Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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Breaking News!
Boston Athletic Association to strip Armstrong of 497th place in 2008 Boston Marathon*.
Seems incredibly petty. 497th four years ago? Who cares?
*http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/10/24/lance-armstrong-likely-will-have-boston-marathon-time-vacated/HQMjPeANPwOPLQpR7tQEYL/story.html0 -
I am developing a huge respect for Marcel Kittel.
He could totally take the skinny Spanish climbers in a fight.
8) I mean he looks like the child of Dolph Lundgren. Correlation is not causation.0 -
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290, ... 69,00.html
"Team Sky can confirm that Bobby Julich has left the team after two seasons as Race Coach.
After the team reaffirmed its position on anti-doping last week, Bobby has disclosed having taken a banned substance in his past as a professional rider in the late 1990’s.
Team Principal Dave Brailsford said: “Bobby has shown courage in admitting to the errors he made long before his time with Team Sky. We understand that this is a difficult step for him and we’ve done our best to support him.
“It’s important to emphasise that there have been no doubts about his work with us or his approach as a coach. He has done a good job and been a good colleague during his two years with us. Bobby has our best wishes for the future.
“We’ve made clear our commitment to being a clean team and been open about the steps we’re taking. Although it’s never easy to part, we believe this is the right thing to do.”"0 -
I think this is going to get silly now. Come on Sean, lets hear it? Everyone knows it or are you the only one who has no knowledge and never did the big D even after reportedly failing a test?0
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Nick Fitt wrote:I think this is going to get silly now. Come on Sean, lets hear it? Everyone knows it or are you the only one who has no knowledge and never did the big D even after reportedly failing a test?
Alright, alright. I'm sure there'll be enough P45s flying around to keep you happy0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Nick Fitt wrote:I think this is going to get silly now. Come on Sean, lets hear it? Everyone knows it or are you the only one who has no knowledge and never did the big D even after reportedly failing a test?
Alright, alright. I'm sure there'll be enough P45s flying around to keep you happy
Thats my point, its going to get silly... Sky is known as a clean team, if it starts to sack all of its experienced staff, and most of the other retired cycklists probably have touched the dark side to a greater or lesser degree than current youngsters, who is going to DS at Sky? Surely they have not thought this through. If Sean Yates goes, which he must, name his replacement?
If he does not go, Sky are as bad as all the rest. Its silly.0 -
Nick Fitt wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Nick Fitt wrote:I think this is going to get silly now. Come on Sean, lets hear it? Everyone knows it or are you the only one who has no knowledge and never did the big D even after reportedly failing a test?
Alright, alright. I'm sure there'll be enough P45s flying around to keep you happy
Thats my point, its going to get silly... Sky is known as a clean team, if it starts to sack all of its experienced staff, and most of the other retired cycklists probably have touched the dark side to a greater or lesser degree than current youngsters, who is going to DS at Sky? Surely they have not thought this through. If Sean Yates goes, which he must, name his replacement?
If he does not go, Sky are as bad as all the rest. Its silly.
I know, I know. I fully expect to be called upon to drive one of the team cars in the GTs. At this rate, you might have to be my co-driver
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OCDuPalais wrote:ddraver wrote:Turfle wrote:Yeah he's getting lots of positive feedback. Just the one naysayer that I saw - shockingly, that w as a Spanish gentleman.
Tweeted him as well, and Andrew McQuaid....god I need to come home!
Holed up in Eastern Russia... "need to come home"... You're not in Pussy Riot are you dd?
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I was last night......
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Anyway, Wow, dennisn you contributed something to the conversation there. Guess what, it was actually a good point, well made too. Keep it up bud!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Richmond Racer wrote:I know, I know. I fully expect to be called upon to drive one of the team cars in the GTs. At this rate, you might have to be my co-driver
Shotgun for the jumpseat. I can change a wheel pretty quick.I'm left handed, if that matters.0 -
Reading Bobby's confession it is interesting to note what he says of CSC. That is him and CVV now. So much for it being a team full of dopers and doping being encouraged by management.Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:Reading Bobby's confession it is interesting to note what he says of CSC. That is him and CVV now. So much for it being a team full of dopers and doping being encouraged by management.
Yes, I think you've got a point here. It seems that in the case of many spaniards the doping was perhaps arranged at a national level, rather than organised by teams through the DS & MD involvement. I'm guessing we'll find out more when the Puerto case is discussed in 2013.
In regards to AC, shame his recent statements are not more strongly worded in denouncing dopers. I remember that even LA could be rather venomous in attacking [caught] dopers. But then again, the latter was all smoke and mirrors, whereas the former is seemingly still in awe of a fallen hero. Got to admire his guts and honesty, though.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Reading Bobby's confession it is interesting to note what he says of CSC. That is him and CVV now. So much for it being a team full of dopers and doping being encouraged by management.
For me, the revealing statement about CSC is: "That being said, what happened before the 2006 Tour de France changed my outlook into what we all thought we were buying into when we joined that team"0 -
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bipedal wrote:...
For me, the revealing statement about CSC is: "That being said, what happened before the 2006 Tour de France changed my outlook into what we all thought we were buying into when we joined that team"
that stuck our for me too, but I don't know what it means. Can you explain please?--
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Rick Chasey wrote:I'm tired with all this. Any cycling to distract us? Oh.
IAt this rate t might come to having to dissect weekend club runs.
When does the Aussie domestic season start?
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Rick Chasey wrote:I'm tired with all this. Any cycling to distract us? Oh.
Here's an idea. Let's not post on this thread for 2 days and go riding instead. Nothing will happen that will really have a ton of meaning whether we comment on it or not.0 -
k-dog wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:I know, I know. I fully expect to be called upon to drive one of the team cars in the GTs. At this rate, you might have to be my co-driver
Shotgun for the jumpseat. I can change a wheel pretty quick.
That's good. I'm pretty confident I can handle the one-handed steering whilst nonchalently leaning out of the window and talking to commissaires. I've also already booked to be out for the Giro 17th-27th May, so basically I'm already there for Sky.0 -
Hmm, part of the problem is people have very short memories...andrewjoseph wrote:bipedal wrote:...
For me, the revealing statement about CSC is: "That being said, what happened before the 2006 Tour de France changed my outlook into what we all thought we were buying into when we joined that team"
that stuck our for me too, but I don't know what it means. Can you explain please?
CSC rider Ivan Basso, that year's Giro winner, got implicated on the eve of the Tour de France via Operation Puerto, so he was pulled from the race. Prior to that people had been talking up his chances of winning both Giro and Tour that year.
I was on a local bus in northern Italy at the time and the driver had the radio on, when there was this newsflash and he yanked the volume up so we (me and a handful of elderly ladies returning with the daily groceries) had no choice but to listen to the report.0 -
dennisn wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:I'm tired with all this. Any cycling to distract us? Oh.
Here's an idea. Let's not post on this thread for 2 days and go riding instead. Nothing will happen that will really have a ton of meaning whether we comment on it or not.
In that case, why restrict yourself to a measly two days?0 -
FTFYskylla wrote:dennisn wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:I'm tired with all this. Any cycling to distract us? Oh.
Here's an idea. Let's not post on this thread for 2 days and go riding instead. Nothing will happen that will really have a ton of meaning whether we comment on it or not.
In your case, why restrict yourself to a measly two days?0 -
dennisn wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:I'm tired with all this. Any cycling to distract us? Oh.
Here's an idea. Let's not post on this thread for 2 days and go riding instead. Nothing will happen that will really have a ton of meaning whether we comment on it or not.
...and we re backWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Richmond Racer wrote:Nick Fitt wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Nick Fitt wrote:I think this is going to get silly now. Come on Sean, lets hear it? Everyone knows it or are you the only one who has no knowledge and never did the big D even after reportedly failing a test?
Alright, alright. I'm sure there'll be enough P45s flying around to keep you happy
Thats my point, its going to get silly... Sky is known as a clean team, if it starts to sack all of its experienced staff, and most of the other retired cycklists probably have touched the dark side to a greater or lesser degree than current youngsters, who is going to DS at Sky? Surely they have not thought this through. If Sean Yates goes, which he must, name his replacement?
If he does not go, Sky are as bad as all the rest. Its silly.
I know, I know. I fully expect to be called upon to drive one of the team cars in the GTs. At this rate, you might have to be my co-driver
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and for any idiots who say 'hell, let them all just dope'...this should be compulsory reading
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/39997062/0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:
To me this quote from CB below hits the nail on the head, a 2 year back datable ban is useless. Doping riders can make big money from the GTs, thus if they can get away with it for a few years, doping is very worthwhile; all that awaits therm IF they get caught is the ban, then a job at Garmin but they are wealthy too!
"Personally I've always been in favour of life bans, but they are very hard to enforce. I really believe in the concept of making the risk greater than than the reward. For cycling to become credible whatever comes next has to have proper teeth."0 -
Le Commentateur wrote:
Hmm, part of the problem is people have very short memories...andrewjoseph wrote:bipedal wrote:...
For me, the revealing statement about CSC is: "That being said, what happened before the 2006 Tour de France changed my outlook into what we all thought we were buying into when we joined that team"
that stuck our for me too, but I don't know what it means. Can you explain please?
CSC rider Ivan Basso, that year's Giro winner, got implicated on the eve of the Tour de France via Operation Puerto, so he was pulled from the race. Prior to that people had been talking up his chances of winning both Giro and Tour that year.
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thanks for that. my ignorance is not due to memory loss, but pure ignorance. I didn't start following racing until 2008 or so. I've read about puerto but didn't associate Julich's statement with it.--
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andrewjoseph wrote:Le Commentateur wrote:
Hmm, part of the problem is people have very short memories...andrewjoseph wrote:bipedal wrote:...
For me, the revealing statement about CSC is: "That being said, what happened before the 2006 Tour de France changed my outlook into what we all thought we were buying into when we joined that team"
that stuck our for me too, but I don't know what it means. Can you explain please?
CSC rider Ivan Basso, that year's Giro winner, got implicated on the eve of the Tour de France via Operation Puerto, so he was pulled from the race. Prior to that people had been talking up his chances of winning both Giro and Tour that year.
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thanks for that. my ignorance is not due to memory loss, but pure ignorance. I didn't start following racing until 2008 or so. I've read about puerto but didn't associate Julich's statement with it.
The picture emerging of CSC at that time is that Riis was sending his top riders to Fuentes for "training plans" thus keeping "training plans" at arms-length from the team; it's sounding, though, that provision of "training plans" wasn't as organised and team-wide at CSC as it was at Postal... which may explain why they didn't win the Tour...0 -
bipedal wrote:...
The picture emerging of CSC at that time is that Riis was sending his top riders to Fuentes for "training plans" thus keeping "training plans" at arms-length from the team; it's sounding, though, that provision of "training plans" wasn't as organised and team-wide at CSC as it was at Postal... which may explain why they didn't win the Tour...
even more enlightening. thanks--
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yeah, I'd agree with your conclusion, bipedal0
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boardman speaks a lot of sense in both his punsihment and his views of the future of the UCI - pretty much everyone who wants to see the end of doping wants to see the end of mcquaid and verbruggen, but I really cant see them voluntarily goingdont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0
