Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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Blazing Saddles wrote:
Mmmm, maybe because Armstrong never qualified his number as guesswork?
As a piece of guesswork, it truly sucks; not even in the ball park.
He has used his crap guesswork for so long as his mantra to counter the doping claims.
He wanted his crap guesswork to be quoted as fact by the press, so that gullible fans would
see his crap guesswork and assume he couldn't possibly have doped as a result.
Now it's all about the truth, not crap guesswork.
But he's just plucking a number out of thin air. If he'd said 300, his message would have been the same. Does anyone think that 300 tests are beatable, but 500 aren't?
Sportsmen aren't exactly reliable when it comes to numbers. They're always giving 110%, 200& 1000%. I roll my eyes every time someone takes a cyclist's word on their average watts or weight loss completely literally.
All sportsmen fling around incorrect numbers. I don't see my this is any more important than any of the other exaggerations.Twitter: @RichN950 -
I think its important, cos anyone who reads any newspaper hears this "500 tests"... Still we have a general public thinking that 500 tests by laymans logic means "he can't have doped", cos people believe tests catch people, weeeell, we don't believe it, but joe bloggs does... I'd like to see a bunch of press that really slams this "never tested positive, and 500 times" because it is complete, utter nonsense... The people I speak to STILL seem to not know that Blood Doping by transfusions we have no test for.
Its no wonder LA and Co push this 500 test thing as it persuades so much of the public (that don't know any better) that he's clean in one sentence.0 -
mfin wrote:I think its important, cos anyone who reads any newspaper hears this "500 tests"... Still we have a general public thinking that 500 tests by laymans logic means "he can't have doped", cos people believe tests catch people, weeeell, we don't believe it, but joe bloggs does... I'd like to see a bunch of press that really slams this "never tested positive, and 500 times" because it is complete, utter nonsense... The people I speak to STILL seem to not know that Blood Doping by transfusions we have no test for.
Its no wonder LA and Co push this 500 test thing as it persuades so much of the public (that don't know any better) that he's clean in one sentence.
Yeah but the quibbling over the actual number detracts from the main point that passing tests doesn't mean he wasn't cheating. And to Joe Public it looks like pedantry and point scoring. After all 215 tests is still a lot isn't it?0 -
DeadCalm wrote:mfin wrote:I think its important, cos anyone who reads any newspaper hears this "500 tests"... Still we have a general public thinking that 500 tests by laymans logic means "he can't have doped", cos people believe tests catch people, weeeell, we don't believe it, but joe bloggs does... I'd like to see a bunch of press that really slams this "never tested positive, and 500 times" because it is complete, utter nonsense... The people I speak to STILL seem to not know that Blood Doping by transfusions we have no test for.
Its no wonder LA and Co push this 500 test thing as it persuades so much of the public (that don't know any better) that he's clean in one sentence.
Yeah but the quibbling over the actual number detracts from the main point that passing tests doesn't mean he wasn't cheating. And to Joe Public it looks like pedantry and point scoring. After all 215 tests is still a lot isn't it?
Is it?
A dozen a year don't sound quite as convincing.
3 in a week, for some, in the month before the Olympics"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
DeadCalm wrote:mfin wrote:I think its important, cos anyone who reads any newspaper hears this "500 tests"... Still we have a general public thinking that 500 tests by laymans logic means "he can't have doped", cos people believe tests catch people, weeeell, we don't believe it, but joe bloggs does... I'd like to see a bunch of press that really slams this "never tested positive, and 500 times" because it is complete, utter nonsense... The people I speak to STILL seem to not know that Blood Doping by transfusions we have no test for.
Its no wonder LA and Co push this 500 test thing as it persuades so much of the public (that don't know any better) that he's clean in one sentence.
Yeah but the quibbling over the actual number detracts from the main point that passing tests doesn't mean he wasn't cheating. And to Joe Public it looks like pedantry and point scoring. After all 215 tests is still a lot isn't it?
215 isnt half the soundbite that "over 500" is though!! (let alone the fact that its apparently either a LIE or a massive exaggeration at very least)0 -
Agreed but the sad reality is that he could have been tested 2000 times and not been found positive when for a long period during his career there was no test for EPO, there still is no test for transfusing one's own blood, there is no testing from 10pm til 7am and the glowtime for the drugs of choice is less than 9 hours.mfin wrote:215 isnt half the soundbite that "over 500" is though!! (let alone the fact that its apparently either a LIE or a massive exaggeration at very least)0 -
Yes...we all know that.
But Average Joe from small town USA (or UK) who mostly sees yellow wristbands, fancily painted bikes, Nike adverts etc doesn't...and over 500 sounds pretty convincing to them.0 -
I think if USADA can demonstrate that retesting of Lance's samples that's been reported is real then that will scare the hell out of riders...as they'll know they are going to face consequences further down the road so to speak...see the post race dope tests is just a preliminary. In my experience, of doing a couple of dope tests as a cyclists in 1991-92, there is only one beaker to give sample into which you then watch tester divide into two and seal, then zip lock. To me now there should be two samples take at once as there is excess urine left in the beaker you fill up before division.0
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To approach it from a different angle. When the AA or other organisation phones you during Eastenders to flog you pointless insurance, they never say it'll cost xxx a year, but that it'll cost you yy per day or z per week.
The average person wouldn't feel that sympathetic towards LA if the true extent of testing was actually ~20 tests a year over his career. Allegedly, there are young black people in London that get stopped and searched more times than that in a year.0 -
le patron wrote:Yes...we all know that.
But Average Joe from small town USA (or UK) who mostly sees yellow wristbands, fancily painted bikes, Nike adverts etc doesn't...and over 500 sounds pretty convincing to them.
+1 ...in America these things add up, people take a little or no information and base their understanding on it sometimes. Here's a scary example, in the weeks before launching against Iraq, there was a survey done to find out what people knew and 70% of Americans believed Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9/11.
Now take "500 tests, no positive" and add in a biiiiig glug of patriotism and cancer... Of those people dim enough to be in that 70% how many would believe LA to be innocent???
THIS is why its so f*******g important the UCI stand by USADA and say its clear doping from LA, or if not, the UCI must be pulled apart. (well, important if you want the greatest cheat to be shown up as that).0 -
In his endeavor to keep having the money pouring in, he shrewdly refuses the arbitration so he can rely on the 70% (and dennison) to be his "Jury" without the need for evidence.mfin wrote:le patron wrote:But Average Joe from small town USA (or UK) who mostly sees yellow wristbands, fancily painted bikes, Nike adverts etc doesn't...and over 500 sounds pretty convincing to them.
+1 ...in America these things add up, people take a little or no information and base their understanding on it sometimes. Here's a scary example, in the weeks before launching against Iraq, there was a survey done to find out what people knew and 70% of Americans believed Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9/11.
Now take "500 tests, no positive" and add in a biiiiig glug of patriotism and cancer... Of those people dim enough to be in that 70% how many would believe LA to be innocent???
THIS is why its so f*******g important the UCI stand by USADA and say its clear doping from LA, or if not, the UCI must be pulled apart. (well, important if you want the greatest cheat to be shown up as that).
He knows he has screwed the "7 time winner theme" for all he could get, so now there is not much value in keeping it and can move on to new pastures.
It is your Federation and mine to vote in a new fat controller and until the Feds of France, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands all get together, then he will remain.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Wonder if he thought about all these implications beyond cycling....
Lance Armstrong can't run in Chicago
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poor sole ... and he probably wasnt going to anyway ...
here's a response from nike that i just received:
Hi Michael,
Thank you for contacting Nike and providing us with your feedback.
We are saddened that Lance Armstrong may no longer be able to participate in certain competitions and his titles appear to be impacted. Lance has stated his innocence and has been unwavering on this position. Nike plans to continue to support Lance and the Lance Armstrong Foundation, a foundation that Lance created to serve cancer survivors.
Have a nice day.
John
NikeStore.com Consumer Service
nuff said x0 -
Mikey23 wrote:Nike plans to continue to support Lance and the Lance Armstrong Foundation, a foundation that Lance created to serve cancer survivors.
Aye, until the full gory details come out, in which case there may well be a rethink.0 -
Lance wants us to phone him
Lance Armstrong @lancearmstrong
Hey - you bet. Happy to help. Call my cell 778 384 7520. Take care, L
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He was racing the other day (Mountain Bike Race)
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Not sure why he's wasting time doing any sports when he could be curing cancer with the power of his words.0
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Mikey23 wrote:poor sole ... and he probably wasnt going to anyway ...
here's a response from nike that i just received:
Hi Michael,
Thank you for contacting Nike and providing us with your feedback.
We are saddened that Lance Armstrong may no longer be able to participate in certain competitions and his titles appear to be impacted. Lance has stated his innocence and has been unwavering on this position. Nike plans to continue to support Lance and the Lance Armstrong Foundation, a foundation that Lance created to serve cancer survivors.
Have a nice day.
John
NikeStore.com Consumer Service
nuff said x
Never liked Nike anyway. If you read LA Confidentiel, its quite possible that Armstrong caused his own cancer by Cortisone abuse. During his 7 tour wins,I always thought he was doping, I just thought he was using some really clever way of doing it. In fact, it seems he just chucking EPO into his arms (Lance - Arm - Strong - jeez we should have guessed straight away) and covering it up with hidey drugs. Racketeering Tosser. Wish it was just left to die though, no good for the sport and no-one will dis-believe him in the USA anyway. Time to move on IMHO0 -
Aye, until the full gory details come out
They have ...............Hamiltons book..............0 -
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I think I'm falling in love with Travis Tygart.0
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dsoutar wrote:
He might be right.A mechanic at Mellow Johnny's
"Tygart better bring some bodyguards"
Pretty lonely in those woods. No-one around. Big drops.
Could take ages to find a body...0 -
RRP £16.99 reduced to £2.99
I wonder what this will be worth soon
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How much racing has Tygart done? I don't think this is a real challenge somehow. It's a desperate attempt by Lance to keep his profile up and a bloke just trying to finish a race like the rest of us...
The Mail seem to like him too - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... ailed.htmlWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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ddraver wrote:How much racing has Tygart done? I don't think this is a real challenge somehow. It's a desperate attempt by Lance to keep his profile up and a bloke just trying to finish a race like the rest of us...
The Mail seem to like him too - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... ailed.html
In other news, the Oxford English Dictionary is removing the word Gullible from the dictionary.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Race Radio has tweeted that USADA are busy putting their evidence into a form the UCI can use. It was ready for an arbitration hearing, not for a federation (in terms of format)
Should hit them in the next 10 days.
[Waits for Rick to come along saying he knows nothing]Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
ddraver wrote:Ah Sugar, have i just had a Frenchie/Cyclismas moment?
Yep
Could be worse, you could have been that paper that ran with the Cyclismas story about the Leaky boys and the sauna...0 -
iainf72 wrote:Race Radio has tweeted that USADA are busy putting their evidence into a form the UCI can use. It was ready for an arbitration hearing, not for a federation (in terms of format)
Should hit them in the next 10 days.
[Waits for Rick to come along saying he knows nothing]
... and now pat has lost the case file on a night out:
http://www.atwistedspoke.com/ucis-mcqua ... irish-pub/
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