Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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Nick Fitt wrote:dennisn wrote:I'd also like to ask if you feel better when you read more bad news about LA? I've asked that before but didn't get any responce. Along that same line does anyone on this thread believe that Lance ever did anything good in his life? OK, that was sarcastic but the first and second questions do interest me.
Hi Dennis, in isolation to your 2 questions;
1. I had my love of the tour and pro cycling destroyed by LA. he was so obviously a cheat, doper, liar yet he was seen as an angel. IN MY OPINION the charitys etc are money spinners and nothing more (I appreciate the money given to cancer, fwiw, my Cycling Club Chairman died of cancer as did my Father in Law, I know its pain as a 'witness'). When he rode past me while watching the tour I looked away and spat.
This 'outing' is deserved, overdue and in my opinion not yet made its peak, witch hunt? No, justice and I hope a long and very slow destruction of a man I loathe with venomous passion.
2. No, I dont believe LA has done anything good, by that, something for someone without asking or expecting anything in return. He is a bastard through and through.
On a lighter note, I reckon you are a US Cycling journo!
Appreciate the honesty. I really do.
Hope you are able to work it all out. Letting things eat at you is not the best of ideas.
It's still only bike racing and there is plenty of good stuff left.0 -
bigdawg wrote:MOnday..?? Why not just do it now...?
Because its Friday, silly...nice long Friday lunch of entrecote and a couple of bottles of red, followed by a snooze back at Pat's office, then home time0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:bigdawg wrote:MOnday..?? Why not just do it now...?
Because its Friday, silly...nice long Friday lunch of entrecote and a couple of bottles of red, followed by a snooze back at Pat's office, then home time
Blithering barnacles! How did you know? :oops:
I'll have you know there's been no snoozing, that's what the pro-plus is for.
Correlation is not causation.0 -
OCDuPalais wrote:
Jezz, no wonder he took drugs......0 -
Also, WADA have sent out the news about it and I suspect they'll know what the result is.
Hopefully McQuaid will say he's resigning and being replaced by Makarov just to teach the internetz people a lesson.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:
"I am the woman I am today (cracks included)"
'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
Personally I hope they strip the wins from Lance and then give them to whoever came 2nd along with the prize money.
Okay we know a lot of the recipients may have chequered histories, but unless they have been disqualified from the races themselves should they not get them.
After all it will be what the internetz peeps want and a good way of the UCI to stick two fingers up at everyone else who dared rock the boat.0 -
Am i the only one who thinks this will be a whitewash on monday along the lines of "He's never tested positive"
If this DOES happen then i hope all of the UCI's corporate sponsors i.e. Santini,Skoda, etc pull their sponsorship..Pro Cycling will become a laughing stock if it isnt already :evil:0 -
iainf72 wrote:Also, WADA have sent out the news about it and I suspect they'll know what the result is.
Hopefully McQuaid will say he's resigning and being replaced by Makarov just to teach the internetz people a lesson.
An unfortunate namesake with the baddy who wanders through an airport in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 gunning down civilians...0 -
Yes think you are the only one - IOC would remove them from Olympics if they did that.Gazzetta67 wrote:Am i the only one who thinks this will be a whitewash on monday along the lines of "He's never tested positive"
If this DOES happen then i hope all of the UCI's corporate sponsors i.e. Santini,Skoda, etc pull their sponsorship..Pro Cycling will become a laughing stock if it isnt already :evil:0 -
No coincidence, it's the same bloke.OCDuPalais wrote:iainf72 wrote:Also, WADA have sent out the news about it and I suspect they'll know what the result is.
Hopefully McQuaid will say he's resigning and being replaced by Makarov just to teach the internetz people a lesson.
An unfortunate namesake with the baddy who wanders through an airport in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 gunning down civilians...Twitter: @RichN950 -
Gazzetta67 wrote:Am i the only one who thinks this will be a whitewash on monday along the lines of "He's never tested positive"
If this DOES happen then i hope all of the UCI's corporate sponsors i.e. Santini,Skoda, etc pull their sponsorship..Pro Cycling will become a laughing stock if it isnt already :evil:
Public opinion has reached tipping point. That's all the UCI care about.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
No coincidence, it's the same bloke.OCDuPalais wrote:iainf72 wrote:Also, WADA have sent out the news about it and I suspect they'll know what the result is.
Hopefully McQuaid will say he's resigning and being replaced by Makarov just to teach the internetz people a lesson.
An unfortunate namesake with the baddy who wanders through an airport in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 gunning down civilians...
Actually laughed, in the office. Probably because it was exactly what I was thinking. Saracen Tenet 3 - 2015 - Dead - Replaced with a Hack Frame
Voodoo Bizango - 2014 - Dead - Hit by a car
Vitus Sentier VRS - 20170 -
Sketchley wrote:Pross wrote:niedermeyer wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Hincape says he noticed in '95 that the peloton was going mega fast, so we can assume that's the year EPO took hold of a good portion of the peloton.
I always assumed that the transformation of Big Mig from rouleur/TT specialists to climber/Tour Winner was to do with finding a way to get extra oxygen to that big motor. So by 1991 I would imagine a few were at it.
It amuses me that when the lists of clean/dirty tour winners are printed in the popular press that Indurain is listed as clean.
He had that ridiculously huge lung capacity, that was how he did it. The cycling press were always telling me that at the time so must be true.
I've been wondering the same about the whole high cadence stuff pedalled by Lance about why he was faster than everyone else.....
I liked when Landis made that big solo break in the mountains and we were told it was all down to drinking a shedload of bidons during the stage. Like if you keep drinking you'll be able to keep going for ever at a ridiculous pace! Damn, I'm gonna fit 20 bottle cages to my bike, watch me fly!0 -
RichN95 wrote:
No coincidence, it's the same bloke.OCDuPalais wrote:iainf72 wrote:Also, WADA have sent out the news about it and I suspect they'll know what the result is.
Hopefully McQuaid will say he's resigning and being replaced by Makarov just to teach the internetz people a lesson.
An unfortunate namesake with the baddy who wanders through an airport in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 gunning down civilians...
Entirely plausible. But hell, could be the next UCI Pres... :shock:0 -
dennisn wrote:nic_77 wrote:
Let's try again Dennis... this is PROFESSIONAL cycling we are talking about, not amateur racing. You don't have to take part to understand PROFESSIONAL cycling!dennisn wrote:iainf72 wrote:And that's got what to do with following pro cycling? The square root of nothing. You don't give a toss about pro cycling, which is what this forum is about. I don't give a toss about track cycling, or amateur cycling but don't search the internet to try and antagonise people who do enjoy it.
i rest my case as far as you're concerned. You don't know squat about cycling. Get your butt out there and lend a hand and maybe, just maybe someone might take what you say seriously.
Repeat... that's PROFESSIONAL cycling - the bikes on the telly, not tea and biscuits in a lay-by stuff
Bullsh*t. You claim to know about bike racing and you're not even involved at its lowest levels. Are you kidding me?? All this cr*p you've been laying on me and you haven't even participated or helped out at a local level. Pitiful. Yet you tell me you know all about pro cycling. That's like claiming you know football(in it's many forms) yet have never played the game. Any of you out there ever won or placed highly in a local crit? Well, shame on me for believing that I was talking with anyone who had ever been involved with actual cycling other than reading about it and maybe riding a mile or two. Pathetic, to say the least. :roll:
Not to be pedantic but one of the most successful football managers (talking soccer here) Jose Morinho, has never played football. Similarly AVB currently in charge of Spurs in England, has never played football. You dont need to be in the middle of a sprint finish either locally or on a pro level to be a 'student' of the sport.0 -
Heavymental wrote:Sketchley wrote:Pross wrote:niedermeyer wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Hincape says he noticed in '95 that the peloton was going mega fast, so we can assume that's the year EPO took hold of a good portion of the peloton.
I always assumed that the transformation of Big Mig from rouleur/TT specialists to climber/Tour Winner was to do with finding a way to get extra oxygen to that big motor. So by 1991 I would imagine a few were at it.
It amuses me that when the lists of clean/dirty tour winners are printed in the popular press that Indurain is listed as clean.
He had that ridiculously huge lung capacity, that was how he did it. The cycling press were always telling me that at the time so must be true.
I've been wondering the same about the whole high cadence stuff pedalled by Lance about why he was faster than everyone else.....
I liked when Landis made that big solo break in the mountains and we were told it was all down to drinking a shedload of bidons during the stage. Like if you keep drinking you'll be able to keep going for ever at a ridiculous pace! Damn, I'm gonna fit 20 bottle cages to my bike, watch me fly!
there was actually a point to that - but it was to cool himself down and reduce his core temperature - most of those bottles went over his head as the temp was over 100deg from memory
How he thought he was going to get away with not testing positive though ill never know...dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
Gazzetta67 wrote:If this DOES happen then i hope all of the UCI's corporate sponsors i.e. Santini,Skoda, etc pull their sponsorship..Pro Cycling will become a laughing stock if it isnt already :evil:
In the long run I would think that you would want sponsors that are willing to take the good with the bad. It's all part of the the game they play to get your attention and buy their product. Do you really want sponsors who, like rats, are the first to jump ship? Or would it be better to have those that are willing to forge ahead, put the past behind them, and learn from it? That's what makes for a strong organization and good leadership. Not people who simply bail out at the first hint of trouble. The possiblities for racing and cycling are as endless as the imagination but without support from people who actually believe in it, then indeed it is over. I would urge everyone to put this behind you(as it already is anyway - mostly), learn from it, and move ahead. There is nothing else worth doing.0 -
I like Ned Boulting's description in his book of how he chased Landis down for an interview after the stage and finally cornered him. 'Shifty' was a good adjective. NB said he sensed something wasnt right - why was Landis not skipping with joy that he'd won? NB went and tracked down a couple of his more experienced colleagues on the production team who dismissed the idea that Landis' stage win wasn't credible - lectured NB along the lines of 'sometimes you just have to believe in the possibility of an amazing heroic performance'
People wanted to be duped. Or they just wanted to believe. Take your pick.0 -
bigdawg wrote:Pross wrote:So is she is saying without saying "yes, it was going on I knew all about it disagreed with it but kept quiet and now I'm not going to speak about it (other than more or less spelling it out here) as I want to protect my kids. However, I'm not proud of myself for staying quiet" or am I reading it wrong?
She can't say anything legally - when they divorced Lance made her sign a total confidentially agreement concerning anything to do with cycling and him. Although some reports suggested she testified (along with Sheryl Crow) at the grand jury testimony, although Im guessing there were a lot of 'no comments'
At the time it was one of the things that turned me from he's prob clean to you cheating bastard
Out of interest I know a wife can't be forced to testify against her husband but does that stay after divorce? If not then surely she would be free to tell the truth (in fact would be obliged to) and would be protected by the fact that the law has a higher standing than any non-disclosure clauses in a divorce settlement.
The person I feel sorry for in all this is the other Kristen Armstrong who probably gets tainted by accident with some people (took me a while to realise they weren't the same person :oops: ).0 -
I'd imagine she'd have to sing like the proverbial canary if subpeonaed0
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Crawlinguphills wrote:dennisn wrote:nic_77 wrote:
Let's try again Dennis... this is PROFESSIONAL cycling we are talking about, not amateur racing. You don't have to take part to understand PROFESSIONAL cycling!dennisn wrote:iainf72 wrote:And that's got what to do with following pro cycling? The square root of nothing. You don't give a toss about pro cycling, which is what this forum is about. I don't give a toss about track cycling, or amateur cycling but don't search the internet to try and antagonise people who do enjoy it.
i rest my case as far as you're concerned. You don't know squat about cycling. Get your butt out there and lend a hand and maybe, just maybe someone might take what you say seriously.
Repeat... that's PROFESSIONAL cycling - the bikes on the telly, not tea and biscuits in a lay-by stuff
Bullsh*t. You claim to know about bike racing and you're not even involved at its lowest levels. Are you kidding me?? All this cr*p you've been laying on me and you haven't even participated or helped out at a local level. Pitiful. Yet you tell me you know all about pro cycling. That's like claiming you know football(in it's many forms) yet have never played the game. Any of you out there ever won or placed highly in a local crit? Well, shame on me for believing that I was talking with anyone who had ever been involved with actual cycling other than reading about it and maybe riding a mile or two. Pathetic, to say the least. :roll:
Not to be pedantic but one of the most successful football managers (talking soccer here) Jose Morinho, has never played football. Similarly AVB currently in charge of Spurs in England, has never played football. You dont need to be in the middle of a sprint finish either locally or on a pro level to be a 'student' of the sport.
You are most correct in what you say. I see that now and appoligize to "iain72" for saying he didn't know squat. However, I believe I was responding more to his statement that I don't give "toss" about pro cycling. I've been working with cycling and racing on the local and regional level for years and have seen plenty of kids with the pro dream in their eyes. Even saw a few of them go to Europe for a season or two to give it a try. Not that any of them ever made it big but they are now much better people just from the experience of it all. So ya, I do care in my own way.0 -
Sketchley wrote:http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/the-coming-confession/
Was going to write something similar but this says it must better than I could. Apologies if already posted elsewhere....
If it's true that UCI will make announcement on Monday and the above story (read comments section) holds any value then it would indeed give LA the option to confess on sat before UCI formal announcement. You might start to wonder if it's all setup.
Edit: so it is true that they will make an announcement on monday (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oc ... sfeed=true).0 -
tarzan13 wrote:Sketchley wrote:http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/the-coming-confession/
Was going to write something similar but this says it must better than I could. Apologies if already posted elsewhere....
If it's true that UCI will make announcement on Monday and the above story (read comments section) holds any value then it would indeed give LA the option to confess on sat before UCI formal announcement. You might start to wonder if it's all setup.
Edit: so it is true that they will make an announcement on monday (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oc ... sfeed=true).
Its the big shindig for 15th anniversary of Livestrong tonight....could be confession time! (not that I think that, really)0 -
That's the difference between being a presenter and being a reporter.Richmond Racer wrote:I like Ned Boulting's description in his book of how he chased Landis down for an interview after the stage and finally cornered him. 'Shifty' was a good adjective. NB said he sensed something wasnt right - why was Landis not skipping with joy that he'd won? NB went and tracked down a couple of his more experienced colleagues on the production team who dismissed the idea that Landis' stage win wasn't credible - lectured NB along the lines of 'sometimes you just have to believe in the possibility of an amazing heroic performance'
People wanted to be duped. Or they just wanted to believe. Take your pick.
Liggett and co are just waiters serving up dollops of heroic candyfloss to the general public. They're not in the business of searching for the truth.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:
Its the big shindig for 15th anniversary of Livestrong tonight....could be confession time! (not that I think that, really)
FTFY.0 -
I can see Kristin, Thom Weisal, Bill Stapleton...0
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Le Commentateur wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:
Its the big shindig for 15th anniversary of Livestrong tonight....could be confession time! (not that I think that, really)
FTFY.
I'm not all that up on religious art, but if this is the Christian version of 'Who Farted?', I'd say I'm pretty sure it's the guy in the middle.
Is that bloke on the left knicking cutlery meant to be Floyd?0 -
VerwoodAsh wrote:Personally I hope they strip the wins from Lance and then give them to whoever came 2nd along with the prize money.
Okay we know a lot of the recipients may have chequered histories, but unless they have been disqualified from the races themselves should they not get them.
After all it will be what the internetz peeps want and a good way of the UCI to stick two fingers up at everyone else who dared rock the boat.
I notice that no one has replied to this post. After all, it's what internetz peeps want.
Therefore, the roll of honour would read:
1999: Alex Zülle (Five Festina riders including Zülle admitted taking EPO)
2000: Jan Ullrich (doping bans, barred from Tours, found guilty by CAS)
2001: Jan Ullrich
2002: Joseba Beloki (implicated in Operación Puerto) This poor sod was in the famous LA video riding over grass
2003: Jan Ullrich
2004: Andreas Klöden :?:
2005: Ivan Basso (suspended 2 years for doping)
Hmmmmmmmmm................. 0
