Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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dennisn wrote:
And this surprises you HOW? :?disgruntledgoat wrote:emadden wrote:TheStone wrote:frenchfighter wrote:If he didn't have Livestrong he would be totally and utterly screwed. Totally. It's his ONLY vestige of hope that the public doesn't turn on him badly.
I'm amazed the big press hasn't dug into Livestrong yet. There's plenty there to feed on.
Its only a matter of time... This is beginning to snow ball... Magazines and publishers are going to jump on the bandwagon too. I reckon there will be some great books out for Xmas 2013 too :-)
But this, for me, is the worst of it. For more than a decade these valiant seekers of the truth shut up and took the money and prestiege that came with being on the list of "approved" Armstrong journos and now want to play it both ways.
I'm reminded of the motto of Londons Royal Society. "Nullius in verba" or "Take nobody's word for it"
IT doesnt SURPRISE anyone, IT is JUST a BIT dissapointing WHEN people IN a POSITION of TRUST don't HOLD up THEIR end OF the BARGIN
And you wonder why threads continue when you yourself are continuing the thread by posting you wonderings....We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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What a load of rot. I've never been able to stand the implication that having had cancer makes him more of a hero than any other rider in the peleton (or any athlete or para-athlete); I've always thought it patronising and reductive.Le Commentateur wrote:0 -
Turfle wrote:Do you think he'll eventually admit it, dennis?
I believe he admitted it to himself years ago. Pretty hard to lie to yourself about what you've done or are doing. Not sure if he will admit to you and I. I think he will be better off in the long run if he does but there are egos in this world that can't get past the idea of confession. Maybe he has already confessed to friends and family. Especially family. If you can't see it in yourself to confess to family then your life is over. As for me I don't need an apology. He, like many others, cheated in order to win at a sporting event. I didn't need or desire all the apologies from the others and I don't need his.0 -
Will he confess before we get to 100 pages???“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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But aren't you the one who gave them your trust. Why would you do that? Simply because they write books or articles for newspapers for a living? Since when has an author been considered trustworthy simply because he was an author? They didn't break "their end of the bargain". Then didn't have any bargain with you. YOU gave them something they didn't deserve. Your trust.ddraver wrote:dennisn wrote:
And this surprises you HOW? :?disgruntledgoat wrote:emadden wrote:TheStone wrote:frenchfighter wrote:If he didn't have Livestrong he would be totally and utterly screwed. Totally. It's his ONLY vestige of hope that the public doesn't turn on him badly.
I'm amazed the big press hasn't dug into Livestrong yet. There's plenty there to feed on.
Its only a matter of time... This is beginning to snow ball... Magazines and publishers are going to jump on the bandwagon too. I reckon there will be some great books out for Xmas 2013 too :-)
But this, for me, is the worst of it. For more than a decade these valiant seekers of the truth shut up and took the money and prestiege that came with being on the list of "approved" Armstrong journos and now want to play it both ways.
I'm reminded of the motto of Londons Royal Society. "Nullius in verba" or "Take nobody's word for it"
IT doesnt SURPRISE anyone, IT is JUST a BIT dissapointing WHEN people IN a POSITION of TRUST don't HOLD up THEIR end OF the BARGIN0 -
Lance Armstrong The Secret Race ? He must be at break point. This latest move of his is not move on but buying time to think.0
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I get the feeling LA doesn't think he has done anything wrong. With everyone at it he came up with a better system and out cheated the other cheaters. I think he can't see anything wrong with that and so doesn't see himself as a cheat0
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ddraver[b] wrote:@lance armstrong - the trouble with trouble is it starts out as fun[/b]
has LA posted that (im not on twitter)?? That sounds like the inkling of a confession...?!dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
Dave_1 wrote:Lance Armstrong The Secret Race ? He must be at break point. This latest move of his is not move on but buying time to think.
Who can say(except LA) what's going through his mind right how. The world he built is or already has crumbled and I don't see much left for him to save(for lack of a better word) except for himself. Many, many people lose it all through their own fault yet most manage to make peace with whomever they need to and at least are able to live life with a little dignity. I hope LA can make his peace. Without it life can be very miserable and that's no good for anyone.0 -
An example of the human spirit triumphing over disease... Let me pause a moment to digest this.
So he was diagnosed with cancer, had treatment, got lucky, got healed. Got on his bike again. Decided to cheat / carry on cheating.
I can't see how this in any way makes him a hero and a role model as the article suggests
A tribute to his medical staff perhaps but not to him. Many people fight bravely don't get lucky and die
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pb21 wrote:mfin wrote:So, if Nike now seem to believe it... any supporters of LA left on here that still think he's innocent??
Nike dropping him isn’t an indicator of what they believe. They don’t care about doping, only $$$
They do care about their image by (stopping) associating with him as well as the money.0 -
Mikey23 wrote:An example of the human spirit triumphing over disease... Let me pause a moment to digest this.
So he was diagnosed with cancer, had treatment, got lucky, got healed. Got on his bike again. Decided to cheat / carry on cheating.
I can't see how this in any way makes him a hero and a role model as the article suggests
A tribute to his medical staff perhaps but not to him. Many people fight bravely don't get lucky and die
Or am I missing something?
Or is it (an please correct my timeline here)
Have average career taking products.
Get cancer (which may have been caused by your amateurish use of products).
Get professional doc and product and become winner.
Just asking.+++++++++++++++++++++
we are the proud, the few, Descendents.
Panama - finally putting a nail in the economic theory of the trickle down effect.0 -
sherer wrote:I get the feeling LA doesn't think he has done anything wrong. With everyone at it he came up with a better system and out cheated the other cheaters. I think he can't see anything wrong with that and so doesn't see himself as a cheat
i don't buy that. Whether or not everyone does it really isn't the question or the excuse. He doesn't appear to be a stupid man so I've got to assume he knew it was wrong. Just because all my friends are out robbing banks and breaking into houses doesn't mean that I would believe or rationalize that it's OK for me to join in. Even a sick mind usually knows right from wrong. No, he knows he did the wrong thing. Only question now is how does he deal with it.0 -
mfin wrote:pb21 wrote:mfin wrote:So, if Nike now seem to believe it... any supporters of LA left on here that still think he's innocent??
Nike dropping him isn’t an indicator of what they believe. They don’t care about doping, only $$$
They do care about their image by (stopping) associating with him as well as the money.
+1.... and besides they are bigger than LA or Tiger Woods. They set the rules for being associated with them. LA, Tiger, etc. are really small fish in Nikes game.0 -
He knows he broke the rules, but he still doesn't think he did anything wrong. Read any autobiography by a career criminal and they can always morally justify everything they did.dennisn wrote:sherer wrote:I get the feeling LA doesn't think he has done anything wrong. With everyone at it he came up with a better system and out cheated the other cheaters. I think he can't see anything wrong with that and so doesn't see himself as a cheat
i don't buy that. Whether or not everyone does it really isn't the question or the excuse. He doesn't appear to be a stupid man so I've got to assume he knew it was wrong. Just because all my friends are out robbing banks and breaking into houses doesn't mean that I would believe or rationalize that it's OK for me to join in. Even a sick mind usually knows right from wrong. No, he knows he did the wrong thing. Only question now is how does he deal with it.0 -
Smokin Joe wrote:
He knows he broke the rules, but he still doesn't think he did anything wrong. Read any autobiography by a career criminal and they can always morally justify everything they did.dennisn wrote:sherer wrote:I get the feeling LA doesn't think he has done anything wrong. With everyone at it he came up with a better system and out cheated the other cheaters. I think he can't see anything wrong with that and so doesn't see himself as a cheat
i don't buy that. Whether or not everyone does it really isn't the question or the excuse. He doesn't appear to be a stupid man so I've got to assume he knew it was wrong. Just because all my friends are out robbing banks and breaking into houses doesn't mean that I would believe or rationalize that it's OK for me to join in. Even a sick mind usually knows right from wrong. No, he knows he did the wrong thing. Only question now is how does he deal with it.
Right, everyone can morally justify most things that they did wrong in their lives. But you hide the wrong things that you do for a reason and that's because you know they are wrong and that it won't sit well with people if you do these things out in the open.0 -
dennisn wrote:Where will it leave me if he confesses? Well, before he came on the scene I rode my bike, went to work, played my fiddle, went skiing, and lifted some weights. While he was winning it all I rode my bike, went to work, played..... Now that he's gone I still ride my bike, have since retired, still play....... Hopefully that is simple enough for everyone to understand but I have my doubts.
Thanks - very clear. I notice that "follow cycling as a sport" wasn't on the list, so they explains why you don't give a toss.
As we always said.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Still lots of life left in this........
1. UCI repsonse - they're completely cornered (have they really got time to sue Kimmage ?)
2. Whose else will distance themselves from him ? His so called celeb friends ? Oakly ? Trek ?
3. Will the Fed investigation be re-opened ?
4. Will the SCA/Times take action ?
5. Will he be supeonaed for perjury (SCA case) ?
6. Will he come clean and bring down the UCI (unlikely) ?
7. Bruyneel - will he call him as a witless ?
8. Will some of the others who won't speak, now speak up (livingston etc) ?
9. Will VerBUNGen/Mquid resign ?
9. Will Roger Irrelevant finally elope with that armchair...........
Going to be an even more interesting few weeks than we've had up to now...........
But as the OP said.............Joke of a sport. Move on0 -
What happens in Toulouse stays in Toulouse.Richmond Racer wrote:fidgetyphil wrote:He can't confess. There is too much tolouse.
Why, what happened in Toulouse? What Tour was that?
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itisaboutthebike wrote:Still lots of life left in this........
1. UCI repsonse - they're completely cornered (have they really got time to sue Kimmage ?)
2. Whose else will distance themselves from him ? His so called celeb friends ? Oakly ? Trek ?
3. Will the Fed investigation be re-opened ?
4. Will the SCA/Times take action ?
5. Will he be supeonaed for perjury (SCA case) ?
6. Will he come clean and bring down the UCI (unlikely) ?
7. Bruyneel - will he call him as a witless ?
8. Will some of the others who won't speak, now speak up (livingston etc) ?
9. Will VerBUNGen/Mquid resign ?
9. Will Roger Irrelevant finally elope with that armchair...........
Going to be an even more interesting few weeks than we've had up to now...........
But as the OP said.............Joke of a sport. Move on
Its not a joke of a sport. At least as far as most of us on here appear to think. Well, apart from Dennis.0 -
Joke of a sport. Move on
I've been watching cycling for 33 years, and unfortunalty I'm afraid it is getting to be a bit of a joke.
I watched something on Utube on Greg Lemonds 89 & 90 Tour wins. The racing is so much more, lets just say 'open' that it became post '91. Although speeds have supposadly dropped on the climbs , it doesn't seem that way to me, with so many riders being able to keep in the front group for so long. Fishy.0 -
Yes, they just want to sell lots of Nike-banded stuff to as many people as possible. Corporations don't 'believe' in anything except the power of branding.pb21 wrote:mfin wrote:So, if Nike now seem to believe it... any supporters of LA left on here that still think he's innocent??
Nike dropping him isn’t an indicator of what they believe. They don’t care about doping, only $$$0 -
Not many bids on this pile of LA shyte............
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Sure he knew it was wrong but didn't believe it was unacceptable because everyone else was at it. To get and retain what he wanted he had to keep it secret. However where things get interesting is when you look at the longer-term protection of what he gained. He may have to give up the victories, which may have been the original motivation for doping, but how to retain the wealth and status, at least at home. The twin trajectories of the two King Rats, Armstrong and Bruyneel are fascinating: one has set up a cult to act as both a human shield for his PR, as well as bring in a more legitimate future income; the other has bunkered down in injunction-friendly London with his private wealth investor friends after years of being paid silly money (rumoured €150,000 a month by RadioShack as a consultant General Manager).dennisn wrote:Right, everyone can morally justify most things that they did wrong in their lives. But you hide the wrong things that you do for a reason and that's because you know they are wrong and that it won't sit well with people if you do these things out in the open.0 -
not sure if they can reopen the Fed case as if they do it will only reflect bad on themselves and make it seem as if it was LAs political connections that got it closed in the first place0
