Drugs in other sports and the media.

dolan_driver

RichN95 wrote:

Unfortunately written by a Kimmage wannabe.

I'm not sure I agree. In any case, it certainly appears the beautiful game is filthy as fook or at least as dirty as any other global sport. I don't think Fuentes was giving those football players lessons in how to lace up their boots!

DD.

cruff

As a Barca fan and half Spanish, even I'm hugely skeptical of the success of both in the past decade. The frankly ridiculous fitness levels set alarm bells ringing all over the place - and it's a disgrace that football in general (and Spanish football in particular) gets off scot-free with wholesale doping, whilst a technicality in cycling is seized upon like Froome is shooting up during a stage

awavey

Cruff wrote:

As a Barca fan and half Spanish, even I'm hugely skeptical of the success of both in the past decade. The frankly ridiculous fitness levels set alarm bells ringing all over the place - and it's a disgrace that football in general (and Spanish football in particular) gets off scot-free with wholesale doping, whilst a technicality in cycling is seized upon like Froome is shooting up during a stage

the fitness levels thing doesnt bug me so much as football was massively behind in terms of the easy fitness gains you could make vs other sports, when Wenger first turned up at Arsenal and was getting the players to cut out the pie and chips from their diets,& the smoking and boozing culture, it was seen as practicing some kind of black magic. Similar thing happened in motorsport when Schumacher turned up with an exercise bike in his trailer, literally the idea of fitness training hadnt even been considered as needed, and yet now you regularly see drivers posting instagrams of them riding round with pro riders training, and even do VO2 max tests.

its the recovery time between games and from fatigue style injuries that rings alarm bells for me

Omar Little

Good article about Glen Hoddle and England at the 1998 world cup. Features this paragraph...

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/wo ... tory.shtml

"England were late leaving for the ground because so many players were queuing up for their pre-match injections. Hoddle had employed Dr Yann Rougier, the French doctor who had been brought to Arsenal by Arsene Wenger. Most of the players felt fitter, sharper, more productive, though it didn’t work for everyone: Le Saux had such a bad reaction to a caffeine tablet at half-time that he had to be substituted. The rest felt great, like they could run all night."

cruff

Omar Little wrote:

Good article about Glen Hoddle and England at the 1998 world cup. Features this paragraph...

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/wo ... tory.shtml

"England were late leaving for the ground because so many players were queuing up for their pre-match injections. Hoddle had employed Dr Yann Rougier, the French doctor who had been brought to Arsenal by Arsene Wenger. Most of the players felt fitter, sharper, more productive, though it didn’t work for everyone: Le Saux had such a bad reaction to a caffeine tablet at half-time that he had to be substituted. The rest felt great, like they could run all night."

Pahahaha

A 'caffeine tablet'. Yeah, right... :roll:

Pross

Omar Little wrote:

Good article about Glen Hoddle and England at the 1998 world cup. Features this paragraph...

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/wo ... tory.shtml

"England were late leaving for the ground because so many players were queuing up for their pre-match injections. Hoddle had employed Dr Yann Rougier, the French doctor who had been brought to Arsenal by Arsene Wenger. Most of the players felt fitter, sharper, more productive, though it didn’t work for everyone: Le Saux had such a bad reaction to a caffeine tablet at half-time that he had to be substituted. The rest felt great, like they could run all night."

I can't understand why they would do this even assuming it was legal as football is a game of skill so why bother giving them things that help them feel sharper, fitter and able to run all night?

larkim

Queuing up for their pre-match injections of what precisely? Caffiene tabs I can understand (enough athletes use a shot of coffee to add alertness), but that sentence is just a throwaway comment with so much underlying potential!

Mad_Malx

It shouldn't be happening, but I'm struggling with what compounds might actually help as pre-match injections.

joe2008

Pross wrote:

I can't understand why they would do this even assuming it was legal as football is a game of skill so why bother giving them things that help them feel sharper, fitter and able to run all night?

Seriously? I guess you've never played the game.

dinyull

WOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!

Wow, what was that?!

Pross

joe2008 wrote:

Pross wrote:

I can't understand why they would do this even assuming it was legal as football is a game of skill so why bother giving them things that help them feel sharper, fitter and able to run all night?

Seriously? I guess you've never played the game.

The Dictionary wrote:

sarcasm
noun [ U ] UK ​ /ˈsɑː.kæz.əm/ US ​ /ˈsɑːr.kæz.əm/
​
the use of remarks that clearly mean the opposite of what they say, made in order to hurt someone's feelings or to criticize something in a humorous way:

"You have been working hard," he said with heavy sarcasm, as he looked at the empty page.

Have you never seen football supporters (such as Redvision on here) trying to justify the lack of testing in football on the above basis?

joe2008

Pross wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

Pross wrote:

I can't understand why they would do this even assuming it was legal as football is a game of skill so why bother giving them things that help them feel sharper, fitter and able to run all night?

Seriously? I guess you've never played the game.

The Dictionary wrote:

sarcasm
noun [ U ] UK ​ /ˈsɑː.kæz.əm/ US ​ /ˈsɑːr.kæz.əm/
​
the use of remarks that clearly mean the opposite of what they say, made in order to hurt someone's feelings or to criticize something in a humorous way:

"You have been working hard," he said with heavy sarcasm, as he looked at the empty page.

Have you never seen football supporters (such as Redvision on here) trying to justify the lack of testing in football on the above basis?

No, I obviously don't waste enough time on here

sherer

its a quote lifted from Gary Neville's autobiography. Not sure why this quotes isnt listed to him, when all the other bio quotes are

redvision

joe2008 wrote:

Have you never seen football supporters (such as Redvision on here) trying to justify the lack of testing in football on the above basis?

Awww have I touched a nerve??

Say what you want about football but the latest stories are still all about cycling im afraid.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cycling ... ort-shows/

And I should add, before the comments start, I am fairly sure there will be a positive test or two at the world cup. Unfortunately that is seemingly inevitable given where it is taking place. However, if doping in football is as rife as you and others on here claim then there should be hundreds of positive tests over the next 4 weeks. So let's wait and see

Pross

redvision wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

Have you never seen football supporters (such as Redvision on here) trying to justify the lack of testing in football on the above basis?

Awww have I touched a nerve??

Say what you want about football but the latest stories are still all about cycling im afraid.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cycling ... ort-shows/

And I should add, before the comments start, I am fairly sure there will be a positive test or two at the world cup. Unfortunately that is seemingly inevitable given where it is taking place. However, if doping in football is as rife as you and others on here claim then there should be hundreds of positive tests over the next 4 weeks. So let's wait and see

You should learn to use the quote function, that was my comment.

Unsurprisingly it mentions cycling in that headline on a cycling website but that report covers all sports and relates to unbanned substances picked up in OOC tests. It also says

"Other sports like rugby and football showed increased use of the drug, with 1.4 per cent of samples from rugby players positive (up from 0.95%), 0.35 per cent of footballers (up from 0.28)."

So use of Tramadol (from minimal OOC testing in football) has increased by 25%.

Anyway, stick with the head-in-sand 'don't test, don't find' approach if you want.

redvision

Pross wrote:

You should learn to use the quote function, that was my comment.

Unsurprisingly it mentions cycling in that headline on a cycling website but that report covers all sports and relates to unbanned substances picked up in OOC tests. It also says

"Other sports like rugby and football showed increased use of the drug, with 1.4 per cent of samples from rugby players positive (up from 0.95%), 0.35 per cent of footballers (up from 0.28)."

So use of Tramadol (from minimal OOC testing in football) has increased by 25%.

Anyway, stick with the head-in-sand 'don't test, don't find' approach if you want.

Keep telling yourself that there is only 'minimal' testing in football mate.

Fifa say during this world cup every player will be tested.
Not sure how you can call that minimal.
Let's wait and see how many test positive shall we.

pblakeney

So, an increase in drug use in football.
Has there been a corresponding increase in banned players?

darkhairedlord

The Russians won't be doping, They will just knobble the other team. Those Saudi players looked like someone had shown photos of their children.

sherer

redvision wrote:

Pross wrote:

You should learn to use the quote function, that was my comment.

Unsurprisingly it mentions cycling in that headline on a cycling website but that report covers all sports and relates to unbanned substances picked up in OOC tests. It also says

"Other sports like rugby and football showed increased use of the drug, with 1.4 per cent of samples from rugby players positive (up from 0.95%), 0.35 per cent of footballers (up from 0.28)."

So use of Tramadol (from minimal OOC testing in football) has increased by 25%.

Anyway, stick with the head-in-sand 'don't test, don't find' approach if you want.

Keep telling yourself that there is only 'minimal' testing in football mate.

Fifa say during this world cup every player will be tested.
Not sure how you can call that minimal.
Let's wait and see how many test positive shall we.

Testing yes, but if they only tick the boxes to check for recreation drugs then that is all they will find.

rick_chasey

redvision wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

Have you never seen football supporters (such as Redvision on here) trying to justify the lack of testing in football on the above basis?

Awww have I touched a nerve??

Say what you want about football but the latest stories are still all about cycling im afraid.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cycling ... ort-shows/

And I should add, before the comments start, I am fairly sure there will be a positive test or two at the world cup. Unfortunately that is seemingly inevitable given where it is taking place. However, if doping in football is as rife as you and others on here claim then there should be hundreds of positive tests over the next 4 weeks. So let's wait and see

You're not really familiar with how Lance et al got away with it for so long are you?

kingstongraham

redvision wrote:

if doping in football is as rife as you and others on here claim then there should be hundreds of positive tests over the next 4 weeks. So let's wait and see

You do know it's happening in Russia?

orraloon

RUSADA are still suspended by WADA? Who does the WC testing? FIFA itself? What could possibly go wrong? :?

redvision

orraloon wrote:

RUSADA are still suspended by WADA? Who does the WC testing? FIFA itself? What could possibly go wrong? :?

WADA are conducting the tests themselves at this world cup, at the request of fifa.

No Russian officials are allowed any involvement or to be present at any tests (except the testing of Russian players of course).

cruff

So the captain of Peru's team has failed a doping test, but the three captains of the other teams in his group have written to FIFA saying he should be allowed to play - and FIFA have agreed. So that's alright then...

bobmcstuff

Only coke though innit.

darkhairedlord

bobmcstuff wrote:

Only coke though innit.

Kit bags will be a bit lighter on the way home....

pblakeney

darkhairedlord wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

Only coke though innit.

Kit bags will be a bit lighter on the way home....

They always will be. Who takes drugs to Central America?

No_Ta_Doctor

I've always been of the opinion that recreational drugs shouldn't be on the banned list at all, and recreational drugs with a possible performance enhancing aspect (e.g. coke) should only be on the banned list a) in competition and b) with allowable levels set. We don't need a personal morality police, we need anti-cheating police.

So I'm happy the Peruvian captain was allowed to represent his country in their first world cup in 36 years, and support the captains of the other group teams that wrote on his behalf.

Bo Duke

PBlakeney wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

Only coke though innit.

Kit bags will be a bit lighter on the way home....

They always will be. Who takes drugs to Central America?

Or even South America.

Lanterne_Rogue

WIth the Peruvian captain, I did like the headline I saw that read something along the lines of "Sacrifice of three children helps allow Peruvian captain to dodge drugs ban". Seriously hoping Chris Froome's legal team don't get the wrong end of the stick...