Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

paulneenan76

Gotta say, I'm tempted to go the whole hog and get the forks I've just purchased changed back to 150. :7)

Collected frame on Saturday and it is mint. Not a scratch on it, decals are mint, has heli tape on in parts and the chainstay protector (inner tube attached to itself, not frame) will save me a job and looks better than most I've seen. Came with crown race and Hope Pick n Mix headset. Plus, he gave some advice and a few bits to make it fully enclosed cabling. Top guy (nice workshop/garage), lucky lucky me!!

junglist_matty

paulneenan76

junglist_matty wrote:

Junglist Matty - I've got your build post permenantly linked to my desk top!!

Any tips, hints, do's and dont's?

edoc

VWsurfbum wrote:

edoc wrote:

Spec :
18" Raw unfinished
1x9
DT Swiss EXM 150 LCII 15mm
Hope Pro2 15mm Fr, 10mm bolt up Rr.
DT Swiss EX500's w Conti Vertical 2.3
Hope M4/X2 Fr/Rr Tech Levers, braided hoses
Hope Floating Rotors 203/183 Fr/Rr
Hope BB
Hope Pick n Mix Headset
Race Face Atlas Cranks
NC17 Sud Pin III pedals
E13 40t Guide Ring
Straitline Silent Guide
Azonic Beretta Stem
Easton Monkey Bars 685mm
Deity Components Enoki Flanged Lock On Grips
Control Tech Post
Ragley Cheeky Saddle
LX Rear Mech
Ancient XT Shifter Ghetto mounted on Hope Matchmaker
11-32 Sram Cassette
Superstar H/set Spacers
Azonic QR seat clamp
KCNC Chainring Bolts.

OMG a fastback! I love my type 3's!

You sir have good taste

VWsurfbum

if you ever want to sell it

paulneenan76

Any advice on cable routing? Going full gear cable outer easy enough or is it filing down carbon?

edoc

The cable guides are actually aluminium but can be carefully drilled/filed to run full length outers

bails87

My forks are 150mm, it climbs okay. You have to pay attention on really steep stuff to keep the front planted, but on everything else you can just winch your way up.

paulneenan76

edoc wrote:

The cable guides are actually aluminium but can be carefully drilled/filed to run full length outers

Thanks, that sounds like a good, if not tricky, option. I've seen tie wraps but didn't look too good. I'll have to weigh it up. To be fair I have exposed cable running on the down tube of the current frame without a problem really. But it is slicker I think, though not sure if I'm confident to drill or file!!

paulneenan76

bails87 wrote:

My forks are 150mm, it climbs okay. You have to pay attention on really steep stuff to keep the front planted, but on everything else you can just winch your way up.

Your build is great, but your feedback on your forks at 150mm is making me think - should I take the spacer out and take the fork from 130 to 150 when I start the frame build? These have come to me at 130 but am thinking that starting big and spacing down if I find it too much travel, would best. Rockshox revelation Rlt dual airs.

Is 130mm a bit half hearted for this frame?

paulneenan76

BlueAdvocate wrote:

paulneenan76 wrote:

paul380 wrote:

Just looking at the on one website. They list an orange frame with white decals. Anyone seen a 456C this colour?

The website has no photos and a google image search turned up nothing.

I fancy buying this frame but wouldn't mind seeing it first!

Here you go - http://shedfire.posterous.com/new-c456-colours

You will see from Brant's post the yellow one is down as "green"; I guess this explains its green tinge.
Hopefully a better pic..

Hi Blueadvocate - did you get this frame built up yet?

Got any pics and how you finding it if you have?

Cheers

Paul

BlueAdvocate

Hi

my build's taking longer than I had hoped; I'll start a thread at some point.
Problem is I'm waiting on some finishing kit i.e. bars and stem; to come in stock but that could be nearly Xmas.

Deity Dirty 30/fantom stem (preferred)
Nukeproof Warhead
Easton Havoc (have these on my Trek)
RaceFace Atlas (785mm bars :shock: )


So I have a frame with a headset in (twas a bitch to fit); wheels attached with fork held in place with an old stem (bit of a rubbish effort up to now).
Been short on time due to work as well but hopefully get the BB, crankset and chain sorted at weekend, time permitting, I need to ride and have footy to watch you see.
Also waiting on shadow+ rear mech to come into stock at CRC.
Once I have the bars and stem I'll probably fit an old seatpost and pedals until what I want is available.
With respect to your comments above I've gone with 150 revs; I will try that first.

paulneenan76

BlueAdvocate wrote:

Hi

my build's taking longer than I had hoped; I'll start a thread at some point.
Problem is I'm waiting on some finishing kit i.e. bars and stem; to come in stock but that could be nearly Xmas.

Deity Dirty 30/fantom stem (preferred)
Nukeproof Warhead
Easton Havoc (have these on my Trek)
RaceFace Atlas (785mm bars :shock: )


So I have a frame with a headset in (twas a ***** to fit); wheels attached with fork held in place with an old stem (bit of a rubbish effort up to now).
Been short on time due to work as well but hopefully get the BB, crankset and chain sorted at weekend, time permitting, I need to ride and have footy to watch you see.
Also waiting on shadow+ rear mech to come into stock at CRC.
Once I have the bars and stem I'll probably fit an old seatpost and pedals until what I want is available.
With respect to your comments above I've gone with 150 revs; I will try that first.

Ha ha I'm in a similar boat. Time is non existent at the moment and its only going to get worse in December. And like you, I'm also waiting to get my hand on a few key bits - cos they will be under the Christmas tree next week and will remain till the 25th - although ive ordered a bionicon chainguide and a few gold bits as a gift to me - cos I'm worth it!!!!
- so my build won't get under way until the 28th at least!! Apparently the pick n mix headset my frame came with is easy to fit (but we'll see) so may attemp this myself.

Ive had the forks and frame for nearly a week now and I'm itching to get started! In the mean time, I've got on with a little extra frame protection using some matte tape from paragon tapes.

Yep, thats it, I've made the decision to start off with 150mm of travel on the Revs and work from there.

paulneenan76

And so it begins....

eebygum

Here's my offering:





Spec:
456C 18" raw carbon finish
Fox Floats 140 32R
XT drivetrain
Avid Elixir Cr brakes
Hope Hoops
Crank Bros Cobalt3/Iodine finishing kit
Crank Bros Eggbeaters
Hope Gunsmoke topcap, barplugs
On-One grips and bignose saddle

Bloody lovely bike, I'll have another of the same when I break this one

paulneenan76

eebygum wrote:

Here's my offering:





Spec:
456C 18" raw carbon finish
Fox Floats 140 32R
XT drivetrain
Avid Elixir Cr brakes
Hope Hoops
Crank Bros Cobalt3/Iodine finishing kit
Crank Bros Eggbeaters
Hope Gunsmoke topcap, barplugs
On-One grips and bignose saddle

Bloody lovely bike, I'll have another of the same when I break this one

That's a nice build. Seems we'll end up with a few matte versions on this thread.

Are you running full gear cable outers?
I can see a few patches for cable rub and the tube/lezyne seat stay protection - have you protected the frame anywhere else?
Any sign of chainsuck?

Lovely C455 - the finishing kit looks very cool.

Portrush Philly

Matte Carbon 456, 20'', El Diablo



RS Reba SL
Mavic Crossrides
Conti Mountain King (now 2.4's)
Truvati Carbon Noir XC Chainset
Sram XO carbon Shifters
Sram XO carbon rear mech
Sram X9 front mech
Sram 990 red Cassette
Sram 991 Chain
Carbon stroker F&R disc brakes
FSA K-Force Carbon XC bars
FSA Carbon seatpost
Selle Italia Ti Flite saddle
Hope Red seat clamp
Hope black Headset
Crank Bros Eggbeater SL pedals
Thomson elite 4x stem
Peaty grips
Superstar carbon QR's

70\ʹspenguin

Im going to be stoned alive for saying this but, to me, these frames just dont look right with anything less than 140mm of travel. *runs*

eebygum

Cheers Paul,

I protected the frame around the headtube with a bit of helitape on the obvious rub spots, but I had real trouble getting tape to stick over the angles of the downtube, hence the innertube wrap.

Chainsuck......I have had real problems with this and dont have a good solution. I'm running a triple and the clearance isn't great and I get chainsuck every ride resulting in nasty gouges into the carbon. Thankfully I know that the chainstays are over-engineered so these gouges should not compromise the frame integrity.
I've tried helitape, innertube and cableties and clean my chain after every ride, but still have problems. My advice ( and others will hopefully have alternatives) would be simply not to run a triple.

Hope that helps

eebygum

Portrush Philly wrote:

Matte Carbon 456, 20'', El Diablo



RS Reba SL
Mavic Crossrides
Conti Mountain King (now 2.4's)
Truvati Carbon Noir XC Chainset
Sram XO carbon Shifters
Sram XO carbon rear mech
Sram X9 front mech
Sram 990 red Cassette
Sram 991 Chain
Carbon stroker F&R disc brakes
FSA K-Force Carbon XC bars
FSA Carbon seatpost
Selle Italia Ti Flite saddle
Hope Red seat clamp
Hope black Headset
Crank Bros Eggbeater SL pedals
Thomson elite 4x stem
Peaty grips
Superstar carbon QR's

Nice build, how much does she weigh? I''m betting sub 25

paulneenan76

70\'sPenguin wrote:

Im going to be stoned alive for saying this but, to me, these frames just dont look right with anything less than 140mm of travel. *runs*

No stone, maybe a small pebble - they all look good but I think they look best over 130mm with a short stem.

paulneenan76

eebygum wrote:

Cheers Paul,

I protected the frame around the headtube with a bit of helitape on the obvious rub spots, but I had real trouble getting tape to stick over the angles of the downtube, hence the innertube wrap.

Chainsuck......I have had real problems with this and dont have a good solution. I'm running a triple and the clearance isn't great and I get chainsuck every ride resulting in nasty gouges into the carbon. Thankfully I know that the chainstays are over-engineered so these gouges should not compromise the frame integrity.
I've tried helitape, innertube and cableties and clean my chain after every ride, but still have problems. My advice ( and others will hopefully have alternatives) would be simply not to run a triple.

Hope that helps

Luckily for me, the chap I got my frame from spent time and money on frame protection, and I've just removed a couple of patches (they werent matte look) and replaced it/added some matte look tape from paragon tapes (works a treat and whilst you can see it, it blends nicely). He used a tube for the chainstay but has done it in such a way that it is bonded to itself and not the stay, and then covered parts of it with masking tape or similar. The downtube solution is interesting too. From what I can see there is one solid piece of protection running down most of it and covered with tape. It doesn't stand out or detract from the frame but it should add to what is already a heavily built part of the frame. I'll take a pick or two.

I'll be running a triple and the chap who just put up the El Diablo C456 is running triple too I think with no obvious chain suck markings - someone must have a solution.

I got a bionicon v2 chain guide (chap on this thread has one too) for a 3rd of the price yesterday - we'll see if it helps once the bikes complete.

Paul

paulneenan76

Single, Double, Triple? What is your tip to reduce/eliminate chainsuck on your C456?

Paul

Portrush Philly

@ eebygum, you're right, just over 24lb

JMcP92

Another possible question - Bar width?
I'd ordered a set of bars on offer, ended up returning them cos they were 600mm and it was just too thin to be usable I felt. The other options I have seems to be either 660mm or 750mm, what is best?

paulneenan76

JMcP92 wrote:

Another possible question - Bar width?
I'd ordered a set of bars on offer, ended up returning them cos they were 600mm and it was just too thin to be usable I felt. The other options I have seems to be either 660mm or 750mm, what is best?

How do you mean thin? do you mean narrow?

It's dependent on where you ride and how much room you like at the controls/body positioning. I had a discussion about this with my brother on Saturday mornings ride. There are 3 trails which are tight and twisty tree sections and we decided that under 650mm would be too narrow and slow but over 750 and you would be pinging off trees left right and centre. We both have around 680 currently and my new bars from On One are 685mm.

I would say 750 would be ok. You can always cut them down. Try On One or Superstar for there risers - might have money off, the are good, and you get colour choices.

Paul

Plyphon

Do any off the shelf chainstay protectors fit the 456?

Debating ghetto tube method vs something else

paulneenan76

Plyphon wrote:

Do any off the shelf chainstay protectors fit the 456?

Debating ghetto tube method vs something else

The large Lezyne ones do. However I wouldn't do it in isolation, cos ya chain will destroy it, but over the top of an inner tube (ghetto). Alternatively go to www.biketart.com and buy some frame wrap!! This gives the same result as an old innertube, looks a bit neater, but is obviously not free like an old tube!! Although its hardly expensive ;D

I would still put a lezyne poly protector on as well - if there's room. I like the Ghetto look, depending what colour frame.

JMcP92

paulneenan76 wrote:

JMcP92 wrote:

Another possible question - Bar width?
I'd ordered a set of bars on offer, ended up returning them cos they were 600mm and it was just too thin to be usable I felt. The other options I have seems to be either 660mm or 750mm, what is best?

How do you mean thin? do you mean narrow?

It's dependent on where you ride and how much room you like at the controls/body positioning. I had a discussion about this with my brother on Saturday mornings ride. There are 3 trails which are tight and twisty tree sections and we decided that under 650mm would be too narrow and slow but over 750 and you would be pinging off trees left right and centre. We both have around 680 currently and my new bars from On One are 685mm.

I would say 750 would be ok. You can always cut them down. Try On One or Superstar for there risers - might have money off, the are good, and you get colour choices.

Paul

Aye, I mean narrow, 600mm just felt too narrow in my hands, so I sent it back.

Issue of a 750mm is I can't cut it down as it's a carbon bar I'm getting, cutting it is ill advised. So I have a choice of 660 or 750. Have to decide when the time comes I suppose, plenty bits to buy yet.

paulneenan76

Ah carbon, cool. Well I'd suggest it'd be best to go wider then - 750 isn't super wide, over 800 is. I doubt you'll notice 660mm over the 600 you sent back so if it was me I'd go 750. Is this a super deal with only 3 size options then?

What stem have you chosen? And are the bars compatible 31.6mm these days.

What else have you planned to get for the build??