Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

prawny

I'm really pleased with Brian's response, I like him but the Lance connection was a little doubt I had, some strong words there. Fair play.

Also, chinny, flipping heck! Or is he still trying to wrestle himself out of that contract

heavymental

Lol, some of the stories at the bottom of the Wiggo story on the Mail website are ridiculous. Like a parody. Bruno being introduced to the Yorkshire Ripper by Jimmy Saville!!? :shock:

LeicesterLad

Heavymental wrote:

Lol, some of the stories at the bottom of the Wiggo story on the Mail website are ridiculous. Like a parody. Bruno being introduced to the Yorkshire Ripper by Jimmy Saville!!? :shock:

That story is years old!

nathancom

A bit of light relief

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/armstrong-now-taking-mushrooms-2012101144612

ocdupalais

Heavymental wrote:

Lol, some of the stories at the bottom of the Wiggo story on the Mail website are ridiculous. Like a parody. Bruno being introduced to the Yorkshire Ripper by Jimmy Saville!!? :shock:

The paranoid schizophrenic gets introduced to the serial killer by the pedophile... The Mail really are pedlars of the most corrosive filth.

LangerDan

OCDuPalais wrote:

Heavymental wrote:

Lol, some of the stories at the bottom of the Wiggo story on the Mail website are ridiculous. Like a parody. Bruno being introduced to the Yorkshire Ripper by Jimmy Saville!!? :shock:

The paranoid schizophrenic gets introduced to the serial killer by the pedophile... The Mail really are pedlars of the most corrosive filth.

Poor old "Panto" Frank. "HE'S BEHIND YOU!"

Nick Fitt

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... ation.html is interesting. Apologies if its been posted before, the interesting point is whether the Federal Investigation will be re-opened to look into any possibility that USPS funds provided to the team were used for drug trafficking. That would wipe the smile off the arrogant bastards face.

frenchfighter

I believed I had a responsibility to be a good person, and that meant fair, honest, hardworking and honorable. If I did that, if I was good to my family, true to my friends, if I gave back to my community or to some cause, if I wasn’t a liar, a cheat, or a thief, then I believed that should be enough. At the end of the day, if there was indeed some Body or presence standing there to judge me, I hoped I would be judged on whether I had lived a true life

- It's not about the Bike

...

This guy is completely devoid of shame and dignity.

frenchfighter

Here you go...



I feel very sorry for those young riders who were intimidated into taking the drugs. Sure it was their choice, but damn those who forced them.

I will not be happy until Lance and co are stripped of as much of their money as possible for one. And will be happy for them to go to prison.

frenchfighter

Pez are putting some good ones:

Pross

Snorebens wrote:

Wiggins also raced the Giro with Armstrong in 2009 - LA DNF

I think today the Brits come out of this pretty poorly - Wiggins odd comment, Dowsett 'legend', Cummings focus on the charity, Yates 'I know nuffink guvnor', Hammond seeing and hearing nothing and why isn't everyone else banned for life, Brailsford 'shocked, so shocked' when the writing's been on the wall for how long?, Team Sky - Leinders, Barry and possibly Possini... and Julich?

I think it shows where cycling sits in the mainstream media here and the lack of testing questions... I do hope that pro cycling doesn't equally sit in in the past here in other ways.

Has anyone looked at the reaction outside the UK? Maybe Italian riders have reacted similarly in the Italian media for example? We know Sanchez did. Even worse, maybe the media in other countries don't think it's an issue.

Richmond Racer

Pross wrote:

Snorebens wrote:

Wiggins also raced the Giro with Armstrong in 2009 - LA DNF

I think today the Brits come out of this pretty poorly - Wiggins odd comment, Dowsett 'legend', Cummings focus on the charity, Yates 'I know nuffink guvnor', Hammond seeing and hearing nothing and why isn't everyone else banned for life, Brailsford 'shocked, so shocked' when the writing's been on the wall for how long?, Team Sky - Leinders, Barry and possibly Possini... and Julich?

I think it shows where cycling sits in the mainstream media here and the lack of testing questions... I do hope that pro cycling doesn't equally sit in in the past here in other ways.

Has anyone looked at the reaction outside the UK? Maybe Italian riders have reacted similarly in the Italian media for example? We know Sanchez did. Even worse, maybe the media in other countries don't think it's an issue.

I'm interested in knowing this too, as I posted yesterday. Tell you what, I bet its getting no attention in either the homes of Astana or the Global Russian Cycling Project :roll:

I did read that Rabobank are coming under pressure but are saying as little as possible

Wonder how the Matt White thing is playing out in Oz? Or Cuddles linked to Ferrari? Or Mick Rogers?

iainf72

Richmond Racer wrote:

Wonder how the Matt White thing is playing out in Oz? Or Cuddles linked to Ferrari? Or Mike Rogers?

Cuddles isn't linked to Ferrari.

The Mick Rogers thing is well known. Although in 2005 he said Ferrari was best coach in the world. This year he's saying he wasn't worth much.

Richmond Racer

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Rudy Pevenage ; I am shocked at the UASDA report :roll:

And calling for Ullrich to be awarded wins as a result of Armstrong being stripped. Claims that Ullrich stopped doping after Festina, and only started up again in 01 due to USPS and Armstrong monstering everyone on the juice.

I swear to God, what goes into some peoples mental make-up?

Richmond Racer

iainf72 wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Wonder how the Matt White thing is playing out in Oz? Or Cuddles linked to Ferrari? Or Mike Rogers?

Cuddles isn't linked to Ferrari.

The Mick Rogers thing is well known. Although in 2005 he said Ferrari was best coach in the world. This year he's saying he wasn't worth much.

Re Cuddles...hmmm, goes and looks again...apologies to Cuddles if I've defamed him. I've just read up on Mick Rogers comments to Sydney Morning Herald today - didnt realise.

Richmond Racer

The God of Thunder has spoken...

Hushovd: 'It's shocking and sad. I wont support Armstrong any more.'

oneof1982

From l'Equipe
"Cancellara: "An old story""It's sad for cycling, but it is a very old history and old stories do not bother me (...) With the new generation of riders, there is hope," responded Fabian Cancellara, on Romandie.com, about the latest developments in the Armstrong case ."

Someone above was asking how it was being reported abroad. Spain and France papers below for example. Google translate will give you a readable translation. "As" has an Englsih version online. Pretty much same as here. Football on the front/back page but plenty of Lance outrage inside.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-rout ... ire/319188

http://www.as.com/ciclismo/

MrTapir

Richmond Racer wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Wonder how the Matt White thing is playing out in Oz? Or Cuddles linked to Ferrari? Or Mike Rogers?

Cuddles isn't linked to Ferrari.

The Mick Rogers thing is well known. Although in 2005 he said Ferrari was best coach in the world. This year he's saying he wasn't worth much.

Re Cuddles...hmmm, goes and looks again...apologies to Cuddles if I've defamed him

Cuddles was a client of the Late Aldo Sassi, who was staunchly anti-doping. I dont know how far that goes back though.

Richmond Racer

Reuters cornered McQuaid...but dont get your hopes up for any words of wisdom...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49386565

Tom Butcher

A few years back at least one person on here linked Cuddles to Ferrari - I can't remember the details or how strong a link it was so I'm not saying it's anything suspicious - anyone remember the details ?

Tom Butcher

Might be posted elsewhere but I see Brian Smith has come out and said he thinks his refusal to dope cost him his contract with USPostal. (or was it Motorola - whoever they rode for then anyway )

evil_breakfast

If anyone out there is interested , R5L have scheduled a prog on Monday night.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01ngqxd

Although it'll probably be a messy regurgitation of the last 48 hours.

le_patron

Heavymental wrote:

You do have to wonder where Lance goes from here. The headlines are big enough and the tone is sure enough to mean that public opinion is definitely changed now, even in the states. He is surely at a point now where he is going to get abuse when he steps out of his front door etc

Public opinion has changed, but not sure it quite works like that (sadly). A crude generalisation sure, but many US sports are owned, governed and marketed by companies that don't tackle doping seriously and the viewers have become used to the 'stars' likely being on drugs, esp American football and Baseball. It's about being competetive.
In fact taking drugs (pills) generally is more acceptable anyway. Do what you like to your body with your money. Who is to tell you otherwise ?

Add in to that mix the view that the dodgy euros were all up to this anyway, Lance just beat them at their own game and also did a lot more for charity than any of his accusers and you still have a marketable hero. He's still a winner in a warped way.

Trek and Nike seem to think so anyway.

It will probbaly take a criminal record to change this.

oneof1982

McQuaid:

".......our lawyers are studying that at the moment ................it will be wrong of me to second guess or preempt what our lawyers might decide, so the UCI will wait until that work has been done and then the UCI will make a statement."

Speaks volumes about the bankrupt leadership of UCI. I always thought that the lawyers advised the client, and the client, particularly when the client is in a leadership role, decided what to do.

So we can expect a "legal" rather than a moral response.

iainf72

oneof1982 wrote:

McQuaid:

".......our lawyers are studying that at the moment ................it will be wrong of me to second guess or preempt what our lawyers might decide, so the UCI will wait until that work has been done and then the UCI will make a statement."

Speaks volumes about the bankrupt leadership of UCI. I always thought that the lawyers advised the client, and the client, particularly when the client is in a leadership role, decided what to do.

So we can expect a "legal" rather than a moral response.

I thought his response was right on the money and couldn't be faulted.

Of course the lawyers are going to look at it and make sure it's sound legally. That's what they're there for.

deejay

oneof1982 wrote:

McQuaid:

So we can expect a "legal" rather than a moral response.

Has he got any morals left in him ??
If so, then he should have applied them much earlier this Century.

Jez mon

The client can try and point the laywers in the direction that the client wants, or they can ignore legal advice. That would be evidence of bankrupt, or at least stupid, leadership.

k-dog

Jez mon wrote:

That would be evidence of at least stupid leadership.

So what's your point? This is the UCI we're talking about.

frenchfighter

Anyone seen anything about the Schlecks?

I haven't which is great. And they rode for CSC which didn't have an organised doping program.

tarzan13

Lance Armstrong revelations prompt David Millar to call for UCI honorary president Hein Verbruggen to resign
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9604549/Lance-Armstrong-revelations-prompt-David-Millar-to-call-for-UCI-honorary-president-Hein-Verbruggen-to-resign.html