Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Nick Fitt wrote:
    Hm, I'm not wildly convinced by the UCI establishing a fully independent committee to look at the UCI so that the UCI Management Committee can take action on the results. Sounds like the independent committee will say all looks good now carry on, oh and no dopers can return to the sport or work for s cycling team (except maybe Garmin)"


    ...no comments/implications about any upcoming change at the UCI, just an independent vote of confidence in their future plans


    I think everyone will be on the look out for it not being a repeat of this farce
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-wad ... ans-report
  • Lichtblick
    Lichtblick Posts: 1,434
    Richmond Racer wrote:

    Here you is

    ...........

    The prize money is awarded to the winner as an individual, not to the team. The practice is for it to be shared amongst the team. What the rider does with it is really immaterial - that's the rider's look-out - with the money being demanded back of him as an individual (though the thought of Lance asking George, Vaughters, Tyler etc to give back their cuts to him, is very funny :lol: )

    Good answer, thanks RR.
  • jerry3571
    jerry3571 Posts: 1,532
    Just wondering if Lance's 7 Tour de France results have nulified then the next Tour de France should be the 93rd; not the 100th?? Am I right??

    Jerry
    “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein

    "You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
    -Jacques Anquetil
  • Lichtblick
    Lichtblick Posts: 1,434
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    The prize money is awarded to the winner as an individual, not to the team. The practice is for it to be shared amongst the team. What the rider does with it is really immaterial - that's the rider's look-out - with the money being demanded back of him as an individual (though the thought of Lance asking George, Vaughters, Tyler etc to give back their cuts to him, is very funny :lol: )

    In Hamilton's book, Lance persuaded him to give his (Hamilton's) cut to Livestrong (making it sound like a cool thing to do) one year. $7,500, $17,500? Can't remember which.
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    jerry3571 wrote:
    Just wondering if Lance's 7 Tour de France results have nulified then the next Tour de France should be the 93rd; not the 100th?? Am I right??

    Jerry

    No.

    The race was still held, it's only the results being annulled, not the race itself.
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    Just saw this on Wikipedia. Makes me feel sad that Armstrong is the cause of the biggest blank period in the timeline, the other two being WW1 & WW2 :(

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  • jerry3571
    jerry3571 Posts: 1,532
    I kind of guessed. Funny though. :wink:

    Jerry
    “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein

    "You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
    -Jacques Anquetil
  • jerry3571
    jerry3571 Posts: 1,532
    So why are the results for Ullrich, Pantani, Riis, Contador still valid? Is this cycling's famous double standards again?
    “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein

    "You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
    -Jacques Anquetil
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    jerry3571 wrote:
    So why are the results for Ullrich, Pantani, Riis, Contador still valid? Is this cycling's famous double standards again?

    Valid question. I don't know the answer.
  • k-dog
    k-dog Posts: 1,652
    jerry3571 wrote:
    So why are the results for Ullrich, Pantani, Riis, Contador still valid? Is this cycling's famous double standards again?

    Yep, I've been saying that for a while - Clearly those 3 should be vacated and probably Indurain, Roche, Fignon (I think I read something in the last few days where he described being pushed into doping) and quite a few more. Tons of stage wins should be reassigned too.
    I'm left handed, if that matters.
  • skylla
    skylla Posts: 758
    edited October 2012
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    Just saw this on Wikipedia. Makes me feel sad that Armstrong is the cause of the biggest blank period in the timeline, the other two being WW1 & WW2 :(

    >>snip<<

    back in the days, commentators used to say that no mortal soul has or ever can win the tour more than five times. It was a given, like the holy trinity, the seven seas and, uh, the 8 world wonders. yup.
  • BillyMansell
    BillyMansell Posts: 817
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    jerry3571 wrote:
    So why are the results for Ullrich, Pantani, Riis, Contador still valid? Is this cycling's famous double standards again?

    Valid question. I don't know the answer.
    It's Wikipedia. Not the most accurate or qualified reference material ever written.
  • skylla
    skylla Posts: 758
    BillyMansell wrote:
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    jerry3571 wrote:
    So why are the results for Ullrich, Pantani, Riis, Contador still valid? Is this cycling's famous double standards again?

    Valid question. I don't know the answer.
    It's Wikipedia. Not the most accurate or qualified reference material ever written.

    Because they have never been officially annulled. Me thinks ASO scrapped Riis' name for a couple of years, but then put it back.

    Edit: of course Contador's has, and it now says A.Schleck. Same for Landis.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fsport%2Fsykkel%2Fartikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10055415

    It will be interesting to read a proper translation of this... 2.4 million that was supposed to go to Livestrong Charity for LA appearance in Norway, and it might not have reached them.

    Wait for a proper translation though, it'll be a big story if its true, surely?

    Some of the google translate:
    The price tag should have come at 2.4 million.

    The money would go to Armstrong's own cancer organization, Livestrong. Now it is uncertain how the amount actually ended up.
    When the money was transferred, the message from the manager that the money went to Lance - not to Livestrong. There was talk of 2.4 million, in addition to private aircraft
    I remember that we put the money in an account that is at least contained the word "Livestrong" in them, he said.
  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    Would you give money to a charity started by a cheat, bully and a liar ?

    No. Neither would I.
  • samiam
    samiam Posts: 227
    k-dog wrote:
    jerry3571 wrote:
    So why are the results for Ullrich, Pantani, Riis, Contador still valid? Is this cycling's famous double standards again?

    Yep, I've been saying that for a while - Clearly those 3 should be vacated and probably Indurain, Roche, Fignon (I think I read something in the last few days where he described being pushed into doping) and quite a few more. Tons of stage wins should be reassigned too.

    I think it's time to restart the whole record book. With a new cycling federation. Otherwise there is no way to redeem cycling.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    Would you give money to a charity started by a cheat, bully and a liar ?

    No. Neither would I.

    I'm not following your point. Of course people wouldn't. So what are you saying? :?
  • jerry3571
    jerry3571 Posts: 1,532
    edited October 2012
    BillyMansell wrote:
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    jerry3571 wrote:
    So why are the results for Ullrich, Pantani, Riis, Contador still valid? Is this cycling's famous double standards again?

    Valid question. I don't know the answer.
    It's Wikipedia. Not the most accurate or qualified reference material ever written.

    It's a job to keep up with who's won what these days which ever website it is. Bringing in other races like Giro, Vuelta and smaller Tours must give the UCI website Team a headache on a massive scale.
    There must be someone at the UCI re hashing all the deviod UCI points. Crazy stuff.

    Jerry
    “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein

    "You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
    -Jacques Anquetil
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    samiam wrote:

    I think it's time to restart the whole record book. With a new cycling federation. Otherwise there is no way to redeem cycling.

    Redeem cycling? What did cycling do? Cycling didn't do a damn thing. It's simply a sport in which many people participate. Did the sport get out of hand? No. People are the problem, not the bicycle or the sport. Take a look around you. Do you know anyone who has quit riding bikes because of a doping scandal in the sport? Blaming cycling for anything makes about as much sense as blaming the fridge because you put a water bottle in the freezer section, then forgot about it, and it exploded. I don't believe I know anyone who is speaking ill of riding a bicycle(with the exception of possibly you), so redeeming it is a bit of a stretch.
  • samiam
    samiam Posts: 227
    dennisn wrote:
    samiam wrote:

    I think it's time to restart the whole record book. With a new cycling federation. Otherwise there is no way to redeem cycling.

    Redeem cycling? What did cycling do? Cycling didn't do a damn thing. It's simply a sport in which many people participate. Did the sport get out of hand? No. People are the problem, not the bicycle or the sport. Take a look around you. Do you know anyone who has quit riding bikes because of a doping scandal in the sport? Blaming cycling for anything makes about as much sense as blaming the fridge because you put a water bottle in the freezer section, then forgot about it, and it exploded. I don't believe I know anyone who is speaking ill of riding a bicycle(with the exception of possibly you), so redeeming it is a bit of a stretch.

    'Professional Cycling' ie. the point of this thread and forum. You are being pedantic.

    It should have been clear, even to you. The UCI has nothing to do with recreational cycling..... duh..
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Does the word "bully" have some other meaning over on that side of the pond? It's mentioned in posts a lot and almost in a fearful tone, as if it meant sadistic killer or something along those lines. Here it's simply someone who thinks he or she is a sort of hot shot and tries to push around whomever will let them.
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    What, you mean like someone to look up to and admire? Someone who's strong when others are weak?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    samiam wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    samiam wrote:

    I think it's time to restart the whole record book. With a new cycling federation. Otherwise there is no way to redeem cycling.

    Redeem cycling? What did cycling do? Cycling didn't do a damn thing. It's simply a sport in which many people participate. Did the sport get out of hand? No. People are the problem, not the bicycle or the sport. Take a look around you. Do you know anyone who has quit riding bikes because of a doping scandal in the sport? Blaming cycling for anything makes about as much sense as blaming the fridge because you put a water bottle in the freezer section, then forgot about it, and it exploded. I don't believe I know anyone who is speaking ill of riding a bicycle(with the exception of possibly you), so redeeming it is a bit of a stretch.

    'Professional Cycling' ie. the point of this thread and forum. You are being pedantic.

    It should have been clear, even to you. The UCI has nothing to do with recreational cycling..... duh..

    I agree, pro race is this threads thing. And I know I'm being a bit pendatic. But aren't you being a little unrealistic in blaming some organization or sport for the actions of men? UCI and Pro Racing and recreational riding are not to blame for anything. This whole mess was created by human greed. Blaming some organization is like saying car company X builds crummy cars. No, car company X doesn't build crummy cars. Humans build crummy cars.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    What, you mean like someone to look up to and admire? Someone who's strong when others are weak?

    No. It's just that it gets used a lot, and like I said, almost in a fearful way.

    If you look up to bullies, well....

    I don't believe too many people will buy your idea that bullies are strong. They wouldn't be bullies if they were, wouldn't have to.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    You ve been "had" again dennis

    2 in days from OCU!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    dennisn wrote:
    samiam wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    samiam wrote:

    I think it's time to restart the whole record book. With a new cycling federation. Otherwise there is no way to redeem cycling.

    Redeem cycling? What did cycling do? Cycling didn't do a damn thing. It's simply a sport in which many people participate. Did the sport get out of hand? No. People are the problem, not the bicycle or the sport. Take a look around you. Do you know anyone who has quit riding bikes because of a doping scandal in the sport? Blaming cycling for anything makes about as much sense as blaming the fridge because you put a water bottle in the freezer section, then forgot about it, and it exploded. I don't believe I know anyone who is speaking ill of riding a bicycle(with the exception of possibly you), so redeeming it is a bit of a stretch.

    'Professional Cycling' ie. the point of this thread and forum. You are being pedantic.

    It should have been clear, even to you. The UCI has nothing to do with recreational cycling..... duh..

    I agree, pro race is this threads thing. And I know I'm being a bit pendatic. But aren't you being a little unrealistic in blaming some organization or sport for the actions of men? UCI and Pro Racing and recreational riding are not to blame for anything. This whole mess was created by human greed. Blaming some organization is like saying car company X builds crummy cars. No, car company X doesn't build crummy cars. Humans build crummy cars.
    What are you withering on about. Of course car companies build cars. Maybe it is just a figment of my imagination when I go to work for my company and really i am just squatting for 8 hours in a field somewhere imagining it all.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    We did nt want to say anything Nathan but.....

    ;)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    In other news, UCI is planning to use Lance's image as mascot for next year's World Championships:

    db9194c115df4c4e50f8c326938dca15.jpg

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/italian-race-organizers-unveil-pinocchio-as-world-championships-mascot_262683
  • jerry3571
    jerry3571 Posts: 1,532
    nathancom wrote:
    In other news, UCI is planning to use Lance's image as mascot for next year's World Championships:

    db9194c115df4c4e50f8c326938dca15.jpg

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/italian-race-organizers-unveil-pinocchio-as-world-championships-mascot_262683

    Must admit I don't laugh that much as I'm a miserable goat but that did make me laugh. :D

    Cheers for that.

    Jerry
    “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein

    "You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
    -Jacques Anquetil
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Hows and Whos - challenges of getting back the prize money

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/ ... hom_262704


    Financial bloggers and journos already writing about the tax implications for Lance etc over historical tax breaks gained on the income in question.

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