Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

leythervegas

Here's a question for you mr Phil, have you ever attached panniers/racks to your 456? I've read on this thread that someone managed to do it but it involved empty plastic bottles and tie wraps. (Doesn't sound secure enough to me but it sounded like it worked!) I've seen seatpost mounted packs but I've got a carbon post so don't want to mark it if possible.

MrPhil

Never had them fitted as I always used a rucksack/camelback.

Plyphon

I've got some issues with my seatpost slipping that carbon paste doesn't seem to solve.

Thing is, I never really know how tight I can do up the seatclamp - being carbon on carbon n all.

Should I be worried? Or shall I just crank it up a bit more? It's far from tight as it is....

the_moodster

Plyphon wrote:

I've got some issues with my seatpost slipping that carbon paste doesn't seem to solve.

Thing is, I never really know how tight I can do up the seatclamp - being carbon on carbon n all.

Should I be worried? Or shall I just crank it up a bit more? It's far from tight as it is....

Snap, I'm looking at my seat clamp as the culprit, going to try a different one

Plyphon

Yeah true. I might try a cheapy super star one. Not keen on spending £20 on a hope one!

paulneenan76

Plyphon / The_moodster - you chaps using quick release seat clamps or bolted jobbies?

I've never had reliability or confidence in QR seat clamps so switched to a superstar bolt clamp and never looked back, or should I say down

Not sure what force you can load on carbon post to carbon tube - best check with On-One boys just in case.

Paul

Plyphon

I see super start do a "carbon specific" seat clamp that uses a bolt rather than QR - supposed to spread the load to avoid over tightening. Might give that a go.



Can anyone else chime in? How tight is too tight with a QR collar?

Cheers.

MrPhil

When using the Hope QR I used to do it quite tight (Superstar alloy post). Didn't have any issues with dropping.

With regards to how tight I used to have the QR 70% open then then nut hand tight then clamp it.

the_moodster

paulneenan76 wrote:

Plyphon / The_moodster - you chaps using quick release seat clamps or bolted jobbies?

QR, post comes out too much to faff with a bolted jobbie. Thinking about it it's one I dug out of my spares bin, which was rejected from a previous build, so I'm pretty sure it's the culprit.

BlueAdvocate

Bolted here but I run a dropper

The Northern Monkey

Anyone running the 456 at 120mm travel?
Any good?

leythervegas

I run with recon tk gold at 120mm and find it perfect for xc and the occasional whinlatter trip. I don't do any big drop offs or anything spectacular but find 120 a perfect all rounder. Going downhill I've never bottomed out. Must admit I would love a set of fox talas so I could try switching between 120 and 150 though.

pastey_boy

leythervegas wrote:

I run with recon tk gold at 120mm and find it perfect for xc and the occasional whinlatter trip. I don't do any big drop offs or anything spectacular but find 120 a perfect all rounder. Going downhill I've never bottomed out. Must admit I would love a set of fox talas so I could try switching between 120 and 150 though.

These would be ideal for you and your travel adjustment yearnings
http://www.flatoutcycles.co.uk/rockshox ... 1119-p.asp

leythervegas

They look nice but almost a full pound heavier than mine. Not sure pal.

paulneenan76

Anybody had a look at on-ones prototype c456 Evo?

Some way off I'd imagine but will be interesting to compare both models.

Paul

levolon

The Northern Monkey wrote:

Anyone running the 456 at 120mm travel?
Any good?

ran mine with rebas at 120mm and the bike was sound..

now got 150mm 20mm axle for stiffer front end and finding it a bit too lose now??

so maybe ill add some spacers and try 140-130 etc or even go back to 120 ?
i do prefer the 20mm axle after qr fitting though

aidieb

The Northern Monkey wrote:

Anyone running the 456 at 120mm travel?
Any good?

I've been running mine with a 120 Reba, straight steerer & QR for over a year, done loads of miles mainly XC stuff, I liked it enough to stick with it as even at 120 I find it a little bit "lifty & wandery" on steeper climbs.
I Recently bought a new Rockshox SID 120 with tapered steerer & 15mm maxle light. WOW what a difference so much more direct and solid than the old Reba which I though was pretty good anyway. I now find myself barging through things much faster than before as the fork can take it. The only downside is I'm occasionally hitting things with the rear a bit too hard now & getting more pinch punctures as a result.

I think it's got to come down to what type of riding you're planning but it works fine with a 120 & at 100 it turns into a real sharp steering single track rig.

levolon

well i did drop the sektor solo air forks to 120mm today and so glad i did

bike is all good again and goes where i point it!!! "i just cant see why 150mm is so popular as it killed mine handling wise" and i nearly sold the frame as so fed up with its horrid handling ??

VWsurfbum

anyone selling theirs? complete or frame and fork set?

paulneenan76

Chainsuck sucks




Managed to get away with little damage



Did myself a new ghetto tube protector (bit more robust one this time) and I added a couple of strategically placed cable ties on the chainstay, near to the ring, which will hopefully stop the chain from being sucked too far up! (though I'm not convinced.

Chains knackered according to the chain checker so hopefully I'll get away without having to replace cassette and crankset.

Paul

Neal_

New chain on worn chain ring is the absolute worst combo for chain suck so don't even bother fitting one until you've got new cogs, if the chain is 0.75% worn or more you'll likely need a new cassette and maybe even jockey wheels too...yes I have had an expensive month recently!

http://fagan.co.za/Bikes/Csuck/

Covering the chainstay with zip ties behind the rings does stop damage when it happens but doesn't really stop the chain getting jammed.

MrPhil

I also found certain chain lubes made the chains suck.

Best one I have tried is Muc Off C3, apply it properly and it is fine.

paulneenan76

All good advice, thanks

The chainsuck occurred once and not done it since, and only on the granny ring (which I don't use typically - bloody typical) which is a little worse for wear. The chain has been fine - good gear changes and no slipping etc., but I bought a chain checker and the reading came up as worn/time to replace!!
The middle chain ring looks ok, but as you say, a worn tooth profile is unlikely to work well with a new chain, so yes it's new crankset time. The cassette looks as good as new but is best replacing it also?

Hadnt thought about replacing the derailleur sprockets.

Paul

Plyphon

Having fun on the berms on the 456C

Plyphon

Also, C456 Evo photos:

http://instagram.com/p/ZbDMZmI-Kw/

&

http://instagram.com/p/ZgV6gJo-Nv/
http://instagram.com/p/ZdzKL3I-FC/

paulneenan76

Looking good - glad youre enjoying it.

I've asked a few questions on the c456 Evo - as you can see on that Instagram pic. Looking forward to seeing it develop.

PS - what's with the denim shorts?

Plyphon

I'm only 23 - Im young enough to wear denim without looking like Patrick Swayze

paulneenan76

Plyphon wrote:

I'm only 23 - Im young enough to wear denim without looking like Patrick Swayze

I was thinking more George Michael than Patrick Swayze, but as someone who is a little older than 23 yrs of age, I'll have to take your word for it ;D

twonks

Thought I'd update this thread and give it a little bump rather than start another of my own.
I started with a Scandal 26er, but always had a niggle about something with more travel up front.

So the Scandal was sold, the wheels and forks donated to my OHs bike and a C456 build began.

Finally got all the bits last week so built it this morning.




18" C456 frame (from the forum classifieds)
110 - 140mm U Turn Revelations (from classifieds)
Cheapy wheels (from classifieds ages ago)
Oro K24 brakes
Easton XC70 carbon bars
SLX crankset and BB
8 spd XT cassette and shifters
XTR shadow rear mech
Deore front mech
Exotic seat post and stem
Intense tyres

12.2KG as is and if I like the ride I'll be replacing the brakes and possibly wheels

leythervegas

Nice looking bike that twonks. Good spec and good colour combo. Let me know if you ever upgrade your forks, I'm after some of those!