Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

paulneenan76

Neal_ wrote:

I've just fitted a Smorgasbord rear and Chunky Monkey front both trail extreme to my Superstar AM-490 wheels and set them up tubeless pretty easy even though it was my first tubeless attempt. They look good (black, round and knobbly) and I'll be giving them their first outing tonight.

How did they do Neal?

paulneenan76

Plyphon wrote:

New wheel, new rubber. Complete, ready for summer.


Sh*t that rhymes.

It does rhyme but don't give up ya day job ;D

Your C456 is looking the dogs danglies. Maybe a black charge spoon saddle (being picky). Is that Nobby Nic's front n back?

Cracking build.

paulneenan76

BlueAdvocate wrote:

Finally my build got it's first proper ride after finding time between crap weather, riding and football.
Got round to fitting the dropper and bedding in the brakes; meanwhile the Trek is in the garage for some tender loving care.
Was impressed, it nailed the Gauxholme descent.
oh and this may be obvious but Formula The One brakes are a dream compared to the Elixirs on my Trek.

I suppose compairing this and the Remedy is like compairing apples with pears but which are you going to use more/have fun on.

I've been waiting to see this complete Blueadvocate - gartuitous close up pics are required now please

leythervegas

Here's a recent photo of my ride. The only changes really from the first post of this thread is haven carbon bars and black bignose seat. The bars Shaved a good chunk off so got it down to 25.5lb now, not too bad i dont think? I'm looking for a new seatpost as my ritchey wcs is getting a bit tatty and a new chain as winters took its toll on this one. Been using it to commute and it's been a joy to ride. Looking forward to the summer and getting some serious miles done.

Some lovely bikes been posted on here - especially like blue advocates yellow frame and also Paul Neenans' who has managed to build both a stealthy bike and a blingy bike!

paulneenan76

Leythervegas - thanks for that, stealthy and blingy was the aim so its good to know you think I achieved it. It's my birthday soon so hopefully my good lady will present me with a nice gold set of Superstar Nano's - it's not likely though;D

Seatpost? I've had two Twelfty's in recent years so unless your going Carbon/really light, they're worth a look. Good price too.

Cheers
Paul

Neal_

paulneenan76 wrote:

Neal_ wrote:

I've just fitted a Smorgasbord rear and Chunky Monkey front both trail extreme to my Superstar AM-490 wheels and set them up tubeless pretty easy even though it was my first tubeless attempt. They look good (black, round and knobbly) and I'll be giving them their first outing tonight.

How did they do Neal?

Great It was a fairly muddy ride and they dealt with the gloop better than the 2.25 Advantages that were previously on it but they aren't mud specific tyres so "better" doesn't mean they didn't slide. On the less muddy firmer stuff they were great, didn't slip at all on a very steep grassy climb and you could feel the side knobs do their stuff with the front leaned over. They felt like they rolled fine on dirt but you cold really notice the extra drag on the road sections compared to my last tyres but hardly surprising considering they are wider, much softer and at lower pressure. Also the Smorgasbord weighed 802g and the Chunky Monkey was 808g. I've got death lung so not been out again on them but as they've kept pressure, the first impressions are so good and they're so cheap I can't see myself spending more than double for big brand tyres any time soon.

Plyphon

paulneenan76 wrote:

It does rhyme but don't give up ya day job ;D

Your C456 is looking the dogs danglies. Maybe a black charge spoon saddle (being picky). Is that Nobby Nic's front n back?

Cracking build.

Cheers man! I'll do a "proper" photo with my DSLR when the sun comes out a bit more. Nobbly nics both ends, bit lighter than the FireXC's, looking forward to riding them.

Now for the rain to stop...

chainsucked

This thread is absolutely epic for inspiration, I must confess that I've been wanting to build up one of these lovely frames for quite some time now (you only need to check my thread history to see how far I got last time).

Unfortunately I'm struggling to piece everything together, this will be my first build from scratch so I'm a bit out of my depth.

My current latest (theoretical at the moment due to fund "issues") is:

Frame: C456 16"
Forks: RockShox Revelation RLT Dual Air 15mm Maxle (I'm considering running these at 130mm if possible).
Chainset: Shimano XT M780 with Hope Ceramic BB.
Cassette: Shimano XT M780 10 Speed Cassette.
Front "Mech": None! E Thirteen Single Ring (size tbc) with chain device of some sort (Gamut P20?).
Chain: Shimano CN-HG94 HG-X 10-speed.
Shifters: Shimano XT Gear Shifters Set Rapidfire SL-M780.
Rear Mech: Shimano XT Rear Derailleur Shadow RD-M781.
Front Brake: XT Disc BR-M785 (180mm Rotor).
Rear Brake: XT Disc BR-M785 (180mm Rotor).
Headset: 70mm tbc (I'm not sure whether to go with On-One or Hope)
Wheelset: Would like to aim for Hope 2 Evo on Mavic 719s, I was thinking about 12mm bolt through on the rear.

In my head it all fits together however I suspect that I will be corrected by you fellow 456-ers that none of the parts are compatible. I'd like to run single chainring for simplicity along with a wide block so that I can use the bike for anything. If the going gets tough, I must do my best to get fitter. From what I've seen the biggest chainring on a 456 seems to be 40t, I'd have to look at what I run at the moment really (I never venture out of the biggest ring on my current steed).

With a bit of luck if I buy the groupset it will save me a bit of money and I will have some bits and pieces spare (XT chainrings and BB really). The do a deal for all of it on bikediscount which looks good to me but this may only be because I can't seem many places that sell MTB groupsets...

Apologies for the slight thread hijack, I genuinely hope I will finally be able to join the club soon!

the_moodster

No, all sounds fairly sensible. Similar to my own build but I've gone with SLX over XT.

I wouldn't be going anywhere near a 40t ring on a single ring set-up unless you're very fit , assuming your looking at the 11-36 cassette I'd be looking somewhere between 32-36 for your single ring.

paulneenan76

Chainsucked - the spec list looks. My personal view would be:
•Hope or Ritchey over On-Ones smoothie mixer headset
•Revelation RLT dual air is great but I went from a shoot 100mm coil on a large framed XC bike straight to 150mm, and im going up the same stuff without issue. So leave at 150 and see how you go. If its too much, get it spaced down to 140 or 130. But if it is too much, maybe it's worth thinking going double ring?
•The tapered steerer on some forks have issues with a 16" frame so check with On-One
•Superstar have amazing wheel deals (if you need to tighten budget)
•I think 36T might be the max on these frames without too much issue - but don't quote me
•SLX is spot on for everything and unless its a minimal extra outlay, I'd save XT and spend on better finishing kit/build costs.

Other learnings - don't get carried away with your spec list. Some of it is brilliant, obviously, but its no substitute for actually riding it - Parts wear out! I could have spent £1k more on my build - easily.
Don't forget the little things; cabling, build costs, saddles and pedals etc,. It can really mount up so stick to your budget/remember to factor the little bits in, and don't forget about servicing costs or tools costs.

Above all, have fun. It's what On-One make the frames for ;D

Paul

paulneenan76

Neal_ wrote:

paulneenan76 wrote:

Neal_ wrote:

I've just fitted a Smorgasbord rear and Chunky Monkey front both trail extreme to my Superstar AM-490 wheels and set them up tubeless pretty easy even though it was my first tubeless attempt. They look good (black, round and knobbly) and I'll be giving them their first outing tonight.

How did they do Neal?

Great It was a fairly muddy ride and they dealt with the gloop better than the 2.25 Advantages that were previously on it but they aren't mud specific tyres so "better" doesn't mean they didn't slide. On the less muddy firmer stuff they were great, didn't slip at all on a very steep grassy climb and you could feel the side knobs do their stuff with the front leaned over. They felt like they rolled fine on dirt but you cold really notice the extra drag on the road sections compared to my last tyres but hardly surprising considering they are wider, much softer and at lower pressure. Also the Smorgasbord weighed 802g and the Chunky Monkey was 808g. I've got death lung so not been out again on them but as they've kept pressure, the first impressions are so good and they're so cheap I can't see myself spending more than double for big brand tyres any time soon.

Cheers Neal, sounds good. Hope your lungs are better now ;D

Neal_

chainsucked wrote:

In my head it all fits together however I suspect that I will be corrected by you fellow 456-ers that none of the parts are compatible. I'd like to run single chainring for simplicity along with a wide block so that I can use the bike for anything. If the going gets tough, I must do my best to get fitter. From what I've seen the biggest chainring on a 456 seems to be 40t, I'd have to look at what I run at the moment really (I never venture out of the biggest ring on my current steed).

If you're going 1x10 with a 11-36 cassette then a 32T ring will let you climb up everything even if you aren't that fit 34T will be fine for most fit people and 36T will probably have you pushing on steep stuff when you're tired. Don't forget you'll be using the middle ring position on your triple crank and there probably won't be chainstay clearance with bigger than 36T. Also with 1x10 I would be getting a Zee Shadow+ clutch mech but make sure you get the version that fits a 36 cassette http://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/shim ... aid:591957

Also also Superstar wheels are boss

paulneenan76 wrote:

Cheers Neal, sounds good. Hope your lungs are better now ;D

They're getting there, didn't cough for half an hour like an old man this morning so planning on riding tonight

leythervegas

paulneenan76 wrote:

Leythervegas - thanks for that, stealthy and blingy was the aim so its good to know you think I achieved it. It's my birthday soon so hopefully my good lady will present me with a nice gold set of Superstar Nano's - it's not likely though;D

Seatpost? I've had two Twelfty's in recent years so unless your going Carbon/really light, they're worth a look. Good price too.

Cheers
Paul

Well Paul I did look at the twelfty but they are £30 in the size and colour I need so that meant I got tempted by the Truvativ carbon post for the same price from Onone. Not sure it'll work though as maybe too much flex but we'll see.

BlueAdvocate

chainsucked wrote:

This thread is absolutely epic for inspiration, I must confess that I've been wanting to build up one of these lovely frames for quite some time now (you only need to check my thread history to see how far I got last time).

Unfortunately I'm struggling to piece everything together, this will be my first build from scratch so I'm a bit out of my depth.

My current latest (theoretical at the moment due to fund "issues") is:

Frame: C456 16"
Forks: RockShox Revelation RLT Dual Air 15mm Maxle (I'm considering running these at 130mm if possible).
Chainset: Shimano XT M780 with Hope Ceramic BB.
Cassette: Shimano XT M780 10 Speed Cassette.
Front "Mech": None! E Thirteen Single Ring (size tbc) with chain device of some sort (Gamut P20?).
Chain: Shimano CN-HG94 HG-X 10-speed.
Shifters: Shimano XT Gear Shifters Set Rapidfire SL-M780.
Rear Mech: Shimano XT Rear Derailleur Shadow RD-M781.
Front Brake: XT Disc BR-M785 (180mm Rotor).
Rear Brake: XT Disc BR-M785 (180mm Rotor).
Headset: 70mm tbc (I'm not sure whether to go with On-One or Hope)
Wheelset: Would like to aim for Hope 2 Evo on Mavic 719s, I was thinking about 12mm bolt through on the rear.

In my head it all fits together however I suspect that I will be corrected by you fellow 456-ers that none of the parts are compatible. I'd like to run single chainring for simplicity along with a wide block so that I can use the bike for anything. If the going gets tough, I must do my best to get fitter. From what I've seen the biggest chainring on a 456 seems to be 40t, I'd have to look at what I run at the moment really (I never venture out of the biggest ring on my current steed).

With a bit of luck if I buy the groupset it will save me a bit of money and I will have some bits and pieces spare (XT chainrings and BB really). The do a deal for all of it on bikediscount which looks good to me but this may only be because I can't seem many places that sell MTB groupsets...

Apologies for the slight thread hijack, I genuinely hope I will finally be able to join the club soon!

Couple of thoughts, go for the shadow plus mech if you can with the clutch as it will help prevent suck.
Consider a slackset, kicks the front out more and with the semi-integrated/internal bottom cup should lower the front a touch increasing the seat angle.
Wheels - the superstar/flows combo I got were good value.
Not sure on your chainring as I run 2x10 (26/38)
Bar/Stem combo - wide and short, you know you want to.
Rear wheel - question do On-One provide a swap out for the 12mm both through?

chainsucked

Many thanks for your responses the_moodster, paulneenan76 and BlueAdvocate.

I've still not decided on the size of chainring I'll be using, to be honest I had my mind made up on a 36t until I saw that there was someone on here running a 40t. I have spent the winter evenings being miserable down the gym doing a quite a bit of cardio so I'd like to think that my fitness is up to the task but this could be wishful thinking. I don't want to regret my choice 2/3rds up a difficult climb!

I'll have to weigh up the pros and the cons of the headsets, I have heard good things about both manufacturers so I guess it will be whatever I can find cheaper. I'm sure the Smoothie Mixer is great but I don't want to take the risk on such an important part!

I was going to space the Revelations down as I was worried about the massive step up in size. Perhaps this is a bit premature to do off the bat, it is something that I can always do later if required.

The choice of XT component is really down to the groupset deal I found on bikediscount. It seems to be quite a good way of getting all of the bits I want for a good price (even if XT is overkill). Having said that, considering I intend to dump quite a bit of it, this could be a false economy and something that would just give me a lot of spare parts. The Shimano Zee parts are very tempting, anything that will lessen the chance of the chain getting loose is awesome in my book.

I had a look at the Superstar wheel combos and was absolutely amazed at how good value they are. Any suggestions as to which one I pay particular attention to? I'm really not up to speed on which hubs are good and which ones not so good. I have also heard differing reports when it comes to the quality of the final product and life expectancy (I guess you will only hear the bad stories though!).

I shall do some more tweaking to my spec and check back here for inspiration and help as required. The biggest current frustration is that I can't get the colour frame I want for love nor money from On-One. The current colour schemes really don't do it for me and it would be bonkers to get a brand new frame stripped and re-painted (Argos won't even take carbon frames at the minute apparently!).

Thanks again for the replies, I have rather a lot to be thinking about!

MrPhil

I used 22/38 on my C456, this was using the SLX 3x9 chain set with a bash ring. Looking back a 36 is the max I would use as when you get chain suck it is sickening. Rear cassette was a 11/34 9spd

For forks the 150mm was great, however I used a Hope 50mm x 25degree stem so it was real tricky on slow corners. Hit a desent and your off!!
The hope headset was a fit an forget, not once in 9 months was it checked and I did circa 5k miles.

Dirty pic...





Flat tyre wasn't fixed due to having a broken arm..

aidieb

I do like that Green & Black!!

Hope you get the arm fixed was a bike accident?

MrPhil

Sure is fixed, was back on it 6 weeks later.

However some scumbag robbed the bike 3 weeks ago. Alls I have left is the brakes, wheels and forks.

Hopefully the police will get the rest.

Only thing I would do on the next C456 is 10 speed on a 28/40 (if the 40 fits mind)

paulneenan76

MrPhil wrote:

Sure is fixed, was back on it 6 weeks later.

However some scumbag robbed the bike 3 weeks ago. Alls I have left is the brakes, wheels and forks.

Hopefully the police will get the rest.

Only thing I would do on the next C456 is 10 speed on a 28/40 (if the 40 fits mind)

That's sickening. Theiving bastards. Lets hope it finds its way back to you before too long. Or insurance pays out for a new one.

Paul

paulneenan76

leythervegas wrote:

paulneenan76 wrote:

Leythervegas - thanks for that, stealthy and blingy was the aim so its good to know you think I achieved it. It's my birthday soon so hopefully my good lady will present me with a nice gold set of Superstar Nano's - it's not likely though;D

Seatpost? I've had two Twelfty's in recent years so unless your going Carbon/really light, they're worth a look. Good price too.

Cheers
Paul

Well Paul I did look at the twelfty but they are £30 in the size and colour I need so that meant I got tempted by the Truvativ carbon post for the same price from Onone. Not sure it'll work though as maybe too much flex but we'll see.

Twelfty's are worth it in my opinion but carbon is carbon and worth it at that price - little flex won't hurt

MrPhil

paulneenan76 wrote:

MrPhil wrote:

Sure is fixed, was back on it 6 weeks later.

However some scumbag robbed the bike 3 weeks ago. Alls I have left is the brakes, wheels and forks.

Hopefully the police will get the rest.

Only thing I would do on the next C456 is 10 speed on a 28/40 (if the 40 fits mind)

That's sickening. Theiving bastards. Lets hope it finds its way back to you before too long. Or insurance pays out for a new one.

Paul

I had no insurance

Hopefully some more parts will turn up.

the_moodster

What's with the arse about face cable runs, clearly phoned in :?

MrPhil

On mine?

Routed so they caused the least resistance, no instructions were sent with the frame regarding this and if you asked on forum's you would get no answer or smart arsed comments, looked at other C456's aswell an they have the same route.

BlueAdvocate

Mine are routed how I prefer them or may be my "phoning in" isn't very good.
Seriously, WTF!

paulneenan76

Hmm, what's phoning-in all about? You follow the guides, some cabling may be neater etc but unless you want to drill in to a carbon frame (feck that), you gotta do the best with what you got.

To be fair, On-One's cable routing options on both gen1 & gen2 of the C456 has been extensively covered on umpteen posts. I spent 5 minutes discussing options with my LBS and think the job they did was excellent. I've Velcro tied the cables at the front end to neaten it up and help reduce cable rub.

Maybe "the moodster" was after advice - in which case, my 2pence worth; sp41 outers with ptfe cables (shimano) for gears - it has a break on the seat stays but you can run an outer in between. Coloured cable ties in the cable guides are cool! Brake cabling is straight forward but this is where it can look naff if you don't trim em up nice. And coloured cables should match the frame colour (of course you may feel differently and who am I to say different;D)

the_moodster

Calm down dears, sorry to disapoint but i'm not talking about any of you, put your hand bags down!

I mean whoever designed the frame clearly phoned in that bit, on a bad line, srsly wtf! :roll:

Plyphon

What's the difference between gen 1 and gen 2 C456's?

paulneenan76

Plyphon wrote:

What's the difference between gen 1 and gen 2 C456's?

Sorry I meant steel & carbon frame types - I usually check before submitting something ;D

And "the moodster", I did think it wasn't an attack on people's cable route choice by you, but, you can see why it looked that way how's your build coming along?

Plyphon

Ah. I got excited then.

the_moodster

paulneenan76 wrote:

you can see why it looked that way how's your build coming along?

mmm in my head I think it included 'whoever designed them' in there somewhere :roll:

currently waiting for a Hans Dampf to turn up to get it rolling and as you might guess from the comment above trying to find the least silly cable route. 1x10 so don't have to faff with front mech but I refuse to run the cables up the same side of the frame as the controls. Twist ties are being employed. My other half is away at a conference until Wednesday so the work stand is a permanent fixture in the study until then :twisted: