Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    frenchfighter wrote:
    patgun.jpg?t=1350737502

    At least he's not aiming it at his foot as usual.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    was he really the worlds top cyclist in 96 ? Wiki says he won Fleche that year but that seems to be about it other than some rubbish US races that don't carry many UCI points
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    sherer wrote:
    was he really the worlds top cyclist in 96 ? Wiki says he won Fleche that year but that seems to be about it other than some rubbish US races that don't carry many UCI points

    No, he was about no. 6 at his highest:

    http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/ ... i23_6.html
    http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/ ... ci9_9.html
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Gerrans's Australia manager, former Olympic long jumper David Culbert, said he'd asked the lead rider for Orica-GreenEDGE, which has been shattered by the doping admissions of its former chief sports director Matt White, about doping in a phone call last week.
    "I have asked him the question, 'Are there any skeletons in your closet?'," Culbert told The Sun-Herald. "And his answer was very, very forthright: 'I don't have anything to hide. I've got nothing to worry about, and neither do you.'
    "You have to take the athletes on their word … It's not an easy question to ask and I didn't feel comfortable asking it. But do I believe Gerro? Yes I do … when you look at his career, he has been beaten up mountains by people who have been cheats."
    Bakker said of Evans: "Putting our obvious relationship aside, I have never met a more principled person.
    ''I've never met a person who holds his values so dearly. And for that reason I think Cadel has an enormous role to play in cycling, but I think he's been playing that role for some time." Referring to Lance Armstrong's lifetime ban, Bakker said: "Of course he [Evans] doesn't like to see the sport portrayed this way.
    ''He will address the situation in his own way, and at the time he thinks is the right time to do so."


    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/pel ... z29rK2wxkk
    Contador is the Greatest
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    frenchfighter wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-860283
    He really is trailer trash, isn't he?
    This is absolutely disgusting.
    I hope this guy gets totally destroyed for all he is worth.
    Nah, if you're dumb enough to pay $35K to ride along with someone you should be ripped-off. I love stories where dumb people do dumb things and then complain.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    sherer wrote:
    was he really the worlds top cyclist in 96 ? Wiki says he won Fleche that year but that seems to be about it other than some rubbish US races that don't carry many UCI points


    Scott Mercier was asked in the last couple of days whether Armstrong would have still won in a scenario whether everyone incl Armstrong was riding clean. Mercier's reply was that he'd have been great and won a lot of races, but no 7 Tours - he'd have been open to attacks in the mountains especially if isolated.

    Nothing most of us here wouldnt have guessed, I suppose, but interesting to hear it from Mercier.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    one blogger's take on what's going through Armstrong's mind right now....

    http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2012/10/ ... onfession/
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    dougzz wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-860283
    He really is trailer trash, isn't he?
    This is absolutely disgusting.
    I hope this guy gets totally destroyed for all he is worth.
    Nah, if you're dumb enough to pay $35K to ride along with someone you should be ripped-off. I love stories where dumb people do dumb things and then complain.

    Absolutely correct. Experience can be a rough teacher but it's one of the best.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,439
    dennisn wrote:
    dougzz wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-860283
    He really is trailer trash, isn't he?
    This is absolutely disgusting.
    I hope this guy gets totally destroyed for all he is worth.
    Nah, if you're dumb enough to pay $35K to ride along with someone you should be ripped-off. I love stories where dumb people do dumb things and then complain.

    Absolutely correct. Experience can be a rough teacher but it's one of the best.


    Harsh.

    These people haven't paid $35k to ride with Armstrong. They've made a $35k charitable donation, the ride with Armstrong being used to motivate people to reach into their pockets to donate to that particular charity.

    No different than paying to play with a pro golfer in a charity fourball.

    It's only fair to expect a bit of interaction with the celeb - that's their end of the deal.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    http://www.cyclisme-dopage.com/actualit ... ien-fr.htm

    Nice clear explanation
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    Can you give us the gist Monsieur LeF72
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Yup

    2001 TdS sample was suspicious for epo, but didn't meet the criteria to be called positive. Now it would but you can't apply it like that. However there was another suspicious test in the dauphine in 2002 which the lab guy discovered later was Armstrong too

    It sounds like if you returned a suspicious sample you were told, but they weren't 'positive'
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    Hmm, I thought that was the story all along, People were suggesting it was a proper "WADA approved" positive test when in fact, the sample did contain EPO, and it was Lance Armstrong's sample. But that did not constitute a proper positive Drug test. So he could nt have been sanctioned based on that alone, but it was a massive red flag to look for other evidence.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    So there's no real UCI cover up story at all, people will be very disappointed.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    Interesting how public perception and the media have changed.

    Just watched BBC News24, an article on the LiveStong bash :-

    Just a week ago they were talking about the 'allegations' in the USADA file, saying Lance denied ever doping - could be either viewed as taking Armstrong's side, or maybe just the Beeb being very conservative afraid of being sued by the man.

    Tonight however it refererred to "disgraced cyclist" Lance Armstrong and said that on Monday the UCI would declare what sanction they would impose, no mention of CAS or possibility of rejecting USADA
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    andy_wrx wrote:
    Interesting how public perception and the media have changed.

    Just watched BBC News24, an article on the LiveStong bash :-

    Just a week ago they were talking about the 'allegations' in the USADA file, saying Lance denied ever doping - could be either viewed as taking Armstrong's side, or maybe just the Beeb being very conservative afraid of being sued by the man.

    Tonight however it refererred to "disgraced cyclist" Lance Armstrong and said that on Monday the UCI would declare what sanction they would impose, no mention of CAS or possibility of rejecting USADA

    Basically the same thing over here. A week or two ago CBS news talked about Lance "fighting" allegations. This week they are talking "disgraced". Now I'll admit to not really following every developement in all this but I'm not sure what changed in that time frame. Sounds like the media news "writters" are trying to spice things up a bit. Which sort of takes everything out of the realm of news and into entertainment.
    Sometimes I marvel at the talking heads and wonder who scripts all this.
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    What's happened?

    USADA released their report and Lance has continued not to fight any allegations.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Jez mon wrote:
    What's happened?

    USADA released their report and Lance has continued not to fight any allegations.

    Ya, you're right. But I do like your choice of words. ...continued NOT to fight...
    You may become an news anchorman yet.
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    dennisn wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    What's happened?

    USADA released their report and Lance has continued not to fight any allegations.

    Ya, you're right. But I do like your choice of words. ...continued NOT to fight...
    You may become an news anchorman yet.
    Umm well he did continue not to fight any allegations. He has tried to act like they don't exist. How does it feel to constantly be an apologist for a serial cheat and as5hole?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    nathancom wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    What's happened?

    USADA released their report and Lance has continued not to fight any allegations.

    Ya, you're right. But I do like your choice of words. ...continued NOT to fight...
    You may become an news anchorman yet.
    Umm well he did continue not to fight any allegations. He has tried to act like they don't exist. How does it feel to constantly be an apologist for a serial cheat and as5hole?

    You guys have called me a LA apologist now for some time. Why or how could I apologise
    for him? How would that work? Even if I could or would who would care? I think you're equating me not really caring about LA's fate with me being a big fan and true believer in the man. I doubt you'll find much evidence of the latter but much more of the former.
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    dennisn wrote:
    nathancom wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    What's happened?

    USADA released their report and Lance has continued not to fight any allegations.

    Ya, you're right. But I do like your choice of words. ...continued NOT to fight...
    You may become an news anchorman yet.
    Umm well he did continue not to fight any allegations. He has tried to act like they don't exist. How does it feel to constantly be an apologist for a serial cheat and as5hole?

    You guys have called me a LA apologist now for some time. Why or how could I apologise
    for him? How would that work? Even if I could or would who would care? I think you're equating me not really caring about LA's fate with me being a big fan and true believer in the man. I doubt you'll find much evidence of the latter but much more of the former.
    That is rubbish. Almost all your posts are an attempt to mitigate any criticism of Lance Armstrong. You have that agenda and it is obvious.
  • pussander
    pussander Posts: 6
    I think you're equating me not really caring about LA's fate with me being a big fan

    For someone who doesn't care you spend an awful lot of time posting on threads about him. Are there any other subjects you don't care about quite so much?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/sport ... =all&_r=2&

    Tnx Mr Barry
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Makes sense. Armstrong says it like he can bend the UCI to his will to possible future rivals.

    Builds up the aura and intimidation.
    _
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Not to be a DennisN apologiser, but I think he just likes a robust argument. I don't buy the fanboi line at all.

    Sorry for linking to this god awful paper, but here's Daley Thompson calling for cycling to be banned from the Olympics, in the wake of this.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... ds-newsxml
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I'd say sod it and ban it from the Olympics.

    But AFAIK being signed up means it's signed up to WADA which has benefits.

    Otherwise you get baseball style tacit legalisation.
    _
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    Jez mon wrote:
    Not to be a DennisN apologiser, but I think he just likes a robust argument. I don't buy the fanboi line at all.

    Sorry for linking to this god awful paper, but here's Daley Thompson calling for cycling to be banned from the Olympics, in the wake of this.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... ds-newsxml

    I'd say the IAAF and other Olympics sports (football and tennis) could do with investigating their sports just as much.

    I know a lot of these cases are now kicked off by the police for being doping offenses, which are now crimes, but how come the big sports never get looked at by the police ?
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    sherer wrote:
    I know a lot of these cases are now kicked off by the police for being doping offenses, which are now crimes, but how come the big sports never get looked at by the police ?
    Damn right, with all the spare time the police have, you think they'd investigate doping in sports. Poeple don't care about street crime, robbery, murder, missing kids, it's sports doping they want ended.
  • Tom Butcher
    Tom Butcher Posts: 3,830
    I know it's a big IF but without the Olympics what does that do to BCs funding ? Anyone know how dependent they are on money linked to medals ?
    it's a hard life if you don't weaken.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    dougzz wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    I know a lot of these cases are now kicked off by the police for being doping offenses, which are now crimes, but how come the big sports never get looked at by the police ?
    Damn right, with all the spare time the police have, you think they'd investigate doping in sports. Poeple don't care about street crime, robbery, murder, missing kids, it's sports doping they want ended.

    They are investigating Ferrari in Italy and there has been investigations in Spain and I think Germany too plus Vienna. Why is it these only seem to uncover cycling scandals when we all know this goes on in other sports. Not saying the police should spend all this time on this but to just single out a few sports and ignore the big fish doesn't seem a fair thing for the police to do

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