Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

Richmond Racer

Marcel Kitten is spitting feathers (carbon ones, prob)

Tweet 1: 'I feel SICK when I read that Contador, Sanchez and Indurain still support Armstrong. How does someone want to be credible by saying that?'

Tweet 2: ' I mean, it makes it all worse. They should play their false games somewhere else. Or do they ride for money instead of joy?! #weirdpeople

ilm_zero7

Richmond Racer wrote:

Marcel Kitten is spitting feathers (carbon ones, prob)

Tweet 1: 'I feel SICK when I read that Contador, Sanchez and Indurain still support Armstrong. How does someone want to be credible by saying that?'

Tweet 2: ' I mean, it makes it all worse. They should play their false games somewhere else. Or do they ride for money instead of joy?! #weirdpeople

Marcel, has just gone up in my admiration league!

ddraver

I'm rapidly gaining respect for Herr Kittel. I'm struggling to find places to put it...

slim_boy_fat

It's great to see riders responding in that way, proof that the omerta is not all encompassing.

LeicesterLad

Good on Marcel.

I might have to start admitting defeat with Contador.

Lost a lot of respect for him and Samu.

Nick Fitt

ILM Zero7 wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Marcel Kitten is spitting feathers (carbon ones, prob)

Tweet 1: 'I feel SICK when I read that Contador, Sanchez and Indurain still support Armstrong. How does someone want to be credible by saying that?'

Tweet 2: ' I mean, it makes it all worse. They should play their false games somewhere else. Or do they ride for money instead of joy?! #weirdpeople

Marcel, has just gone up in my admiration league!

Yup, its going to make fascinating racing; Spain versus the RoW

rdt

Richmond Racer wrote:

Marcel Kitten is spitting feathers (carbon ones, prob)

Tweet 1: 'I feel SICK when I read that Contador, Sanchez and Indurain still support Armstrong. How does someone want to be credible by saying that?'

Tweet 2: ' I mean, it makes it all worse. They should play their false games somewhere else. Or do they ride for money instead of joy?! #weirdpeople

These (largely Spanish) flat-earthers may as well just hang out banners saying "Unreformed Palmares-Protecting Doper Here".

I'm looking forward to some 2013 TdF road graffiti nuggets.

Richmond Racer

Slim Boy Fat wrote:

It's great to see riders responding in that way, proof that the omerta is not all encompassing.

The young guns (apart from les espanoles) dont seem so bound by the omerta..

Turfle

A few positive tweets to Marcel wouldn't go amiss.

ddraver

Richmond Racer wrote:

Slim Boy Fat wrote:

It's great to see riders responding in that way, proof that the omerta is not all encompassing.

The young guns (apart from les espanoles) dont seem so bound by the omerta..

Can only be a good thing.....

Richmond Racer

ddraver wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Slim Boy Fat wrote:

It's great to see riders responding in that way, proof that the omerta is not all encompassing.

The young guns (apart from les espanoles) dont seem so bound by the omerta..

Can only be a good thing.....

Agree. It will take a few years until the older ones retire, but I can see a different attitude across the peloton as more and more young riders come into the ranks...and perhaps the Spanish can be sorted out in the meantime...

Pross

Turfle wrote:

A few positive tweets to Marcel wouldn't go amiss.

Already done after his tweet a few days back, only the 8th tweet I've sent in 2 years or so of being on Twitter. From what I saw he was getting a lot of support.

Dorset_Boy

Kittell is coming across really well.

The Spanish should just be thrown out - they are embarassing themselves, and like Lance, Fat Pat & Hein, show that they should have no place in the sport.

ddraver

Pross wrote:

Turfle wrote:

A few positive tweets to Marcel wouldn't go amiss.

Already done after his tweet a few days back, only the 8th tweet I've sent in 2 years or so of being on Twitter. From what I saw he was getting a lot of support.

Done Twice today... :oops:

LangerDan

Richmond Racer wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Slim Boy Fat wrote:

It's great to see riders responding in that way, proof that the omerta is not all encompassing.

The young guns (apart from les espanoles) dont seem so bound by the omerta..

Can only be a good thing.....

Agree. It will take a few years until the older ones retire, but I can see a different attitude across the peloton as more and more young riders come into the ranks...and perhaps the Spanish can be sorted out in the meantime...

Perhaps the younger riders are more embracing of social media that allows them direct expression of their opinions without being seen to go chatting up journos etc?

Don't they have Twitter in Spain?

ilm_zero7

Dorset Boy wrote:

The Spanish should just be thrown out - they are embarassing themselves, and like Lance, Fat Pat & Hein, show that they should have no place in the sport.

+1

prawny

Pross wrote:

Turfle wrote:

A few positive tweets to Marcel wouldn't go amiss.

Already done after his tweet a few days back, only the 8th tweet I've sent in 2 years or so of being on Twitter. From what I saw he was getting a lot of support.

Me too, Marcel is a flipping legend in the making.

Turfle

Yeah he's getting lots of positive feedback. Just the one naysayer that I saw - shockingly, that was a Spanish gentleman.

deejay

Stanley222 wrote:

Nick Fitt wrote:

- have come back negative. Either the controls don't serve any purpose or Armstrong was legit. The whole case is based on witnesses,

He has however got a point surely?!
How did he pass over 220 tests?
Is the testing system flawed?

No one here mentions his TUE which eliminates most of the testing procedures for other riders.

He says he is still fighting cancer, so therefore he gets a big Therapeutic EXEMPTION and the 200 odd tests don't amount to much.

Has McQuaid got a TUE for being so dumb. :?:
(sorry I put an "a" in his surname)

ddraver

Turfle wrote:

Yeah he's getting lots of positive feedback. Just the one naysayer that I saw - shockingly, that w as a Spanish gentleman.

Tweeted him as well, and Andrew McQuaid....god I need to come home!

andrewjoseph

from cycling news : http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/clerc-calls-on-aso-to-assume-greater-responsibility

Clerc was removed from his post in October 2008 and replaced by Jean-Etienne Amaury, completing a rapprochement between the Amaury Group and the UCI. The Tour de France was restored to the ProTour calendar, while the AFLD was no longer in charge of testing at the race. Earlier that autumn, Lance Armstrong had announced that he was coming out of retirement to ride the 2009 Tour.

Coincidence?

dennisn

Richmond Racer wrote:

Tweet 2: They should play their false games somewhere else. Or do they ride for money instead of joy?! #weirdpeople

Am I reading this wrong? I thought they did ride for the money. Or is tweet 2 talking about something or someone else?

slim_boy_fat

dennisn wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Tweet 2: They should play their false games somewhere else. Or do they ride for money instead of joy?! #weirdpeople

Am I reading this wrong? I thought they did ride for the money. Or is tweet 2 talking about something or someone else?

I think his meaning would have been better served if he'd included 'only' before money.

dennisn

andrewjoseph wrote:

from cycling news : http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/clerc-calls-on-aso-to-assume-greater-responsibility

Clerc was removed from his post in October 2008 and replaced by Jean-Etienne Amaury, completing a rapprochement between the Amaury Group and the UCI. The Tour de France was restored to the ProTour calendar, while the AFLD was no longer in charge of testing at the race. Earlier that autumn, Lance Armstrong had announced that he was coming out of retirement to ride the 2009 Tour.

Coincidence?

A good conspiracy theory. However never overlook the fact that LA, like lots of athletes who retire, might just have gotten the itch again around that time. I would think that it would be very hard for anyone to retire at that age, especially when they are on top of the world.

DeadCalm

dennisn wrote:

andrewjoseph wrote:

from cycling news : http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/clerc-calls-on-aso-to-assume-greater-responsibility

Clerc was removed from his post in October 2008 and replaced by Jean-Etienne Amaury, completing a rapprochement between the Amaury Group and the UCI. The Tour de France was restored to the ProTour calendar, while the AFLD was no longer in charge of testing at the race. Earlier that autumn, Lance Armstrong had announced that he was coming out of retirement to ride the 2009 Tour.

Coincidence?

A good conspiracy theory. However never overlook the fact that LA, like lots of athletes who retire, might just have gotten the itch again around that time. I would think that it would be very hard for anyone to retire at that age, especially when they are on top of the world.

I think the theory is actually that Armstrong put pressure on ASO to remove the notoriously anti-doping Clerc before agreeing to make his comeback.

Richmond Racer

ddraver wrote:

Turfle wrote:

Yeah he's getting lots of positive feedback. Just the one naysayer that I saw - shockingly, that w as a Spanish gentleman.

Tweeted him as well, and Andrew McQuaid....god I need to come home!

The Rodent Who Came In From the Cold - that's you

I tweeted the Kittelmeister too. Good lad.

Richmond Racer

LangerDan wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Slim Boy Fat wrote:

It's great to see riders responding in that way, proof that the omerta is not all encompassing.

The young guns (apart from les espanoles) dont seem so bound by the omerta..

Can only be a good thing.....

Agree. It will take a few years until the older ones retire, but I can see a different attitude across the peloton as more and more young riders come into the ranks...and perhaps the Spanish can be sorted out in the meantime...

Perhaps the younger riders are more embracing of social media that allows them direct expression of their opinions without being seen to go chatting up journos etc?

Don't they have Twitter in Spain?

That's a good point about social media providing a channel that's outside the trad meeja route.

And plenty of Spanish riders tweet - including Contador (*spits*) and Valverde (*spits again*). Fact remains that the inherent Spanish culture is such that they have no problem with doping - 'they' being the riders, the fans, the team managers, the race organisers, the policitians.

ocdupalais

ddraver wrote:

Turfle wrote:

Yeah he's getting lots of positive feedback. Just the one naysayer that I saw - shockingly, that w as a Spanish gentleman.

Tweeted him as well, and Andrew McQuaid....god I need to come home!

Holed up in Eastern Russia... "need to come home"... You're not in Pussy Riot are you dd?

dennisn

Richmond Racer wrote:

Fact remains that the inherent Spanish culture is such that they have no problem with doping - 'they' being the riders, the fans, the team managers, the race organisers, the policitians.

FWIW cultures will clash. It's totally accepatable, in Spain, for someone the torture and kill a doped up and mostly exhausted bull, all in the name of sport. Doesn't surprise me that they don't care if someone uses dope to win a bike race.

andrewjoseph

DeadCalm wrote:

I think the theory is actually that Armstrong put pressure on ASO to remove the notoriously anti-doping Clerc before agreeing to make his comeback.

That's the impression I got.