Just a cup of tea please ( Likely Lads, 1974)
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,699
    ^^^it was also IN competition...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    Not quite sure about who’s posting what, but do any of the ‘coke is recreational’ viewpoint also think that salbutamol is a PED?
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    Not quite sure about who’s posting what, but do any of the ‘coke is recreational’ viewpoint also think that salbutamol is a PED?

    Can't speak for everyone, but I think coke is recreational and that salbutamol is a very limited PED (high oral or intravenous dose for fat burning as I understand it - not very helpful in 3rd week of a GT)
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    ddraver wrote:
    ^^^it was also IN competition...

    The test was taken in competition. The amount that turned up was a minimal trace, which would have put any consumption well outside competition.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,699
    OK, I kinda think it makes your point tho. If you using recreational drugs for PE (even if it's a messed up kinda PE), you'll still get done.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    people do all sorts of stuff thinking there might be benefit. Real or imagined performance enhancement is to an extent irrelevant. There was an attempt to cheat and even though i haven't studied the doping regs in years Im certain there is or were clauses which attempted to deal with that.

    I think on a personal level the Peruvian captain is lucky, he gets to represent his country, good for him. On another level it sends another very strong message. Coke is fine its just for fun. This undermines the rule of law and the efforts of drug enforcement agencies all over the world. Of course, nothing should surprise us from an organisation with such a rich history of criminal behaviour.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    I think on a personal level the Peruvian captain is lucky, he gets to represent his country, good for him. On another level it sends another very strong message. Coke is fine its just for fun. This undermines the rule of law and the efforts of drug enforcement agencies all over the world. Of course, nothing should surprise us from an organisation with such a rich history of criminal behaviour.
    If you want to get on your high horse about cocaine (which is OK), there are richer areas to point the finger at than sport, where usage is very low. Maybe start by deleting every song on your ipod written by someone on drugs. (Let's hope you like Ed Sheeran, cos that's all you'll have left)
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    RichN95 wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    I think on a personal level the Peruvian captain is lucky, he gets to represent his country, good for him. On another level it sends another very strong message. Coke is fine its just for fun. This undermines the rule of law and the efforts of drug enforcement agencies all over the world. Of course, nothing should surprise us from an organisation with such a rich history of criminal behaviour.
    If you want to get on your high horse about cocaine (which is OK), there are richer areas to point the finger at than sport, where usage is very low. Maybe start by deleting every song on your ipod written by someone on drugs. (Let's hope you like Ed Sheeran, cos that's all you'll have left)

    I thought this was more Vino's type of music.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTSA_sWGM44
    _
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    RichN95 wrote:
    gsk82 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    I've always been of the opinion that recreational drugs shouldn't be on the banned list at all, and recreational drugs with a possible performance enhancing aspect (e.g. coke) should only be on the banned list a) in competition and b) with allowable levels set. We don't need a personal morality police, we need anti-cheating police.

    So I'm happy the Peruvian captain was allowed to represent his country in their first world cup in 36 years, and support the captains of the other group teams that wrote on his behalf.

    But what about Paolini who was using coke to make him more alert while he was addicted to sleeping pills. That was clearly used as a performance enhancer
    No, that's a man with addiction problems. A cycle of abusing two substances to counteract each other isn't performance enhancing.

    Using coke to give you more energy is performance enhancing regardless of why you need it.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    I don't know I reckon Ed Sheeran is secretly a massive wreck head. How else can you explain his oeuvre?
    Correlation is not causation.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    He was a wreck head (maybe not a massive one) but it doesn't suit his image so he keeps it very quiet
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Well there you go, I learnt something about Ed Sheeran.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    who's Ed Sheeran?
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    RichN95 wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    I think on a personal level the Peruvian captain is lucky, he gets to represent his country, good for him. On another level it sends another very strong message. Coke is fine its just for fun. This undermines the rule of law and the efforts of drug enforcement agencies all over the world. Of course, nothing should surprise us from an organisation with such a rich history of criminal behaviour.
    If you want to get on your high horse about cocaine (which is OK), there are richer areas to point the finger at than sport, where usage is very low. Maybe start by deleting every song on your ipod written by someone on drugs. (Let's hope you like Ed Sheeran, cos that's all you'll have left)

    But this is a "drugs in other sports and the media" its probably a good spot for it. I've never been a fan of the "whatabout defense"
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    I think on a personal level the Peruvian captain is lucky, he gets to represent his country, good for him. On another level it sends another very strong message. Coke is fine its just for fun. This undermines the rule of law and the efforts of drug enforcement agencies all over the world. Of course, nothing should surprise us from an organisation with such a rich history of criminal behaviour.
    If you want to get on your high horse about cocaine (which is OK), there are richer areas to point the finger at than sport, where usage is very low. Maybe start by deleting every song on your ipod written by someone on drugs. (Let's hope you like Ed Sheeran, cos that's all you'll have left)

    I thought this was more Vino's type of music.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTSA_sWGM44

    HA excellent, here's one for you :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bzziAv9o4w
  • hantstooflat
    hantstooflat Posts: 122
    Above The Cows wrote:
    I don't know I reckon Ed Sheeran is secretly a massive wreck head. How else can you explain his oeuvre?

    Agree, only way to survive growing up in Suffolk.
    “Jij bent niet van suiker gemaakt”
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Heres some background on Rafael Marquez aka RAFA he's on a US treasury blacklist of people it says have helped launder money for drug cartels .

    Since companies with a US interest such as visa Coca Cola Budweiser and McDonalds cant use him or be associated FIFA has decided to keep him there and not allow interviews in front of advertising.
  • cruff
    cruff Posts: 1,518
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  • jimmythecuckoo
    jimmythecuckoo Posts: 4,719
    I love reading the replies to any post about drugs in sport on Twitter.

    Its like some of the people sit in waiting to peddle their pro/anti agenda.

    Brilliant entertainment.
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  • mamil314
    mamil314 Posts: 1,103
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    I think on a personal level the Peruvian captain is lucky, he gets to represent his country, good for him. On another level it sends another very strong message. Coke is fine its just for fun. This undermines the rule of law and the efforts of drug enforcement agencies all over the world. Of course, nothing should surprise us from an organisation with such a rich history of criminal behaviour.
    If you want to get on your high horse about cocaine (which is OK), there are richer areas to point the finger at than sport, where usage is very low. Maybe start by deleting every song on your ipod written by someone on drugs. (Let's hope you like Ed Sheeran, cos that's all you'll have left)

    I thought this was more Vino's type of music.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTSA_sWGM44

    HA excellent, here's one for you :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bzziAv9o4w

    This is therapeutic.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Heres some background on Rafael Marquez aka RAFA he's on a US treasury blacklist of people it says have helped launder money for drug cartels .

    Since companies with a US interest such as visa Coca Cola Budweiser and McDonalds cant use him or be associated FIFA has decided to keep him there and not allow interviews in front of advertising.

    Also, the Mexico training kit is sponsored by coca cola, so he has to wear a non-branded version when training. And he can't fly on any American airlines.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Heres some background on Rafael Marquez aka RAFA he's on a US treasury blacklist of people it says have helped launder money for drug cartels .

    Since companies with a US interest such as visa Coca Cola Budweiser and McDonalds cant use him or be associated FIFA has decided to keep him there and not allow interviews in front of advertising.

    Also, the Mexico training kit is sponsored by coca cola, so he has to wear a non-branded version when training. And he can't fly on any American airlines.


    Ha If her were an American Gangster who'd lost a hotel or two, the USA might well put sanctions in place or invade to get his ill gotten gains back for him. Funny old world.
  • dolan_driver
    dolan_driver Posts: 831
    https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer ... 36671.html

    The suspicions surrounding the Russian team have started already. :)

    DD.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Dolan Driver wrote:
    https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/world-cup-2018/ewan-mackenna-russians-running-opponents-into-the-ground-at-the-world-cup-and-the-whispers-are-growing-louder-37036671.html

    The suspicions surrounding the Russian team have started already. :)

    DD.

    Without defending Russia and its methods, where was all the suspicion when Spain was tiki-taka-ing people to death, wearing them out and winning with last minute goals, in the years following Operation Puerto?
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • curium
    curium Posts: 815
    Possible precedent for Froome exoneration in cricket.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... -drug-test

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