Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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sherer wrote:Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Which other years did a doped American with the tour?k-dog wrote:The bit that is definitely witch-hunty is the fact that the only years they're talking about "vacating" are the ones where Lance won. Clearly there are plenty of other guilty riders who have won and they should be investigated too.
or any other big races for that matter.
It's a shame there isn't some kind of body above USADA that governs all of cycling that could look into matters in other countries
Nice one my son.
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I don't know the source of the reference for this quote but there's nothing amazing about it.Lichtblick wrote:
The Tour organiser pointed out that he and his organisation do not have the power to remove Armstrong's name from the Tour's official records: that lies with the International Cycling Union, which is currently studying the 1000-page dossier drawn up by Usada. "As astonishing as it may seem, the Tour de France is not the master of its record books. That goes through the UCI rather than the race organisers." The UCI has yet to comment on the report or to indicate how it will react.
A football club isn't the master of the record books for league or cup games played at its ground just as a motor racing circuit isn't the master of its record books for FIA events driven on its circuit. In both cases it is the national or international sport regulator who is the master of the record books.0 -
You think someone would have thought of that and put something in place...sherer wrote:Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Which other years did a doped American with the tour?k-dog wrote:The bit that is definitely witch-hunty is the fact that the only years they're talking about "vacating" are the ones where Lance won. Clearly there are plenty of other guilty riders who have won and they should be investigated too.
or any other big races for that matter.
It's a shame there isn't some kind of body above USADA that governs all of cycling that could look into matters in other countries0 -
The print edition of the Italian sports daily today features a two page spread under the headline ‘Il sistema Ferrari’ – ‘The Ferrari system’ – which details how investigators working since 2010 under the guidance of magistrate Benedetto Roberti have uncovered a international web of illegal payments worth an estimated €30 million surrounding a doping ring allegedly orchestrated by Ferrari.
According to investigators, dozens of riders are implicated, with Michele Scarponi, Alexander Kolobnev and Dennis Menchov among those named. The Gazzetta article gives the impression that this is not just a case of individuals allegedly breaking the rules without the knowledge of their management – entire teams are said to be involved, with the Gazzetta dello Sport specifically naming Astana, Lampre, Liquigas, Rabobank, RadioShack and Vacansoleil, among others.
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12885244
EDIT: Threads were merged see "Ferrari..." thread0 -
Lichtblick wrote:dennisn wrote:While the UCI must do something to at least regain a bit of credibility, I'm not sure that whatever they may or may not say Friday will add anything new to an already fairly hopeless "scandal", if you will.
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AFAICS, we're all waiting for the UCI to actually strip Armstrong of those titles, since they are in their gift and not USADA's. (Then Wiki will finally be updated..........).
As I reply to this post I can see big blue letters, near the top of my monitor, that say Lance Armstong accepts lifetime ban, loss of 7 TDF wins. FWIW that would seem to me to be a pretty done deal. Or is the headline wrong? In any case it's history now and whether or not small bands of people continue, for whatever reason, to push to have his name removed from everything from record books to his birth certificate, history has already happened and this will be written about for many years to come. So having his name deleted or not deleted from this or that will not change a thing.
It would be a pretty hard to convince yourself that he didn't win 7 TDF's because we all know the story and it's still being written.0 -
I don't think his name should be obliterated from the records as such. It makes the scandal less visible for one thing. Not now of course, but in say 10 years time, when the fuss has died down. Those who forget history are bound to repeat it.0
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dennisn wrote:It would be a pretty hard to convince yourself that he didn't win 7 TDF's because we all know the story and it's still being written.
I think you mean, It would be a pretty hard to convince yourself that he did win 7 TDF's ......
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Phew. Well, I've finally got to the end of the thread! (For now)
I don't often post, but can I just thank everyone for all the links, opinions, reading, etc. Frankly, I've gained most of my knowledge about this whole affair through this thread alone.
Cheers all.
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I saw it before you deleted
If you click on a poster's name, you get the option to add them to your friends or foes lists.
Anyone on your foes list, you don't see their postings.
I've done it with just one person, someone else not him who you mentioned0 -
neil_sheehan2000 wrote:
[edit- I said something unnecessarily nasty about someone and then felt guilty, so I've deleted it]
Good.
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Was it about me? Or that other guy?0
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neil_sheehan2000 wrote:[edit- I said something unnecessarily nasty about someone and then felt guilty, so I've deleted it]
You didn't say anything nasty about Lance did you? How could you? That's both unforgivable and awful.0 -
Lance is a stand up guy. Just a shame that Travis won't just leave him alone.mfin wrote:neil_sheehan2000 wrote:[edit- I said something unnecessarily nasty about someone and then felt guilty, so I've deleted it]
You didn't say anything nasty about Lance did you? How could you? That's both unforgivable and awful.0 -
Lichtblick wrote:dennisn wrote:It would be a pretty hard to convince yourself that he didn't win 7 TDF's because we all know the story and it's still being written.
I think you mean, It would be a pretty hard to convince yourself that he did win 7 TDF's ......
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I'm only saying that, if fact, he did win 7 TDF's. I saw him on the podium, he's had his picture on everything except a milk carton, whole bunches of people cheered each time he got on the podium. He must have won something and history has already recorded that it happened. That was chapters 1 thru 7 or so. Chapter 8 thru ?? will be how it was discovered that he, and others, cheated, how he was stripped of those titles, and what he did after it was all over. While you and others may view his wins as non wins or whatever, unless you can go back in time and change history I'm betting that my version will be the one that best reflects what happened. It happened. If it didn't happen who the h*ll were we all watching all those years? I'm betting that in this day and age you'd look a little silly trying to convince anyone that he didn't win them, if you get my meaning.0 -
Please let my post be the 1st on the 100th page..............0
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B*gger !0
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Most people will remember 'he won 7 tours by cheating and then had them taken off him'.
There you go Dennis, no need to discuss it anymore.0 -
Just reading the text convo between Frankie and JV.
:shock:so, that's when you start thinking... hell, kevin was telling me
that after 2000 Ullrich never raced over 42%0 -
who won the 100m gold in 88 ? I have to say I don't really remember. Was it Lewis ? Except we all know Johnson crossed the line first on the day.
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Yeah that one was a real eye opener. How come they managed to keep the transcript of a 7 year old IM session though? That is some foresight that it might be useful.Rick Chasey wrote:Just reading the text convo between Frankie and JV.
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Lance must have been a real bast4rd to work with...0 -
nathancom wrote:
Yeah that one was a real eye opener. How come they managed to keep the transcript of a 7 year old IM session though? That is so e foresight that it might be useful.Rick Chasey wrote:Just reading the text convo between Frankie and JV.
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Lance must have been a real bast4rd to work with...
You can type bastard without the 4, I think the phrase was taken out of the swear filter for this particular thread as it was needed so much.0 -
They didn't. It got saved/copied around the time by various interested parties. It's been in the public domain for years.nathancom wrote:
Yeah that one was a real eye opener. How come they managed to keep the transcript of a 7 year old IM session though? That is some foresight that it might be useful.Rick Chasey wrote:Just reading the text convo between Frankie and JV.
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Yeah, but Prudhomme wants to leave the winner blank for all the Lance years - nobody won.sherer wrote:who won the 100m gold in 88 ? I have to say I don't really remember. Was it Lewis ? Except we all know Johnson crossed the line first on the day.
Think that is what Dennis is trying to get at
Unlike Mr 60% who is still a winner in 96 but with an asterisk against his name, is that right ?
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Wikipedia (so it must be true...) says (my bold)Bjarne Lykkegård Riis (born April 3, 1964 in Herning), nicknamed The Eagle from Herning(Danish: Ørnen fra Herning), is a Danish former professional road bicycle racer who placed first in the 1996 Tour de France, and is now the team owner and manager of Danish UCI ProTour outfit Team Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank. Other career highlights include placing first in the Amstel Gold Race in 1997, multiple Danish National Championships, and stage wins in the Giro d'Italia. On May 25, 2007 he admitted that he placed first in the Tour de France using banned substances, and he was no longer considered the winner by the tour's organizers. In July 2008 the tour reconfirmed his victory but with an 'asterisk' label to indicate his doping offences0 -
Presumably some people in the know have worked out who all the blacked out names are in the various testemonies?0
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No asterisk. Statute of Limitations and all that - something that the USADA managed to do away with somehow (it was legit, but I don't really know why). Similarly, Ullrich only lost a handful of results.andy_wrx wrote:Unlike Mr 60% who is still a winner in 96 but with an asterisk against his name, is that right ?Twitter: @RichN950 -
According to David Brailsford, Rider 4 is probably Fausto Coppi.Rick Chasey wrote:Presumably some people in the know have worked out who all the blacked out names are in the various testemonies?
(Edit: I'm glad to bring up the century with a joke. There was a sweepstake right? We all agreed to put a pound in and whoever started the 100th page got the pot, right?)Twitter: @RichN950
