Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    tarzan13 wrote:
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    Not many bids on this pile of LA shyte............

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksi ... &_from=R40


    surprise .... 23 bidders @ £400
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCE-ARMSTRO ... 2c68f0574f
    I dunno - rare item worn by notorious dope-cheat Lance Armstrong may add to the value...
  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    He's being crushed.............just like he was trying to crush other people.

    What comes around.............

    I really think he could end up doing porridge..............
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    andy_wrx wrote:
    tarzan13 wrote:
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    Not many bids on this pile of LA shyte............

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksi ... &_from=R40


    surprise .... 23 bidders @ £400
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCE-ARMSTRO ... 2c68f0574f
    I dunno - rare item worn by notorious dope-cheat Lance Armstrong may add to the value...

    Yep, you're right Im sure. Jim'll Fix It badges are selling fine on eBay too http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jimll-Fix-It-Medal-Badge-1977-series-3-episode-2-Jimmy-Saville-/221139169063?pt=UK_Collectables_Badges_Patches_MJ&hash=item337cebef27
  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    Yep, you're right Im sure. Jim'll Fix It badges are selling fine on eBay too http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jimll-Fix-It- ... 337cebef27

    yeah...............but they've had to include free P&P
  • PBo
    PBo Posts: 2,493
    mfin wrote:
    andy_wrx wrote:
    tarzan13 wrote:
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    Not many bids on this pile of LA shyte............

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksi ... &_from=R40


    surprise .... 23 bidders @ £400
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCE-ARMSTRO ... 2c68f0574f
    I dunno - rare item worn by notorious dope-cheat Lance Armstrong may add to the value...

    Yep, you're right Im sure. Jim'll Fix It badges are selling fine on eBay too http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jimll-Fix-It-Medal-Badge-1977-series-3-episode-2-Jimmy-Saville-/221139169063?pt=UK_Collectables_Badges_Patches_MJ&hash=item337cebef27

    I'm feeling slightly nauseous about the reference to the "sticky" badge.....
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2012/10/17/lance-armstrong-stepping-down-as-chairman-of-his-livestrong-cancer-fighting-charity/1638341/

    Dont know if anyone had posted this link... list of a few other companies dropping Lance today apart from Nike, Trek etc
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    PBo wrote:
    I'm feeling slightly nauseous about the reference to the "sticky" badge.....

    Move the quote marks round both words, and "sticky badge" sounds worse :)
  • PBo
    PBo Posts: 2,493
    itisaboutthebike wrote:
    Every day is Christmas...Nike, Bud, Trek.

    Get in line you suites -

    why are the sofas queuing? :wink:
  • PBo
    PBo Posts: 2,493
    fidgetyphil wrote:
    He can't confess. There is too much tolouse.
    La Trek?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    iainf72 wrote:
    And that's got what to do with following pro cycling? The square root of nothing. You don't give a toss about pro cycling, which is what this forum is about. I don't give a toss about track cycling, or amateur cycling but don't search the internet to try and antagonise people who do enjoy it.

    I don't ride bikes, but I know about the subject at hand. I'd also not comment on all the stuff you've done because I have no interest in it.

    You are a master troll though - One of the best.

    i rest my case as far as you're concerned. You don't know squat about cycling. Get your butt out there and lend a hand and maybe, just maybe someone might take what you say seriously.
  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    dennisn wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    And that's got what to do with following pro cycling? The square root of nothing. You don't give a toss about pro cycling, which is what this forum is about. I don't give a toss about track cycling, or amateur cycling but don't search the internet to try and antagonise people who do enjoy it.

    i rest my case as far as you're concerned. You don't know squat about cycling. Get your butt out there and lend a hand and maybe, just maybe someone might take what you say seriously.
    Let's try again Dennis... this is PROFESSIONAL cycling we are talking about, not amateur racing. You don't have to take part to understand PROFESSIONAL cycling!
    Repeat... that's PROFESSIONAL cycling - the bikes on the telly, not tea and biscuits in a lay-by stuff
    Strava
    Race reports
    Bike Aero Data
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    nic_77 wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    And that's got what to do with following pro cycling? The square root of nothing. You don't give a toss about pro cycling, which is what this forum is about. I don't give a toss about track cycling, or amateur cycling but don't search the internet to try and antagonise people who do enjoy it.

    i rest my case as far as you're concerned. You don't know squat about cycling. Get your butt out there and lend a hand and maybe, just maybe someone might take what you say seriously.
    Let's try again Dennis... this is PROFESSIONAL cycling we are talking about, not amateur racing. You don't have to take part to understand PROFESSIONAL cycling!
    Repeat... that's PROFESSIONAL cycling - the bikes on the telly, not tea and biscuits in a lay-by stuff

    Bullsh*t. You claim to know about bike racing and you're not even involved at its lowest levels. Are you kidding me?? All this cr*p you've been laying on me and you haven't even participated or helped out at a local level. Pitiful. Yet you tell me you know all about pro cycling. That's like claiming you know football(in it's many forms) yet have never played the game. Any of you out there ever won or placed highly in a local crit? Well, shame on me for believing that I was talking with anyone who had ever been involved with actual cycling other than reading about it and maybe riding a mile or two. Pathetic, to say the least. :roll:
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,699
    anything rather than talking about the topic at hand eh dennis?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • fidgetyphil
    fidgetyphil Posts: 80
    anything rather than talking about the topic at hand eh dennis?

    Sorry this is a forum about dennis isn't it? Or am I in the wrong place?

    Enough about me, what do you think about me?
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    He is a boring troll, just ignore him and he will go away and witter on about his bollocks elsewhere.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Hein says there is no evidence Lance tested positive.

    Jaysus
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,728
    You know things are bad, when the Spanish smell blood:
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/spains- ... -armstrong

    The ultimate irony?
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Oh Michale!
    “this collaboration consisted exclusively of advice on training, saddle height adjustments, aerodynamic positioning, locations for training programs and competitions: NOTHING to do with doping.”

    As one commenter below notes, I'm running a special offer this month only, I'll adjust your saddle, I'll even throw in the electrical tape to mark it's new height with, and I'll adjust your aero bars. All this plus 2 cups of coffee for just $50,000!

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/dr-michele-ferrari-denies-all-calls-usadas-case-a-conspiracy_261732
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • Nick Fitt
    Nick Fitt Posts: 381
    iainf72 wrote:
    Hein says there is no evidence Lance tested positive.

    Jaysus

    This implied cover with Nike and Hein is going to explode if its in the slightest bit true. I reckon this scandal will run for years and people are going to go to jail.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1373 ... -drug-test

    USADA's explosive "reasoned decision" has focused new attention on people who have claimed for years that the cyclist's success was fueled by performance-enhancing drugs – critics who found themselves threatened by Armstrong and his lawyers and marginalized in the media. One of those critics is Kathy LeMond, the wife of American cyclist Greg LeMond, who testified under oath during a 2006 deposition that Nike paid former UCI president Hein Verbruggen $500,000 to cover up a positive drug test.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    Think people are reading too much into the Nike money to Hein. It's basically chinese whispers as Kathy heard from someone else who "thinks" the money came from Nike. AS we know LA was already a million by then and if this was after the first tour win had already made plenty off the back of that as well.

    Wonder how long Livestrong \ LAF will go on for ? Yes LA is still on the board but with all the companies either dropping or not renewing contracts it looks bad. If the celebration thing is a wash out that could be the end for the charity
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    dennisn wrote:
    Bullsh*t. You claim to know about bike racing and you're not even involved at its lowest levels. Are you kidding me?? All this cr*p you've been laying on me and you haven't even participated or helped out at a local level. Pitiful. Yet you tell me you know all about pro cycling. That's like claiming you know football(in it's many forms) yet have never played the game. Any of you out there ever won or placed highly in a local crit? Well, shame on me for believing that I was talking with anyone who had ever been involved with actual cycling other than reading about it and maybe riding a mile or two. Pathetic, to say the least. :roll:

    Dennisn you were wrong about Lance in the past, and you are wrong about this now. (And yes, I'm involved with cycling at the grass-roots level - volunteering, blah, blah, blah.) For your thousands of posts on LA you have added diddly-squat to the discussion, apart from a lot of unintentional humour along the way. Keep up the good work.

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    dennisn wrote:
    Bullsh*t. You claim to know about bike racing and you're not even involved at its lowest levels. Are you kidding me?? All this cr*p you've been laying on me and you haven't even participated or helped out at a local level. Pitiful. Yet you tell me you know all about pro cycling. That's like claiming you know football(in it's many forms) yet have never played the game. Any of you out there ever won or placed highly in a local crit? Well, shame on me for believing that I was talking with anyone who had ever been involved with actual cycling other than reading about it and maybe riding a mile or two. Pathetic, to say the least. :roll:
    What a jumped up little man you are Dennis. And now we know what this has been about all along, your superiority complex, you think your better than the rest of us. The problem for you is, nobody cares. Carry on.
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    Nick Fitt wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Hein says there is no evidence Lance tested positive.

    Jaysus

    This implied cover with Nike and Hein is going to explode if its in the slightest bit true. I reckon this scandal will run for years and people are going to go to jail.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1373 ... -drug-test

    Now that would make this story even more interesting.... nothing would surprise me anymore
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Bullsh*t. You claim to know about bike racing and you're not even involved at its lowest levels. Are you kidding me?? All this cr*p you've been laying on me and you haven't even participated or helped out at a local level. Pitiful. Yet you tell me you know all about pro cycling. That's like claiming you know football(in it's many forms) yet have never played the game. Any of you out there ever won or placed highly in a local crit? Well, shame on me for believing that I was talking with anyone who had ever been involved with actual cycling other than reading about it and maybe riding a mile or two. Pathetic, to say the least. :roll:
    What a jumped up little man you are Dennis. And now we know what this has been about all along, your superiority complex, you think your better than the rest of us. The problem for you is, nobody cares. Carry on.


    Oh give us a break, Dennis. Just because you've been cycling since Noah built the ark doesnt qualify you for moral superiority over anything. I might have only been posting here this year but its clear to me that your motive for posting in this pro cycling forum, is not to contribute from the perspective of a real interest in pro cycling but to troll and to indulge your extremely misplaced sense of self-importance. Do you even watch any ProTour races? Do Paris-Roubaix or Flanders, the Giro or Lombardia, actually MEAN anything to you?

    I'm sure there's a forum for short-legged retirees from Ohio with a massive ego, just for you. But it aint here.
  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    iainf72 wrote:
    Hein says there is no evidence Lance tested positive.

    Jaysus
    Leaving Dennis aside for the moment...

    There are still lots of 'believers' leaving comments on news articles coming-out with the 'never-failed-a-test' line and saying there is 'no evidence', Ferrari says it's just 'uncorroborated visual statements' and Hein says there's no evidence.

    Exactly what evidence would people want, what would it be possible to produce ?

    USADA have produced a sheaf of 20-odd witness statements, 11 former teammates, witnesses credible because of who they are and what they would have been party to, all cross-collaborating oneanother, plus the emails and the bank statements.

    Short of a TV crew having burst into a hotel room to broadcast live footage of Michele and Johan putting the transfusion drip into Lance, what other 'proof' could there be ?
  • fidgetyphil
    fidgetyphil Posts: 80
    it would be interesting to know how much, if any, dirt Lance has on Nike. Whether Nike knew all along what the score was with Lance was and whether Lance could prove it just in case he decided to go for the scorched earth approach.
  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    fidgetyphil wrote:
    it would be interesting to know how much, if any, dirt Lance has on Nike. Whether Nike knew all along what the score was with Lance was and whether Lance could prove it just in case he decided to go for the scorched earth approach.

    Seeing as he's not even admitted to doping yet I don't really think he can go around accusing people of knowing he was cheating and facilitating it :roll:
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    andy_wrx wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Hein says there is no evidence Lance tested positive.

    Jaysus
    Leaving Dennis aside for the moment...

    There are still lots of 'believers' leaving comments on news articles coming-out with the 'never-failed-a-test' line and saying there is 'no evidence', Ferrari says it's just 'uncorroborated visual statements' and Hein says there's no evidence.

    Exactly what evidence would people want, what would it be possible to produce ?

    USADA have produced a sheaf of 20-odd witness statements, 11 former teammates, witnesses credible because of who they are and what they would have been party to, all cross-collaborating oneanother, plus the emails and the bank statements.

    Short of a TV crew having burst into a hotel room to broadcast live footage of Michele and Johan putting the transfusion drip into Lance, what other 'proof' could there be ?


    Different arguments. All the above you mention show that he doped. Hein is stating the he never tested positive. If he tested positive and Hein took a bribe to make it go away, then Hein is screwed.

    All we have to go on the positive test is Landis' statement. And he is the most unreliable of all 20 odd witnesses due to his previous falsehoods and difficult relationship with Armstrong.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,699
    Hein denies sending SMS about Armstrong testing positive. Telegraaf publish Hein's SMS:-
    Hein Verbruggen: Wie is dit? Hein

    Hans Ruggenberg: Hoi Hein. Hans Ruggenberg van de Telegraaf. Belde je met het oog op de laatste ontwikkelingen.

    Hein Verbruggen: Hallo Hans, gegeven de gekte en nonsens heb ik besloten om geen interviews of verklaringen te geven voordat eea wat rustiger is. Wil je echter een off the record info dann kun je bellen. Ik zit in China. H

    Hans Ruggenberg: Oké Hein begrijpelijk. Wilde inderdaad een reactie voor de krant. Off the record info is lastig in deze zaak, zoals je begrijpt. Laat maar weten als je een verklaring wilt geven...succes. Hans

    Hein Verbruggen: Enige wat ik kan zeggen is dat er heel, heel veel verhalen en verdachtmakingen zijn, maar geen spoor van BEWIJS. Is er ook niet. LA werd nooit positief bevonden; ook niet door USADA. En wie de kontroleprocedures kent weet ook dat er niks te regelen valt, enz enz. Maar ik ben het "moe"stadium al beetje voorbij. Mooie nacht! Hein

    Hans Ruggenberg: Jammer dat de krant voor morgen al weg is. Zal het voor de dag erna meenemen. Nogmaals succes met alles en dank voor je reactie. Groeten Hans

    Hein Verbruggen: Mooi. H

    Oh deary me Hein.....
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    ddraver, do you speak Verbruggenish? :)

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