Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • oneof1982
    oneof1982 Posts: 703
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    Not many bids on this pile of LA shyte............

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksi ... &_from=R40

    Apparently LA is the seller. Need the dosh. :lol:
  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    Someone was asking if there any LA fanboys left.........

    Try this sad deluded idiot...........

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCE-ARMSTRO ... 35c0939fda

    No takers eh ?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    Still lots of life left in this........

    1. UCI repsonse - they're completely cornered (have they really got time to sue Kimmage ?)
    2. Whose else will distance themselves from him ? His so called celeb friends ? Oakly ? Trek ?
    3. Will the Fed investigation be re-opened ?
    4. Will the SCA/Times take action ?
    5. Will he be supeonaed for perjury (SCA case) ?
    6. Will he come clean and bring down the UCI (unlikely) ?
    7. Bruyneel - will he call him as a witless ?
    8. Will some of the others who won't speak, now speak up (livingston etc) ?
    9. Will VerBUNGen/Mquid resign ?
    9. Will Roger Irrelevant finally elope with that armchair...........

    Going to be an even more interesting few weeks than we've had up to now...........

    But as the OP said.............
    Joke of a sport. Move on

    1. They will ratify the USADA and still sue Kimmage (and will win)
    2. Most of them. Trek may stay loyal.
    3. No
    4. Times maybe, SCA no
    5. No
    6. No
    7. He will neither call him witless or call him as a witness
    8. Maybe. But only if they have something to gain (or not lose)
    9. No, but Verbruggen may be encouraged to retire (to the IOC gravy train).
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • oneof1982
    oneof1982 Posts: 703
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    Still lots of life left in this........

    1. UCI repsonse - they're completely cornered (have they really got time to sue Kimmage ?)
    2. Whose else will distance themselves from him ? His so called celeb friends ? Oakly ? Trek ?
    3. Will the Fed investigation be re-opened ?
    4. Will the SCA/Times take action ?
    5. Will he be supeonaed for perjury (SCA case) ?
    6. Will he come clean and bring down the UCI (unlikely) ?
    7. Bruyneel - will he call him as a witless ?
    8. Will some of the others who won't speak, now speak up (livingston etc) ?
    9. Will VerBUNGen/Mquid resign ?
    9. Will Roger Irrelevant finally elope with that armchair...........

    Going to be an even more interesting few weeks than we've had up to now...........

    But as the OP said.............
    Joke of a sport. Move on

    SCA lost their case based on Lance being declared the "winner of the race". If this is changed i.e. Lance is no longer "winner of the race" then I would suspect there is every possibility of them bringing action. I think this takes us to big money, and big problems for Lance.
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    edited October 2012
    RichN95 wrote:
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    Still lots of life left in this........

    1. UCI repsonse - they're completely cornered (have they really got time to sue Kimmage ?)
    2. Whose else will distance themselves from him ? His so called celeb friends ? Oakly ? Trek ?
    3. Will the Fed investigation be re-opened ?
    4. Will the SCA/Times take action ?
    5. Will he be supeonaed for perjury (SCA case) ?
    6. Will he come clean and bring down the UCI (unlikely) ?
    7. Bruyneel - will he call him as a witless ?
    8. Will some of the others who won't speak, now speak up (livingston etc) ?
    9. Will VerBUNGen/Mquid resign ?
    9. Will Roger Irrelevant finally elope with that armchair...........

    Going to be an even more interesting few weeks than we've had up to now...........

    But as the OP said.............
    Joke of a sport. Move on

    1. They will ratify the USADA and still sue Kimmage (and will win)
    2. Most of them. Trek may stay loyal.
    3. No
    4. Times maybe, SCA no
    5. No
    6. No
    7. He will neither call him witless or call him as a witness
    8. Maybe. But only if they have something to gain (or not lose)
    9. No, but Verbruggen may be encouraged to retire (to the IOC gravy train).

    Here is my personal view
    1. Remains to be seen, depends how much they were really involved in which case it's a matter of selecting the least damaging option.
    2. Not so keen on Nike anymore... Sponsors should have acted sooner. Would be interesting if there is evidence of sponsors' involvement in a cover up (e.g. Nike payment, Oakley being aware of doping, etc).
    3. They are under pressure to re-open it if there is sufficient evidence
    4. Both will try to if there is an option. if LA gets stripped of all his tours then SCA may still be able to counter sue
    5. I think he will...
    6. No
    7. That would put LA at even greater risk for perjury so don't think he'll accept
    8. Only if there is proof of cover up
    9. same as above
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    Not many bids on this pile of LA shyte............

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksi ... &_from=R40


    surprise .... 23 bidders @ £400
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCE-ARMSTRO ... 2c68f0574f
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    tarzan13 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    5. Will he be supeonaed for perjury (SCA case) ?
    5. No
    5. I think he will...
    The Statute of Limitiations for a perjury prosectution passed a long time ago.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,351
    I haven't read all 1800odd posts, I will admit.
    I had cancer and by the time I got back on my bike, I had to start all over again from a below rock bottom position. Thats why having had chemo, I held Lance in high regard for his athletic ability (certainly not his personality). All I can think is that this is a very very sad and black chapter in our sport and the level of cynicism amongst us and the GP towards proffessional cycling cannot be good.
    Where does it end ? When can we draw a line under it and move on ? If the fraternity of cycling is to blame for the intrinsic drug use, then can we blame/punish the individual ? Surely that is the question.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    iainf72 wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Where will it leave me if he confesses? Well, before he came on the scene I rode my bike, went to work, played my fiddle, went skiing, and lifted some weights. While he was winning it all I rode my bike, went to work, played..... Now that he's gone I still ride my bike, have since retired, still play....... Hopefully that is simple enough for everyone to understand but I have my doubts.

    Thanks - very clear. I notice that "follow cycling as a sport" wasn't on the list, so they explains why you don't give a toss.

    As we always said.

    I watched every stage of this years tour and I'm thinking that gives me just a wee bit of credibility for "follow cycling as a sport".
    In any case where does all this leave you after all these years? I'm betting you were working, riding, getting on with your life, etc. before LA. Now, whether LA confesses or not where will you be? Possibly working, riding, getting on with your life, etc.? What will change in your life? :?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    Still lots of life left in this........

    1. UCI repsonse - they're completely cornered (have they really got time to sue Kimmage ?)
    2. Whose else will distance themselves from him ? His so called celeb friends ? Oakly ? Trek ?
    3. Will the Fed investigation be re-opened ?
    4. Will the SCA/Times take action ?
    5. Will he be supeonaed for perjury (SCA case) ?
    6. Will he come clean and bring down the UCI (unlikely) ?
    7. Bruyneel - will he call him as a witless ?
    8. Will some of the others who won't speak, now speak up (livingston etc) ?
    9. Will VerBUNGen/Mquid resign ?
    9. Will Roger Irrelevant finally elope with that armchair...........

    Going to be an even more interesting few weeks than we've had up to now...........

    But as the OP said.............
    Joke of a sport. Move on


    Its not a joke of a sport. At least as far as most of us on here appear to think. Well, apart from Dennis.

    When did I say that????
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,439
    dennisn wrote:
    I watched every stage of this years tour and I'm thinking that gives me just a wee bit of credibility for "follow cycling as a sport".


    That's called 'leading with your chin'.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,439
    THE BBC wrote:
    Former England footballer Geoff Thomas was inspired to set up his own foundation after reading Armstrong's autobiography days after being diagnosed with chronic myeloid leukaemia in 2003.

    Thomas, who was awarded the 2005 BBC Sports Personality Helen Rollason Award in recognition of his charity work, said Armstrong "had done the right thing" by stepping down as chairman.

    "I think it's damage limitation while everything is going as it is - there's a news story about Lance every day," the 48-year-old told BBC Sport.

    "Lance stepping down will probably take the heat away from the charity itself and put the focus solely on him."

    Thomas contacted Armstrong on Twitter , writing: "@lancearmstrong please for your sake, come clean. If not yours, for the millions you have inspired over the last 15+ years."
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • pat1cp
    pat1cp Posts: 766
    Apparently Budweiser have dropped him too. House of cards.....
    http://tinyurl.com/332edp
    http://tinyurl.com/2nu7r3
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Right, everyone can morally justify most things that they did wrong in their lives. But you hide the wrong things that you do for a reason and that's because you know they are wrong and that it won't sit well with people if you do these things out in the open.
    Sure he knew it was wrong but didn't believe it was unacceptable because everyone else was at it. ......

    I'll buy that. It's the same idea / concept many, many athletes, in many sports, have. LA is not a rare case of this. I'm not a pro rider but I'll bet the thinking is that doping is acceptable among the riders and teams. Sort of a we do it, you do it, and it's a level playing field type of thing. This goes on for years and who cares? Finally the bubble bursts and all the sh*t hits the fan and it ain't pretty. Still people who engage in activities that they keep hidden have hidden these things for a reason. They know these "activities" may be acceptable to their fellow riders / players but "the big money" doesn't want even a whisper of it. Robbing a bank is very acceptable among thieves but mostly frowned upon by the populace.
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    RichN95 wrote:
    tarzan13 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    5. Will he be supeonaed for perjury (SCA case) ?
    5. No
    5. I think he will...
    The Statute of Limitiations for a perjury prosectution passed a long time ago.

    Isn't the 3-4 yr time frame valid from discovery of perjury? Can someone with sufficient knowledge confirm - thx
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    tarzan13 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    tarzan13 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    5. Will he be supeonaed for perjury (SCA case) ?
    5. No
    5. I think he will...
    The Statute of Limitiations for a perjury prosectution passed a long time ago.

    Isn't the 3-4 yr time frame valid from discovery of perjury? Can someone with sufficient knowledge confirm - thx

    Yes. The maximum in Texas is 3 years. The SCA case was in 2006.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    Hey Paul....................just show yje Swiss court this (and get Anne Gropper to testify)........the UCI are screwed...........
    Gripper talked about Lance Armstrong and specifically about how the UCI bent the rules to allow him to return to competition at the 2009 Tour Down Under.
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    RichN95 wrote:
    tarzan13 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    tarzan13 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    5. Will he be supeonaed for perjury (SCA case) ?
    5. No
    5. I think he will...
    The Statute of Limitiations for a perjury prosectution passed a long time ago.

    Isn't the 3-4 yr time frame valid from discovery of perjury? Can someone with sufficient knowledge confirm - thx

    Yes. The maximum in Texas is 3 years. The SCA case was in 2006.

    Hi RichN95
    Thanks for the confirmation. For some reason I was under the assumption that the discovery date of the perjury = date when it was established that he lied (2012)
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    tarzan13 wrote:

    Hi RichN95
    Thanks for the confirmation. For some reason I was under the assumption that the discovery date of the perjury = date when it was established that he lied (2012)
    You may be right. I only know Intellectual Property law.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    There is good reason to believe SCA will bring an action against Armstrong once he loses his titles. It is too much money or them not to litigate, though I suspect LA will just settle.
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    RichN95 wrote:
    tarzan13 wrote:

    Hi RichN95
    Thanks for the confirmation. For some reason I was under the assumption that the discovery date of the perjury = date when it was established that he lied (2012)
    You may be right. I only know Intellectual Property law.

    That is a lot more than me....
  • Richrd2205
    Richrd2205 Posts: 1,267
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    Interesting view from a neuropsychologist. Apparently it's all about winning, winning trumps ethics, especially as they were all at it over there in Europe anyway. Collateral damage is inevitable, whether it is whistle-blowers like Bassons or somebodyelse who is in the way, so shed a tear and then get back appreciating the lust for glory.

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the ... still-hero

    I guess he too has a vested interest, plugging his own book about winning (advertised in his biog).

    As Adolf Hitler said, “It is not truth that matters, but victory.”
    It isn't interesting. It's opinion & self-marketing passed off as expertise. There are some truths in there, but they are buried in the desire to sell his book & write something that'll generate hits. & he's a "neuropsychologist." That should say it all, really...
  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the ... still-hero

    Tosser...........
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    iainf72 wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Where will it leave me if he confesses? Well, before he came on the scene I rode my bike, went to work, played my fiddle, went skiing, and lifted some weights. While he was winning it all I rode my bike, went to work, played..... Now that he's gone I still ride my bike, have since retired, still play....... Hopefully that is simple enough for everyone to understand but I have my doubts.

    Thanks - very clear. I notice that "follow cycling as a sport" wasn't on the list, so they explains why you don't give a toss.

    Ya know what? You're dead wrong. I do give a "toss" for "cycling as a sport".
    From the mid 70's to the turn of the century I was a dues paying member of the local race club "Maumee Valley Wheelmen". I was a racer(and a poor one) the newletter editor, the race director, held every office you could hold in the club, sometimes 2 or 3 at a time. I have most likely attended more races in the Toledo area, in all sorts of capacities, than anyone i know. I've raced, I've stood on corners marshalling, I've held more guys up at the start of a time trial than I care to think about, I've worked on club business, I've attended way to many club meetings, I've been a US Cycling Federation Official since the mid 80's and still am, I've sweated ay *ss off on many a hot summer day sweeping gravel off the corners of a race course, I've been bit by more bugs than a man should be while simply turning the lap cards at crits, I've done the "Bike Tour Of Colorado" 6 times, I've ridden more 2 day, 100 mile a day and slept on more gym floors than most people ever will. Lately I haven't been very active in these things but that might change at any time. So, if you think for a moment that I don't give a "toss" then you're simply full of sh*t. I realize that you READ everything about cycling but for all your "knowledge", until you DO all that I have done, I remain very unimpressed. :P :P
  • Bakunin
    Bakunin Posts: 868
    dennisn wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Where will it leave me if he confesses? Well, before he came on the scene I rode my bike, went to work, played my fiddle, went skiing, and lifted some weights. While he was winning it all I rode my bike, went to work, played..... Now that he's gone I still ride my bike, have since retired, still play....... Hopefully that is simple enough for everyone to understand but I have my doubts.

    Thanks - very clear. I notice that "follow cycling as a sport" wasn't on the list, so they explains why you don't give a toss.

    Ya know what? You're dead wrong. I do give a "toss" for "cycling as a sport".
    From the mid 70's to the turn of the century I was a dues paying member of the local race club "Maumee Valley Wheelmen". I was a racer(and a poor one) the newletter editor, the race director, held every office you could hold in the club, sometimes 2 or 3 at a time. I have most likely attended more races in the Toledo area, in all sorts of capacities, than anyone i know. I've raced, I've stood on corners marshalling, I've held more guys up at the start of a time trial than I care to think about, I've worked on club business, I've attended way to many club meetings, I've been a US Cycling Federation Official since the mid 80's and still am, I've sweated ay *ss off on many a hot summer day sweeping gravel off the corners of a race course, I've been bit by more bugs than a man should be while simply turning the lap cards at crits, I've done the "Bike Tour Of Colorado" 6 times, I've ridden more 2 day, 100 mile a day and slept on more gym floors than most people ever will. Lately I haven't been very active in these things but that might change at any time. So, if you think for a moment that I don't give a "toss" then you're simply full of sh*t. I realize that you READ everything about cycling but for all your "knowledge", until you DO all that I have done, I remain very unimpressed. :P :P

    Jupiter called...they want you to come back home.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    And that's got what to do with following pro cycling? The square root of nothing. You don't give a toss about pro cycling, which is what this forum is about. I don't give a toss about track cycling, or amateur cycling but don't search the internet to try and antagonise people who do enjoy it.

    I don't ride bikes, but I know about the subject at hand. I'd also not comment on all the stuff you've done because I have no interest in it.

    You are a master troll though - One of the best.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Bakunin
    Bakunin Posts: 868
    "These are great days we're living, bros..."

    Every day is Christmas...Nike, Bud, Trek.
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    We'll always have Oakley.
  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    Every day is Christmas...Nike, Bud, Trek.

    Get in line you suites - Croakly next ?

    Kevin Livingstone will be shafting him next.............
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    Kevin Livingstone will be shafting him next.............

    What's he's running for Mayor of Austin, oh sorry, that's Ken

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