Drugs in other sports and the media.

gweeds

Hands up who’s not buying zero positives.

Pross

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Fifa announced on Thursday that so far all doping tests conducted before and during the World Cup have yielded negative results.

Since January 2018, a total of 2,037 tests have been conducted, Fifa said. On average, every player from the four remaining teams has been tested four times since January, with some of tested up to eight times.

So the most tested remaining player has had just 8 tests in 6 months in the year of their biggest tournament? The average based on these figures is less than 3 per player and taking out the remaining 92 players at an average of 4 tests the rest only averaged 2.5 tests in 6 months! GvA will have had at least 4 tests this week. It's no wonder cycling is considered by many as a dirty sport when the chances of being tested are so high relative to many other sports.

bobmcstuff

/\ And a far cry from Froome's 21 consecutive tests which they apparently used to build his salbutamol case (and I'm sure I read they had 60 days of nearly-consecutive tests)

larkim

Bit of an unfair comparison, individual winners by default get tested at the end of the stage and footballerists don't compete every day.

What would be more interesting would be to hear about the OOC testing ratio for both sports and also what the protocol is for teams / players during the world cup. No good reason I suppose why every winning team in the knockout phase shouldn't have all of their team tested at the end of every match, but that would actually be a lot more stringent than cycling where the "also rans" don't get tested with anywhere near the frequency of the leaders.

Vino'sGhost

Pross wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Fifa announced on Thursday that so far all doping tests conducted before and during the World Cup have yielded negative results.

Since January 2018, a total of 2,037 tests have been conducted, Fifa said. On average, every player from the four remaining teams has been tested four times since January, with some of tested up to eight times.

So the most tested remaining player has had just 8 tests in 6 months in the year of their biggest tournament? The average based on these figures is less than 3 per player and taking out the remaining 92 players at an average of 4 tests the rest only averaged 2.5 tests in 6 months! GvA will have had at least 4 tests this week. It's no wonder cycling is considered by many as a dirty sport when the chances of being tested are so high relative to many other sports.

Perhaps its not the dirtiest, just the most tested........

Vino'sGhost

larkim wrote:

Bit of an unfair comparison, individual winners by default get tested at the end of the stage and footballerists don't compete every day.

What would be more interesting would be to hear about the OOC testing ratio for both sports and also what the protocol is for teams / players during the world cup. No good reason I suppose why every winning team in the knockout phase shouldn't have all of their team tested at the end of every match, but that would actually be a lot more stringent than cycling where the "also rans" don't get tested with anywhere near the frequency of the leaders.

yes but theres only 30 people to test in a football match, theres 190 in a gt. Plus theres loads more money to pay for it. Or alternately theres loads more money lets not spoil it......

awavey

larkim wrote:

Bit of an unfair comparison, individual winners by default get tested at the end of the stage and footballerists don't compete every day.

is it unfair ? stage winner + jersey holders are tested by default plus a few randoms I thought, alongside the standard drug testing whereabouts system etc, which might mean you get tested twice on the same day.

yet were saying in the worlds biggest football competition,the pinnacle (ignoring the champions league is better lot) of the sport, and they might not even be testing players (ie plural) on the winning sides from games. are they even testing every single game? we know there was at least one because Jordan Pickford got picked whilst he was being interviewed on the pitch, but was he the only player tested from that game ? has he been the only England player tested in the whole tournament ?

RichN95.

They usually do two or three players from each side for each match.

ocdupalais

RichN95 wrote:

They usually do two or three players from each side for each match.

For Portugal v Uruguay they only did Suarez and Ronaldo, I think.
I can confirm that they were both in there for about 40mins after the match. No idea what they were doing, but after about 35mins there was a massive roar of laughter*... The mind boggles!
Perhaps they were watching the doctor replace the flashing red light and klaxon noise that accompanied the test results with a green one and a “nothing to see here” sign?




*Im in Russia working behind the scenes

RichN95.

Ryan Lochte showing once again that he's probably the thickest man in world sport.

Has banned intravenous injection. Takes a picture of him having it. Posts it on social media. Gets 14 months ban.

http://www.espn.com/olympics/swimming/s ... 019-use-iv

gweeds

Thick as mince that one. I reckon Trump's the father.

above_the_cows

Is that the plonker that got drunk during Rio games and made up some story about being robbed?

gweeds

Yup. The very same.

No_Ta_Doctor

He's a bit of a knobmoomin.

above_the_cows

No tA Doctor wrote:

He's a bit of a knobmoomin.

Bit of an understatement there.

Lanterne_Rogue

RichN95 wrote:

Ryan Lochte showing once again that he's probably the thickest man in world sport.

Has banned intravenous injection. Takes a picture of him having it. Posts it on social media. Gets 14 months ban.

http://www.espn.com/olympics/swimming/s ... 019-use-iv

That punishment's unfair on him.

Can he even count to 14?

bobmcstuff

"I have never used prohibitive substances" what?

What are they prohibitive of?

andyrac

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... ers-return

Interesting....

FocusZing

Drug use in professional skateboarding is getting very bad. Day after day you hear of skaters getting sober and giving up the drugs, It's so damn bad some are even turning vegan!

Lanterne_Rogue

What do you know? 'Other sports' had behaved themselves so well that I had to go down to the third page to fish this one back up.

Anyway, perhaps inspired by jokes about the Yates twins, a Russian athlete decided to pull the stunt of getting someone else to take his test for him. Top tip for anyone else wanting to try it: choose someone who actually looks like you.

https://twitter.com/jellingworth/status/1030413554569097216

shinyhelmut

You don't always need to wait until the event is over before swapping, and at least they looked alike.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/two-brothers-one-ultra-marathon-and-the-greatest-cheat-in-running-history

yorkshireraw

https://trainingground.guru/articles/pe ... f-medicine

blood is withdrawn and replaced - how the heck is this different to what go Basso et al banned after Puerto? They couldn't even prove Basso had ever re-infused (am sure he did, just no outright proof I don't believe?). Can it be doping if you wait a couple of months for your body to build up it's red cells again, then boost with your blood bag, but not doping if you take it out, spin it and stick it straight back?...

Mad_Malx

YorkshireRaw wrote:

https://trainingground.guru/articles/pep-guardiola-and-the-messi-of-medicine

blood is withdrawn and replaced - how the heck is this different to what go Basso et al banned after Puerto? They couldn't even prove Basso had ever re-infused (am sure he did, just no outright proof I don't believe?). Can it be doping if you wait a couple of months for your body to build up it's red cells again, then boost with your blood bag, but not doping if you take it out, spin it and stick it straight back?...

I'm not condoning it, but it's very different. It won't increase circulating red blood cell number or oxygen carrying capacity (more likely slightly decrease). The red & (sometimes) white cells are taken out and the plasma (liquid bit) and platelets (small blood components involved in wound healing and blood clotting) injected into the tissues rather than the blood.

jwa581

Mad_Malx wrote:

YorkshireRaw wrote:

https://trainingground.guru/articles/pep-guardiola-and-the-messi-of-medicine

blood is withdrawn and replaced - how the heck is this different to what go Basso et al banned after Puerto? They couldn't even prove Basso had ever re-infused (am sure he did, just no outright proof I don't believe?). Can it be doping if you wait a couple of months for your body to build up it's red cells again, then boost with your blood bag, but not doping if you take it out, spin it and stick it straight back?...

I'm not condoning it, but it's very different. It won't increase circulating red blood cell number or oxygen carrying capacity (more likely slightly decrease). The red & (sometimes) white cells are taken out and the plasma (liquid bit) and platelets (small blood components involved in wound healing and blood clotting) injected into the tissues rather than the blood.

I have some experience of using this type of technology, as a clinical perfusion scientist (or perfusionist). We used to use this to aid healing in patients with problematic wound healing, often in leg wounds following cardiac surgery, but has applications in diabetic ulcers etc. Platelets contain high concentrations of human growth factors and so promote healing. Not sure if this is the exact same technique but sounds remarkably similar.

johnboy183

So a bit late to the party with Icarus. It's making me feel sick just watching the "normality" of the guy talking & injecting the drugs! Only part Way through at the moment but the Russian is a character

ddraver

Oh john...

Bit like posting, "I'm half way through Titanic...voyage all seems to be going well so far"

johnboy183

^^^ made me chuckle. Finished now. It's was very interesting

dolan_driver

There are some references to missed drugs tests by Serena. She doesn't know how good she has it.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/other- ... 05939.html

DD.

cruff

Dolan Driver wrote:

There are some references to missed drugs tests by Serena. She doesn't know how good she has it.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/other- ... 05939.html

DD.

She's a whinging, miserable piece of work... but she does have a point in the amount she's tested compared to other tennis players. I read somewhere she's been tested something like five times as often as other female players, and more often than most male players. Admittedly that's coming from a starting position of pathetically low in comparison to cycling, and she should be tested slightly more often (because she wins everything) but still seems a little unfair.

RichN95.

The statistics were for testing by USADA I believe. And Williams spends less time on the road than almost all her rivals so is at home more, particularly with her recent pregnancy. Also there have been incidents that have attracted attention.