Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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The celebrations... It'd be nice to hear of just one or two of the A listers on the C list back out in light of all the recent news.0
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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-1016-holland-livestrong-20121016,0,3707956.column?page=2
One opinion...If Armstrong really cares about his charity, he should step down as the public face of Livestrong. Although his supporters are in full throat now, the doping scandal eventually will inflict damage, CharityWatch President Daniel Borochoff said.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/soccer--kc-soccer-stadium-needs-to-drop-livestrong-name-after-lance-armstrong-scandal-.html
"KC soccer stadium needs to drop Livestrong name after Lance Armstrong scandal"On Tuesday night, the U.S. men's soccer team will play a game that carries seismic repercussions for the sport's immediate future in this country. And it will do so at Kansas City's Livestrong Sporting Park, a stadium tainted by an association with cheating that could not be more obvious.Sporting Kansas City needs to get rid of the Livestrong name, and don't think for a moment that by doing so it would be turning its back on cancer in any way. One of the greatest myths put forward by the salivating posse of Armstrong apologists, who love nothing more than a chance to get heated and are swift with their insults and accusations, is that the yellow wristband is the only legitimate symbol for supporting the battle.I hate that many still see the chief standard bearer of the fight again the disease as Armstrong, despite the work of tireless doctors and nurses, of overworked scientists, of astonishingly courageous parents and of children with dignity and heart that belies their tiny frames.But here lies the rub. There is only one way to separate Livestrong from Armstrong, and only one man who can do it. For as long as Armstrong remains the figurehead – he is due to appear as primary special guest at the foundation's 15th anniversary celebration in Austin on Friday, according to the Livestrong website – the two will be ever linked.
"My advice to Lance Armstrong would be for him to step away from being the public face of the charity because of the credibility and trust problem," Daniel Borochoff, president of Charity Watch, told British television channel Sky Sports News last week. "He is on the board of directors, he is one of 16 board members. It probably would be better if he stepped down."0 -
While LA is still the face of LiveStrong, does anyone know why the charity changed its name from The Lance Armstrong Foundation to LiveStrong.0
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The_Special_One wrote:While LA is still the face of LiveStrong, does anyone know why the charity changed its name from The Lance Armstrong Foundation to LiveStrong.
I think ultimately it's still the LAF on some of the legal stuff I just though LiveStrong was the message that went on the bands and so LiveStrong ended up becoming a brand name.
As stated before all it seems to do is cancer awareness, so for all the millions it raises, the money would be of better use going to cancer research.0 -
dennisn wrote:Nick Fitt wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
Rick this just makes us look so naieve. OK, it could be a guy in a suit off out for a picnic, to me its blatant. You know what? In F1, cars go into parc ferme during race weekend at certain times to ensure no unfair gains. How hard would it be to have riders stay in 'clean' hotels? Visits are monitored, food controls etc. Lets be honest, during the tour it would not be hard to achieve this
Are you going to pick up the TAB for all this?
Course not, it is totally hypothetical but is achievable and its nowt to do with the UCI. Unless I am wrong, the race is run by the ASO. The ASO could contract a lot of the tour to private companies with no vested interest. E.G. hotels, haulage etc. and maintain similar levels of control as the circuits do at F1 under Bernies rules! The cost would be minimal to the race as the sponsorship value is massive.
I know it will never happen, cycling would much rather do nothing, wait for quiet and then hope the next big doping scandal is years away.
The strength of Sepp Blatter is that he only ever allows (FIFA) football to be portrayed in a positive light. I have worked in football and it stinks - yet every scandal is cleaned and dealt with at speed. Please don't ever think that sports will be clean, they will never ever be clean. The UCI are mainly guilty of failing to keep its dirty laundry out of sight. That sounds shit as it implies many things but its a fact, cycling as a pro sport is a media gimp to be whipped and fucked at leisure. By taking some visible signs of control in the future, they are at least doing something, exactly what are the UCI/ASO doing at the moment while Rome burns?0 -
Interesting views from our MTB brothers - viewtopic.php?f=10002&t=12883736
Warning - kind of backs up what dennis thinks...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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sherer wrote:The_Special_One wrote:While LA is still the face of LiveStrong, does anyone know why the charity changed its name from The Lance Armstrong Foundation to LiveStrong.
I think ultimately it's still the LAF on some of the legal stuff I just though LiveStrong was the message that went on the bands and so LiveStrong ended up becoming a brand name.
As stated before all it seems to do is cancer awareness, so for all the millions it raises, the money would be of better use going to cancer research.
Thanks. Had a quick peek at the website and found that livestrong is just a trademark and and ultimately it's still the LAF. So is sounds like you're right in that livestrong has now just become the brand name of the charity.0 -
Anyone tempted to try EPO etc?
Seems so simple, yet very effective. Might even break the hour mark round richmond park :shock:
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TheStone wrote:Anyone tempted to try EPO etc?
Seems so simple, yet very effective. Might even break the hour mark round richmond park :shock:
no but after reading that lance / cadel article Im going to have a go at the fixed cadence 5 minute power incresae test they mentioned tihs weekend on my turbo...dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
TheStone wrote:Anyone tempted to try EPO etc?
Seems so simple, yet very effective. Might even break the hour mark round richmond park :shock:
I understand that if you know who to ask, the cafe at Petersham Lodge offers it with the cream tea special0 -
the sad thing is now this is all out in the public I expect some will buy EPO, testosterone patches etc and see if this works for them.
One point on Livestrong, there are two sites, a commercial .com site and a charity .org site. It seems most people get directed to the .com site, i'm not even sure if all the charity stuff tht carries the name specifies .org as the web address0 -
actually thinking about it I prob have been given EPO, when I had chemotherapy (around 97/98) - I didn't take the steroids they offered me but they regularly came and put injections in the saline tubes on a regular basis, although I did ride my bike between hospital visits the chemo made me put on so much weight I wouldnt have noticed any difference.
I was also given a chortisone based cream for eczma during last winter as I was literally getting bleeding sores - now that did make a difference, and I could tell as I was doing high intensity turbo work at the time (2 hours at race pace) , normally after an hour you get the usual sensation when youve been riding hard, like a pain in the muscles, well during the few weeks I was using the cream there just wasnt the muscle pain, even when riding 200 miles in the previous week on sunday on my 'race up ventoux' programme there just wasnt any fatigue in my legs at all...
Can I now say I doped my way up ventoux.. :? :oops:dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
bigdawg wrote:actually thinking about it I prob have been given EPO, when I had chemotherapy (around 97/98) - I didn't take the steroids they offered me but they regularly came and put injections in the saline tubes on a regular basis, although I did ride my bike between hospital visits the chemo made me put on so much weight I wouldnt have noticed any difference.
I was also given a chortisone based cream for eczma during last winter as I was literally getting bleeding sores - now that did make a difference, and I could tell as I was doing high intensity turbo work at the time (2 hours at race pace) , normally after an hour you get the usual sensation when youve been riding hard, like a pain in the muscles, well during the few weeks I was using the cream there just wasnt the muscle pain, even when riding 200 miles in the previous week on sunday on my 'race up ventoux' programme there just wasnt any fatigue in my legs at all...
Can I now say I doped my way up ventoux.. :? :oops:
The forum has its own confessed ex-doper!
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Richmond Racer wrote:TheStone wrote:Anyone tempted to try EPO etc?
Seems so simple, yet very effective. Might even break the hour mark round richmond park :shock:
I understand that if you know who to ask, the cafe at Petersham Lodge offers it with the cream tea special
Maybe the caravan at the Amgen Tour of California will be throwing out samples.0 -
This is the Outside magazine article on what it feels like to try EPO, HGH, testosterone, etc
http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/Dr ... l?page=all0 -
andy_wrx wrote:This is the Outside magazine article on what it feels like to try EPO, HGH, testosterone, etc
http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/Dr ... l?page=all
I remember reading that article a in a newspaper magazine when it was first written, a very interesting piece.0 -
As a Roadie & a MTBer do I have to have a particular view? As one of the comments said - Yes he was guilty & he doped' and Yes it was a Witch Hunt - the two aren't mutually exclusive.
It would have been so much better if he was clean, but then he would have got his asses hipped more often!
But from what I feel of some of the contributors here is that he introduced drugs into cycling and was a pioneer. In the affidavits I have read, a lot of the witnesses admitted to doping before and afterwards. But hey ho - they were just the innocents caught up in the mess. USADA went after the big names and let the others get off almost scott free.
Perhaps it is an American thing - but I seem to recall a George Bush going after Saddam Hussein and once caught they ended up declaring they had won the war on terror. The world is now such a safer place eh and what's the difference.0 -
VerwoodAsh wrote:But from what I feel of some of the contributors here is that he introduced drugs into cycling and was a pioneer. In the affidavits I have read, a lot of the witnesses admitted to doping before and afterwards. But hey ho - they were just the innocents caught up in the mess. USADA went after the big names and let the others get off almost scott free.
I think it was more that he helped turn what was previously an ad hoc system of doping into an organised, team-wide systematic regime. The conspiracy aspect of it was what the USADA went after rather than just trying to prove Armstrong was just a high profile and successful doper. He appears to have been the person with the power to boot people off the team if they had the strength to refuse to enter the programme. I agree that those who had already crossed the line are in a weak position but there are plenty of others who saw friends losing their job and so went along with it.0 -
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You know I'm curious about his motivations. Who thinks it was mainly money orientated (this ridiculous bonus scheme from Tailwind certainly didn't help), or is it mainly because of his personality and ego?Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:this ridiculous bonus scheme from Tailwind certainly didn't help
Here, don't be draggin' me into it.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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No wonder they're still supporting him.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:You know I'm curious about his motivations. Who thinks it was mainly money orientated (this ridiculous bonus scheme from Tailwind certainly didn't help), or is it mainly because of his personality and ego?
Usually starts off as one and then becomes the other.
Winning the TdF for the first time is a big achievement. Means you're the best GT rider in the world. 2nd and that's confirmed. Beyond that, it's just repeat success, so the numbers become more important.
There's a reason why CEOs of massive firms still give a toss about earning an extra £3m, when they already earn £6m. It won't change their life one bit, but earning £9m instead of £6m means you're 'doing better'.
Also, when you walk the tightrope a bit as Lance did, the money increasingly becomes a cushion for if things go wrong.0 -
“The assertion by Bileka that Luis Leon Sanchez trained in St. Moritz in 2007 is right,” Rabobank said, according to De Telegraaf. “His former team Caisse d'Epargne trained in 2007 with Ferrari. Sanchez declared that he received no doping or doping advice."
VS investigating Bole.Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:
"We have absolutely no idea what Mrs. LeMond, a long-time Lance-hater, was talking about when she gave her deposition,” the NY Daily Post quote Fabiani as saying
'Long-time Lance-hater'. Every single time, Fabiani, every single time. I call LINE in the Armstrong BS Buzzword Bingo game0 -
Well it's both because money is a form of status and he seems very status-driven, hence the competitive/bullying streak to attaining and defending it. As the Irish soigneur said in the interview, his achilles heel is his extreme 'alpha' personality, that causes him to see himself as the figurehead of the sport and to take any criticism of it as a personal challenge that has to be defended.frenchfighter wrote:You know I'm curious about his motivations. Who thinks it was mainly money orientated (this ridiculous bonus scheme from Tailwind certainly didn't help), or is it mainly because of his personality and ego?
People like that can be both charming and vindictive, generous and deceitful, depending on how they want to manipulate a situation and this seems to be reflected in various witnesses opinions of him.0 -
VerwoodAsh wrote:USADA went after the big names and let the others get off almost scott free.
Those that climb the highest have the furthest to fall. No surprise there at all.Perhaps it is an American thing - but I seem to recall a George Bush going after Saddam Hussein and once caught they ended up declaring they had won the war on terror. The world is now such a safer place eh and what's the difference.
George Bush is a f*cking clown shoes who stole the Presidency. He can barely string a sentence together. I really wouldn't use him to illustrate a point.
The World is a safer place? You must be wearing different glasses to me. Invading Iraq was retarded. And yes, I was there.0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:
George Bush is a f*cking clown shoes who stole the Presidency. He can barely string a sentence together.
Just how does someone who can't put a sentence together steal the Presidency???
You sound a little bitter? Why is that????0 -
dennisn wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:
George Bush is a f*cking clown shoes who stole the Presidency. He can barely string a sentence together.
Just how does someone who can't put a sentence together steal the Presidency???
You sound a little bitter? Why is that????
I don't get the clown shoes bit.0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:I don't get the clown shoes bit.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... clownshoes0
