Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    fair point - but there will be people who cant be bothered to read Hamiton's book, or the associated interviews with him - not that they're pro-Lance, just that they cant be bothered. So depends how the media they do read, position it, I guess.
  • bigdawg
    bigdawg Posts: 672
    Im really not sure where the UCI are getting their info from (prob LA's infamous spin machine) but it's not making them look particularly clever (again!) - the case files were all in trial format, ie boxes and boxes of transcripts, evidence, witness statements etc..., the USADA have made perfectly clear all that they are doing is transferring this into effectively an easily readable format to send to the UCI, nothing more - they are not still collecting evidence, they may be collating evidence but def not collecting it, they have also given the UCI the dates by which they will receive the file, as the UCI are fully aware of this Im not sure what they hope to gain by this other than trying to smear the USADA, which is really an odd thing to do when they keep saying they are working to get rid of drugs in their sport - they really are looking more and more incompetent
    dont knock on death\'s door.....

    Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    bigdawg wrote:
    Im really not sure where the UCI are getting their info from (prob LA's infamous spin machine) but it's not making them look particularly clever (again!) - the case files were all in trial format, ie boxes and boxes of transcripts, evidence, witness statements etc..., the USADA have made perfectly clear all that they are doing is transferring this into effectively an easily readable format to send to the UCI, nothing more - they are not still collecting evidence, they may be collating evidence but def not collecting it, they have also given the UCI the dates by which they will receive the file, as the UCI are fully aware of this Im not sure what they hope to gain by this other than trying to smear the USADA, which is really an odd thing to do when they keep saying they are working to get rid of drugs in their sport - they really are looking more and more incompetent

    plus we need to remember the golden rule. Never believe a word Fat Pat says
  • bigdawg
    bigdawg Posts: 672
    the questions that should be asked is not why is USADA slow on transferring a room full of boxes into a single file but why on earth are the UCI attacking and trying to undermine an organisation that are doing their utmost to try and stop drugs being used in cycling (as well as other sports) - but it doesnt seem to be the first time he's tried to undermine people trying to support clean racing:

    before and during the 2007 UCI Road World Championships in Stuttgart, McQuaid had a feud with Stuttgart's minister of sports, Susanne Eisenmann. She wanted to ban Paolo Bettini because he refused the UCI anti-doping pledge, a plan which backfired. The German broadsheet Süddeutsche Zeitung accused McQuaid of flip-flopping on doping, on one hand maintaining that "there is no doping case of Michael Rasmussen" and defending Bettini, on the other stating he wanted to fine Patrik Sinkewitz and Alexandre Vinokourov. Spiegel magazine doubted McQuaid's commitment against doping.
    dont knock on death\'s door.....

    Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....
  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    Whose the MAD ONE ?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,601
    dsoutar wrote:
    This could be intriguing if it happens

    http://www.atwistedspoke.com/usadas-tyg ... utte-race/

    Be amusing if Tygart got tested at the event and failed :lol:
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    Pross wrote:
    dsoutar wrote:
    This could be intriguing if it happens

    http://www.atwistedspoke.com/usadas-tyg ... utte-race/

    Be amusing if Tygart got tested at the event and failed :lol:

    He should be safe, it's an unsanctioned event. :?
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    This been done yet?

    (courtesy of cyclingnews forum)

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    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    A bit surprised that info like this is leaking ahead of the formal report (assuming it is true)

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report- ... ing-scheme
    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12961 ... avits.aspx
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,666
    if the DoJ are acting as witness to the witness, this looks very bad to LA et co.
  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    MAD...........ONE

    You can see why they named now.............
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    tarzan13 wrote:
    A bit surprised that info like this is leaking ahead of the formal report (assuming it is true)

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report- ... ing-scheme
    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12961 ... avits.aspx

    Wonder who the source is?

    USA team for the 1998 senior men's road race:

    121 Lance Armstrong (USA) 18-09-1971
    122 Dylan Casey (USA) 13-04-1970
    123 David Clinger (USA) 22-11-1977
    124 Christopher Horner (USA) 23-10-1971
    125 Trent Klasna (USA) 09-12-1969
    126 William Chann McCrae (USA) 11-10-1971
    127 Christian Vandevelde (USA) 22-05-1976
    128 Jonathan Vaughters (USA) 10-06-1973

    Who did David Walsh recently meet up with according to his Twitter?

    Anyone up for some simple arithmetic?
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    I believe Walsh and Vaughers enjoyed a fine reunion chez-Vaughters
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    tarzan13 wrote:
    A bit surprised that info like this is leaking ahead of the formal report (assuming it is true)

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report- ... ing-scheme
    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12961 ... avits.aspx
    The sentence in the Cycling News link, "There are also reports that the Armstrongs used to call EPO "butter", as they kept it in the butter compartment of their refrigerator" reminds me that Erik Zabel once said 'A racing cyclist's blood isn't buttermilk', although I don't know in what context he said that.
    Anyone know?
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    Would be great if there was hard factual evedence of an UCI cover up so that the whole bunch can pack their bags ....

    In addition, the "reasoned decision" is believed to contain affidavits from two riders, in which they claim Armstrong told them of a positive doping test at the 2001 Tour de Suisse, which he had "swept under the carpet," with another rider allegedly swearing that Armstrong "told him he could use his influence with UCI to circumvent cycling’s anti-doping laws."
  • Crozza
    Crozza Posts: 991
    the man clearly has no shame :lol:
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Crozza wrote:
    the man clearly has no shame :lol:


    Most open and transparent the man's ever been in his life
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,601
    Crozza wrote:
    the man clearly has no shame :lol:

    That's got to be worth a lifetime ban from all sports surely?
  • Crozza
    Crozza Posts: 991
    Pross wrote:
    Crozza wrote:
    the man clearly has no shame :lol:

    That's got to be worth a lifetime ban from all sports surely?

    if you liked that one...
  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    the man truly is a god ...
  • skylla
    skylla Posts: 758
    Crozza wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Crozza wrote:
    the man clearly has no shame :lol:

    That's got to be worth a lifetime ban from all sports surely?

    if you liked that one...

    The San Diego Superfrog half-ironman with Navy Seals: 1.2 mile swim/ 56 mile bike/ 13.1 mile run. Blistering hot conditions! His ride time was ok, so his swim. What surprised me was his run time, about 5 min faster than the next man. The overall winner was LA.

    http://superfrogtriathlon.com/34th-superfrog-triathlon/

    Also:
    http://www.10news.com wrote:

    [T]he triathlon dropped its pursuit of being an officially-sanctioned event because of Armstrong's participation. That means other triathletes will not be able to accumulate points.

    Matty Reed, a former Olympic triathlete coming to Coronado, was quoted in the "Wall Street Journal" as saying, "He got a drug ban and I would like to see him honor that and not race."

    When asked if he was worried about a backlash from athletes, Hall responded, "I'm not worried about a backlash."

    http://www.10news.com/news/lance-armstr ... irs-debate
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Armstrong is amazing. I worked on trading floors for years and met some unreasonable, thick skinned people, but he makes them all look like amateurs. He must be in the top 5 dick heads on the planet, surely?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    iainf72 wrote:
    Armstrong is amazing. I worked on trading floors for years and met some unreasonable, thick skinned people, but he makes them all look like amateurs. He must be in the top 5 dick heads on the planet, surely?

    But the top dick head comp he's winning clean. The traders you met that were dickheads were almost certainly coked up, seriously drug-assisted dickheadness.
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  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Armstrong is amazing. I worked on trading floors for years and met some unreasonable, thick skinned people, but he makes them all look like amateurs. He must be in the top 5 dick heads on the planet, surely?

    But the top dick head comp he's winning clean. The traders you met that were dickheads were almost certainly coked up, seriously drug-assisted dickheadness.

    I can't see LA being happy with just a top 5 position in the global dick-head comp... surely he'd snort a whole suitcase of charlie if it meant he could be the undisputed el numero uno?

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,666
    But surely he'd then fail the UDI (union de dickheads internationales) drug tests? But if you fail you pass?
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    Pross wrote:
    Crozza wrote:
    the man clearly has no shame :lol:
    That's got to be worth a lifetime ban from all sports surely?
    Well definitely a disqualification.

    Although I’ve seen photos of ‘topless’ men taking part in triathlons (but only in the USA and during the running bit as they reach the finish), as far as I know going topless isn’t normally allowed during the cycling or running parts of a triathlon. I’m sure there must be a logic, like under-cooling being possible, especially when cycling.

    An acquaintance of mine was dq-ed in a Olympic-distance triathlon, for doing the run topless - it was a circuit of so many laps, and early on he was warned. But he didn’t bother to put on a top when next passing the start/finish area for the following lap - so for him that was that.
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    skylla wrote:
    The San Diego Superfrog half-ironman with Navy Seals: 1.2 mile swim/ 56 mile bike/ 13.1 mile run. Blistering hot conditions! His ride time was ok, so his swim. What surprised me was his run time, about 5 min faster than the next man.
    LA’s running time (almost 1-20) is good but not that special.
    In a typical local but well-esteemed amateur triathlon with 1000 participants, for the running leg (half-marathon in this case) the best would manage, depending on the terrain, about 1-12 and about 15 others would finish quicker than 1-20. So I'd guess LA's field was only about a 100 strong, or if larger, with lots of novices.

    That it must have been a small or low quality field is also reflected by the guy who finished the running with a time of 1-40. He was 31st in the running in this event, but at a local but well-esteemed amateur traithlon he’d probably only be about 250th fastest runner.
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Its the body-paint Livestrong logos that get me.

    BTW - his run time equates to over 6-minute-miling. I guess the good guys aren't going to risk a ban for competing in an unsanctioned event.
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    I feel sorry for the others who are taking part in this event - presumably it's some sort of lower-end local event with part-time amateur athletes, then this big-time ex-pro doper turns up and smashes it : no wonder he set the event record...

    Years ago, I remember a local Cheshire TT that Boardman turned-up to as a warm-up event - he won, unsurprisingly, but refused to accept a prize, said it wasn't really right with him being a pro for Gan, actually hung around in the church hall for the tea and cakes and then handed-out the prizes
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    iainf72 wrote:
    Armstrong is amazing. I worked on trading floors for years and met some unreasonable, thick skinned people, but he makes them all look like amateurs. He must be in the top 5 dick heads on the planet, surely?

    Top 5's a bit strong.

    Top 100 maybe.

    I must confess, I really do admire him, in a kind of self loathing grotesque way, when I see how he manages to strike fear in more or less his entire industry, including the governers and regulators. To the point he can more or less dictate what happens in his sport.

    I mean, to have that force of personality. 'cor.
    _

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