Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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Scroll back 20 or so pages, full list as the first posting at the top of a page iircRick Chasey wrote:Presumably some people in the know have worked out who all the blacked out names are in the various testemonies?
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Yeah, here we go, p64, DeadCalm on 12OctDeadCalm wrote:B3rnieMac wrote:anyone making guesses as to the names of the redacted riders in the affidavits?
Taken from a Belgian forum:
1 Paolo Savoldelli
2 Manuel Beltran
3 Adriano Baffi
4 Bobby Julich
5 Jose Luis Rubiera
6 Pavel Padrnos
7 Roberto Heras
8 Victor Hugo Pena
9 Matthew White
10 Jose Azevedo
11 Vyatcheslav Ekimov
12 Benjamin Noval
13 Chann McRae
14 Michael Rasmussen
15 Chris Horner
16 Yaroslav Popovych
17 Marty Jemison?
18 Dylan Casey
19 Steffen Kjaergaard
20 Benoit Joachim
21 Tony Cruz
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nathancom wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Just reading the text convo between Frankie and JV.
:shocked:
Lance must have been a real bast4rd to work with...
Once again I'll ask. Do you know this for a fact or is it something you simply want to be true? I'd also like to ask if you feel better when you read more bad news about LA? I've asked that before but didn't get any responce. Along that same line does anyone on this thread believe that Lance ever did anything good in his life? OK, that was sarcastic but the first and second questions do interest me.0 -
'Course it's not a fact - he just suggested it because of the information we know from the conversations with his teammates and the sworn testimony of some of the things that went on at USPS.
And from reading the same things I don't think it's an unreasonable supposition.I'm left handed, if that matters.0 -
Tom Danielson - seems to be the only rider so far I've read who actually goes looking for the juice at first, rather than relenting when the doctor asks.0
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k-dog wrote:'Course it's not a fact - he just suggested it because of the information we know from the conversations with his teammates and the sworn testimony of some of the things that went on at USPS.
And from reading the same things I don't think it's an unreasonable supposition.
I agree. My thinking is that as wth any job you have people you work with and it's basically essential that you get along with them even if it's something of a struggle to do so. However, close quarters and lots of hours a day with these people can cause tensions to come to a boil on occasion. And we have all had bosses that either were or we thought were total d*cks. I see cycling as much the same and yet different. Close quarters, same people all the time, the work is hard and exhausting, you're living out of a suitcase, eveyone is tired and on edge, clashing personalties, ya gotta watch what ya eat, travel seemingly without end, bunches of egos that need to be fed. Tough work. And like most jobs a few of these people become your fast friends yet a greater share are sort of kept at arms length for a variety of reasons. So I don't see why there wouldn't be some descension in the ranks all over the peloton and not on any one team in particular.0 -
One of the things that I wondered about after reading the USADA decision is why would Lance come back in 2009 and dope.
In 2009 -- if he worked with Catlin, rode clean, and came in 115th in the Tour (and then said that all the young guns are too good for him) -- would any of this have come out? When he came back, he had an opportunity to redefine the Armstrong narrative (or at least make it more complicated). If he rode without the rocket fuel and finished in the pack, and maybe worked for Contador, does he still have his old life? If he acted differently in 2009/2010, would Floyd have sent his letters? Would the feds have knocked on the door?
Is he a sociopath? An ego manic? A drug addict? A pampered elite athlete? A victim? (just like all his ex-teammates) All of these things?0 -
As in the rest of the world this has been big news in Oz. The latest casualty is Stephen Hodge, which given the era he rode is no great surprise. His resignation letter to Cycling Australia is below.The content of Mr Hodge's letter, received today by Cycling Australia, is printed below:
"Letter of Resignation
Dear CA Board and CA members,
I am writing to tender my resignation as a Cycling Australia (CA) Director effective immediately.
Prior to the CA Board meeting on the 16 October 2012 I advised Graham Fredericks and Klaus Mueller that during a stage of my career as a professional cyclist I took performance enhancing drugs—a decision I am not proud of.
I am sorry I did it. It was wrong. I apologise unreservedly to CA, my family, friends, colleagues and cycling fans.
When I made Graham and Klaus aware of my situation I offered to resign. It was agreed that I would immediately stand aside from all CA Board duties in advance of submitting a formal resignation. At no point have I been involved in any CA Board meetings or discussions in relation to the termination of Matt White's contract.
During my time on the CA Board, I have shared CA's strong commitment to the fight against doping. I believe other cyclists should never have to face the same pressures I did during my professional career.
I would also like to believe that in my 13 years as a director of CA I have been able to make a valuable contribution in this regard, as well as helping to encourage the growth and strength of cycling as a sport in Australia.
I am proud to have been associated with this work and believe cycling has come a long way—and in fact has led the way in many instances.
It goes without saying that these are challenging times for cycling. But I feel more hopeful than ever for the future of a sport I love
It has been a privilege to serve on the Board and I am grateful for the time and opportunity of working with you all. I wish CA every success.
Stephen Hodge"
I'm being an optimist and seeing all this as being beneficial to our sport in the long term if it allows a clearing of the decks and the start of a cleaner sport with leaders with backbones and the will to maintain the rage and the desire to do the right thing. But maybe I'm just dreaming....0 -
Is it just me who's seeing inline ads for the Samaritans in this thread? :shock:0
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bompington wrote:Is it just me who's seeing inline ads for the Samaritans in this thread? :shock:
I'm just seeing ads for mid-life crisis BMWs and some insurance products. Perhaps I'm not taking it as badly as you?'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Expensive day yesterday.
Someone's saying yesterday will have cost Armstrong around $30m in future earnings.
Good. I hope they take all his houses and land from him and a huge fine. He has cheated other people into huge sums of money. He should have it taken off him. Wont happen though.Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Expensive day yesterday.
Someone's saying yesterday will have cost Armstrong around $30m in future earnings.
Good. I hope they take all his houses and land from him and a huge fine. He has cheated other people into huge sums of money. He should have it taken off him. Wont happen though.
'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
lol. Funnily enough I was thinking exactly the same thing.LangerDan wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Expensive day yesterday.
Someone's saying yesterday will have cost Armstrong around $30m in future earnings.
Good. I hope they take all his houses and land from him and a huge fine. He has cheated other people into huge sums of money. He should have it taken off him. Wont happen though.Can I upgrade???0 -
dennisn wrote:I'd also like to ask if you feel better when you read more bad news about LA? I've asked that before but didn't get any responce. Along that same line does anyone on this thread believe that Lance ever did anything good in his life? OK, that was sarcastic but the first and second questions do interest me.
Hi Dennis, in isolation to your 2 questions;
1. I had my love of the tour and pro cycling destroyed by LA. he was so obviously a cheat, doper, liar yet he was seen as an angel. IN MY OPINION the charitys etc are money spinners and nothing more (I appreciate the money given to cancer, fwiw, my Cycling Club Chairman died of cancer as did my Father in Law, I know its pain as a 'witness'). When he rode past me while watching the tour I looked away and spat.
This 'outing' is deserved, overdue and in my opinion not yet made its peak, witch hunt? No, justice and I hope a long and very slow destruction of a man I loathe with venomous passion.
2. No, I dont believe LA has done anything good, by that, something for someone without asking or expecting anything in return. He is a bastard through and through.
On a lighter note, I reckon you are a US Cycling journo!0 -
If he'd got Floyd the deal he wanted with Radioshack, all this would never have happened. Which is why the whole Floyd as a martyr thing doesn't really wash with me.Bakunin wrote:One of the things that I wondered about after reading the USADA decision is why would Lance come back in 2009 and dope.
In 2009 -- if he worked with Catlin, rode clean, and came in 115th in the Tour (and then said that all the young guns are too good for him) -- would any of this have come out? When he came back, he had an opportunity to redefine the Armstrong narrative (or at least make it more complicated). If he rode without the rocket fuel and finished in the pack, and maybe worked for Contador, does he still have his old life? If he acted differently in 2009/2010, would Floyd have sent his letters? Would the feds have knocked on the door?
Is he a sociopath? An ego manic? A drug addict? A pampered elite athlete? A victim? (just like all his ex-teammates) All of these things?0 -
None of them are martyr's. However, to tell the truth is better than to lie, and to tell the truth and then actively work to clean up the sport is better still. So for me there is sliding scale of disliking these people with a slight bit of admiration for some.DeadCalm wrote:
If he'd got Floyd the deal he wanted with Radioshack, all this would never have happened. Which is why the whole Floyd as a martyr thing doesn't really wash with me.Bakunin wrote:One of the things that I wondered about after reading the USADA decision is why would Lance come back in 2009 and dope.
In 2009 -- if he worked with Catlin, rode clean, and came in 115th in the Tour (and then said that all the young guns are too good for him) -- would any of this have come out? When he came back, he had an opportunity to redefine the Armstrong narrative (or at least make it more complicated). If he rode without the rocket fuel and finished in the pack, and maybe worked for Contador, does he still have his old life? If he acted differently in 2009/2010, would Floyd have sent his letters? Would the feds have knocked on the door?
Is he a sociopath? An ego manic? A drug addict? A pampered elite athlete? A victim? (just like all his ex-teammates) All of these things?0 -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/colin-liotta/lance-armstrong-harvey-dent_b_1976612.html
Written by a complete c0ck who obviously thinks some cheats should be let go.
Weighing up 'good against bad' repercussions as a reason to leave someone alone is pathetic. The same doping rules apply to Lance as everyone else under the Wada code, you don't make exceptions based on what you perceive them to do outside of the sport... certainly not in ruling/investigating doping.
Also, this line off 'all the good he's done' always refers to 'millions raised for cancer' but they never look at where the money is spent and how efficient the charity is, how much % of the kind donations they receive they spend on promoting their own brand, % on legal fees etc and compare it to other charities.
If (loosely hypothetically) Lance had single handedly raised the amount of money 'he' did and then given it to another cancer charity, it would have done a lot more good for the cause concerned.0 -
The charity is actually exceptionally efficient btw - there are stats on one of the LA threads from an independent charity commission.0
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coriordan wrote:The charity is actually exceptionally efficient btw - there are stats on one of the LA threads from an independent charity commission.
certainly been efficiently used by him as an ATM for his legal fees through the years, and leasing the private jet from his own/part-owned company0 -
Private jets are also not a bad investment, especially for fundraising activities as I said above - just by taking someone on one, they are more likely to cough up more (for the charity) and it can be cheaper to rent them if you have lots of flights in a short period vs the time/cost of charter flights.0
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Bakunin wrote:One of the things that I wondered about after reading the USADA decision is why would Lance come back in 2009 and dope.
In 2009 -- if he worked with Catlin, rode clean, and came in 115th in the Tour (and then said that all the young guns are too good for him) -- would any of this have come out? When he came back, he had an opportunity to redefine the Armstrong narrative (or at least make it more complicated). If he rode without the rocket fuel and finished in the pack, and maybe worked for Contador, does he still have his old life? If he acted differently in 2009/2010, would Floyd have sent his letters? Would the feds have knocked on the door?
Is he a sociopath? An ego manic? A drug addict? A pampered elite athlete? A victim? (just like all his ex-teammates) All of these things?
Because the 2008 rider was considered a clean winner (sastre), and by coming back with his usual tricks he though he could easily win number 8dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
Some of them I think do act as Martyrs - Landis being one.Slim Boy Fat wrote:
None of them are martyr's. However, to tell the truth is better than to lie, and to tell the truth and then actively work to clean up the sport is better still. So for me there is sliding scale of disliking these people with a slight bit of admiration for some.DeadCalm wrote:
If he'd got Floyd the deal he wanted with Radioshack, all this would never have happened. Which is why the whole Floyd as a martyr thing doesn't really wash with me.Bakunin wrote:One of the things that I wondered about after reading the USADA decision is why would Lance come back in 2009 and dope.
In 2009 -- if he worked with Catlin, rode clean, and came in 115th in the Tour (and then said that all the young guns are too good for him) -- would any of this have come out? When he came back, he had an opportunity to redefine the Armstrong narrative (or at least make it more complicated). If he rode without the rocket fuel and finished in the pack, and maybe worked for Contador, does he still have his old life? If he acted differently in 2009/2010, would Floyd have sent his letters? Would the feds have knocked on the door?
Is he a sociopath? An ego manic? A drug addict? A pampered elite athlete? A victim? (just like all his ex-teammates) All of these things?
However I agree with the rest of your comments.
People like Miller have done rather well of of his rise, fall then rise. Hes one of the advisers to WADA isn't he?
The guys intelligent enough to make the most out of his own past.
The guys who have recently come "clean" have just used this as an opportunity to bury some of their bad news in with a whole mountain of bad news that currently resides with LA. This is a typical politicians ploy.
They are making the most out of a situation presented to them by an outright bully's arrogance and resulting fall from grace..Can I upgrade???0 -
I dont consider these guys martyrs as every single one of them could have said no, although the decision wasnt that simple as they would effectivley be unemployable - it was a case of dope with USPS, dope with another team or go home and give up cycling.
Floyd I do actually feel a bit sorry for, when he was first caught one of the first people on the phone was LA, prob telling him to shut the f*** up, and who subesequently paid a huge amount of money to him to try and defend himself. It was then LA that turned on him (and Tyler) and used his usual tricks to descredit them in the eyes ofthe public.dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
mfin wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/colin-liotta/lance-armstrong-harvey-dent_b_1976612.html
Written by a complete c0ck who obviously thinks some cheats should be let go.
Weighing up 'good against bad' repercussions as a reason to leave someone alone is pathetic. The same doping rules apply to Lance as everyone else under the Wada code, you don't make exceptions based on what you perceive them to do outside of the sport... certainly not in ruling/investigating doping.
Also, this line off 'all the good he's done' always refers to 'millions raised for cancer' but they never look at where the money is spent and how efficient the charity is, how much % of the kind donations they receive they spend on promoting their own brand, % on legal fees etc and compare it to other charities.
If (loosely hypothetically) Lance had single handedly raised the amount of money 'he' did and then given it to another cancer charity, it would have done a lot more good for the cause concerned.
Possibly one of the dumbest articles of all time ever of all time.
Colin Liotta is clearly an idiot of the first water.
Its so stupid its hard to know where to start.
my gast is well and truly flabbered, I have to say, and I don't flabber easily.0 -
coriordan wrote:Private jets are also not a bad investment, especially for fundraising activities as I said above - just by taking someone on one, they are more likely to cough up more (for the charity) and it can be cheaper to rent them if you have lots of flights in a short period vs the time/cost of charter flights.
My point was that Armstrong was making money for himself from the LS funds, in this way0 -
bigdawg wrote:I dont consider these guys martyrs as every single one of them could have said no, although the decision wasnt that simple as they would effectivley be unemployable - it was a case of dope with USPS, dope with another team or go home and give up cycling.
Floyd I do actually feel a bit sorry for, when he was first caught one of the first people on the phone was LA, prob telling him to shut the f*** up, and who subesequently paid a huge amount of money to him to try and defend himself. It was then LA that turned on him (and Tyler) and used his usual tricks to descredit them in the eyes ofthe public.
Ol' Floyd's Fairness Fund didnt/doesnt do him any favours in my eyes, I'm afraid0 -
Bobby Knights aphorism about sports journalism - "All of us learn to write in the second grade. Most of us go on to greater things" - could have been written for Liotta.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0
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Richmond Racer wrote:coriordan wrote:Private jets are also not a bad investment, especially for fundraising activities as I said above - just by taking someone on one, they are more likely to cough up more (for the charity) and it can be cheaper to rent them if you have lots of flights in a short period vs the time/cost of charter flights.
My point was that Armstrong was making money for himself from the LS funds, in this way
Oh yeah, without a doubt - but he is quite the shrewd businessman0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:bigdawg wrote:I dont consider these guys martyrs as every single one of them could have said no, although the decision wasnt that simple as they would effectivley be unemployable - it was a case of dope with USPS, dope with another team or go home and give up cycling.
Floyd I do actually feel a bit sorry for, when he was first caught one of the first people on the phone was LA, prob telling him to shut the f*** up, and who subesequently paid a huge amount of money to him to try and defend himself. It was then LA that turned on him (and Tyler) and used his usual tricks to descredit them in the eyes ofthe public.
Ol' Floyd's Fairness Fund didnt/doesnt do him any favours in my eyes, I'm afraid
Im in total agreement with you on that - although he has just been through a court case which resulted in him having to pay back as much as possible to the donors - which he's happy with - with the exception of the biggest donor - Tailwind sports who iseem to recall may have had a hand in starting it...dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0
