Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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The USADA statement mentions sworn testimony from 15 riders, 11 of whom are later named as members of USPS.
Who were the other four?'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
Hincapie's statement is a bit of a killer for Lance.... hope they sue the hell out of Lance...0
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Coach H wrote:DeadCalm wrote:
Plenty said this would not happen but I notice he still has not said anything about USPS et al in this statement.
About two years ago, I was approached by US Federal investigators, and more recently by USADA, and asked to tell of my personal experience in these matters. I would have been much more comfortable talking only about myself, but understood that I was obligated to tell the truth about everything I knew. So that is what I did.dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
Coach H wrote:DeadCalm wrote:
Plenty said this would not happen but I notice he still has not said anything about USPS et al in this statement.
Not sure what you were expecting him to say specifically? He's admitted that he doped till 2006, and he says that he ended up having to talk about others when he talked about his own doping. Not sure what else he's going to say in his personal statement. All of the specifics that form his witness statement are part of the USADA case, not part of his personal statement, surely.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Coach H wrote:DeadCalm wrote:
Plenty said this would not happen but I notice he still has not said anything about USPS et al in this statement.
Not sure what you were expecting him to say specifically? He's admitted that he doped till 2006, and he says that he ended up having to talk about others when he talked about his own doping. Not sure what else he's going to say in his personal statement. All of the specifics that form his witness statement are part of the USADA case, not part of his personal statement, surely.
The personal statements of FLandis and Tyler specifically stated doping at USPS and that the Hog and Armstrong were directly involved. Obviously a damage limitation statement rather than a full and frank laying out of the facts concerning Hincapie personally.Coach H. (Dont ask me for training advice - 'It's not about the bike')0 -
DeadCalm wrote:
Hincapie's going to come out of this best, I reckon. Having retired, he can't undergo a worthwhile sanction, he doesn't have a high-profile palmares to be stripped and he made a sack of cash while riding for LA which is probably secure behind the statue of limitations even if anyone were to take an action.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
http://michaelbarry.ca/
"Recently, I was contacted by United States Anti-Doping Agency to testify in their investigation into the use of performance enhancing drugs on the United States Postal Service Team. I agreed to participate as it allowed me to explain my experiences, which I believe will help improve the sport for today’s youth who aspire to be tomorrow’s champions.
After being encouraged by the team, pressured to perform and pushed to my physical limits I crossed a line I promised myself and others I would not: I doped. It was a decision I deeply regret. It caused me sleepless nights, took the fun out of cycling and racing, and tainted the success I achieved at the time. This was not how I wanted to live or race".0 -
Coach H wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Coach H wrote:DeadCalm wrote:
Plenty said this would not happen but I notice he still has not said anything about USPS et al in this statement.
Not sure what you were expecting him to say specifically? He's admitted that he doped till 2006, and he says that he ended up having to talk about others when he talked about his own doping. Not sure what else he's going to say in his personal statement. All of the specifics that form his witness statement are part of the USADA case, not part of his personal statement, surely.
The personal statements of FLandis and Tyler specifically stated doping at USPS and that the Hog and Armstrong were directly involved. Obviously a damage limitation statement rather than a full and frank laying out of the facts concerning Hincapie personally.
There's going to be enough mud-slinging, recriminations and calls for wearing of sackcloth and ashes to satisfy everyone, I'm sure0 -
DeadCalm wrote:
Not much respect for the guy. Wait until you retire then admit it and only then because it is coming out anyway.
All that dope and he still didn't win a Classic.Contador is the Greatest0 -
ooooh goody. Here it comes.0
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Coach H wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Coach H wrote:DeadCalm wrote:
Plenty said this would not happen but I notice he still has not said anything about USPS et al in this statement.
Not sure what you were expecting him to say specifically? He's admitted that he doped till 2006, and he says that he ended up having to talk about others when he talked about his own doping. Not sure what else he's going to say in his personal statement. All of the specifics that form his witness statement are part of the USADA case, not part of his personal statement, surely.
The personal statements of FLandis and Tyler specifically stated doping at USPS and that the Hog and Armstrong were directly involved. Obviously a damage limitation statement rather than a full and frank laying out of the facts concerning Hincapie personally.
Barry's statement a bit more explicit but still hardy 'truth and reconcilliation'Coach H. (Dont ask me for training advice - 'It's not about the bike')0 -
Inconsequential bans. See them next Paris Nice if they chose to compete.Contador is the Greatest0
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Coach H wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Coach H wrote:DeadCalm wrote:
Plenty said this would not happen but I notice he still has not said anything about USPS et al in this statement.
Not sure what you were expecting him to say specifically? He's admitted that he doped till 2006, and he says that he ended up having to talk about others when he talked about his own doping. Not sure what else he's going to say in his personal statement. All of the specifics that form his witness statement are part of the USADA case, not part of his personal statement, surely.
The personal statements of FLandis and Tyler specifically stated doping at USPS and that the Hog and Armstrong were directly involved. Obviously a damage limitation statement rather than a full and frank laying out of the facts concerning Hincapie personally.
But we still don't know what he has said in his sworn statements. All he is doing here is stating that he has told the investigation what he knew. Flandis and Hamilton were also in very different situations when they made their statements (i.e. they had been caught themselves and were therefore happy to throw mud around the place whereas Hincapie has admitted doping despite not getting caught).0 -
Coach H. (Dont ask me for training advice - 'It's not about the bike')0
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Coach H wrote:Coach H wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Coach H wrote:DeadCalm wrote:
Plenty said this would not happen but I notice he still has not said anything about USPS et al in this statement.
Not sure what you were expecting him to say specifically? He's admitted that he doped till 2006, and he says that he ended up having to talk about others when he talked about his own doping. Not sure what else he's going to say in his personal statement. All of the specifics that form his witness statement are part of the USADA case, not part of his personal statement, surely.
The personal statements of FLandis and Tyler specifically stated doping at USPS and that the Hog and Armstrong were directly involved. Obviously a damage limitation statement rather than a full and frank laying out of the facts concerning Hincapie personally.
Barry's statement a bit more explicit but still hardy 'truth and reconcilliation'
Their admissions to USADA will have been much, much more explicit. That will come out when USADA release the report.0 -
Lol, both Barry and Hincapie sites struggling to load, no doubt with all the people checking themContador is the Greatest0
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Pross wrote:Coach H wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Coach H wrote:DeadCalm wrote:
Plenty said this would not happen but I notice he still has not said anything about USPS et al in this statement.
Not sure what you were expecting him to say specifically? He's admitted that he doped till 2006, and he says that he ended up having to talk about others when he talked about his own doping. Not sure what else he's going to say in his personal statement. All of the specifics that form his witness statement are part of the USADA case, not part of his personal statement, surely.
The personal statements of FLandis and Tyler specifically stated doping at USPS and that the Hog and Armstrong were directly involved. Obviously a damage limitation statement rather than a full and frank laying out of the facts concerning Hincapie personally.
But we still don't know what he has said in his sworn statements. All he is doing here is stating that he has told the investigation what he knew. Flandis and Hamilton were also in very different situations when they made their statements (i.e. they had been caught themselves and were therefore happy to throw mud around the place whereas Hincapie has admitted doping despite not getting caught).
All true, but I still hoped for something more. If it was me (athough I would have done it far earlier, I think) I would have wanted to lay it all out in MY statement rather a basic admission and leave the details to the USDA report. Its about personal integrity and ownership I guess, but I accept it is easy to say these things from the sidelines under an internet pseudonym.Coach H. (Dont ask me for training advice - 'It's not about the bike')0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Inconsequential bans. See them next Paris Nice if they chose to compete.
I don't have a problem with that. Whistle-blower incentives (leniency/immunity/rewards) expose transgressions we'd never otherwise hear about, they disaude potential transgressors, and they help ensure actual transgressors (esp. the big fish) sleep less easy in case someone, one day, grasses them up.0 -
Hincapie states "I have competed clean and have not used any performance enhancing drugs or processes for the past six years. Since 2006, I have been working hard within the sport of cycling to rid it of banned substances..."
Which means that he was racing clean in his last year at Discovery (2007). Given that Tygarts statement claims that USPS/Disco ran a full doping program, there must have been some interesting discussions between George and the team doctors when he told them he didn't want any more drugs!0 -
frenchfighter wrote:DeadCalm wrote:
Not much respect for the guy. Wait until you retire then admit it and only then because it is coming out anyway.
All that dope and he still didn't win a Classic.
How many professional cyclist do you know that have admitted doping whilst still being an active rider and not being caught for doping?0 -
So presumably Barry gets chucked off midway through the Tour of Beijing then? His last ever race before retiring...."Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult"0
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Did he help Contador to avoid the Boss. ?TimB34 wrote:Which means that he was racing clean in his last year at Discovery (2007). Given that Tygarts statement claims that USPS/Disco ran a full doping program, there must have been some interesting discussions between George and the team doctors when he told them he didn't want any more drugs!Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
[conspiracy theory]Hmm I wonder if Holy Dave decided to make Garmin drive the peleton that day that George was looking for the yellow jersey because Holy Dave knew he was a unconfessed doper? [[conspiracy theory]
My thoughts are with Mad Rapper at this time.0 -
Yellow Peril wrote:[conspiracy theory]Hmm I wonder if Holy Dave decided to make Garmin drive the peloton that day that George was looking for the yellow jersey because Holy Dave knew he was a unconfessed doper? [[conspiracy theory]
My thoughts are with Mad Rapper at this time.
Ooooh, now THAT is a good theory....but hardly likely considering the Garmin riders in the same boat...0 -
BBC 5Live just announced that Tyler Hamilton will be interviewed by them on their Up All Night show @ 1am0
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Hincapie is worse than LA, Tyler & Floyd combined ... Waits until he can walk away rich, with all of his ventures paid for by his part in this whole thing ...
Same with Vaughters, he waited until he had cemented his team and personal income before coming clean ...0 -
frenchfighter wrote:...
Not much respect for the guy. Wait until you retire then admit it and only then because it is coming out anyway.
All that dope and he still didn't win a Classic.
Wish you'd make your mind up, in other threads you've said contradictory things:
"I don't have much of an opinion about him. Yes he took drugs but he comes across as a nice guy and a great teammate. Very strong regardless."
"Go George. Finally." which you said was "... related to him giving evidence."
to sum up: you have no opinion and also no respect for a nice guy who was a strong rider. well done for giving evidence, but 'bad form' for waiting until you retire.
is that about right?
and you still think contador is a 'true champion'.--
Burls Ti Tourer for Tarmac, Saracen aluminium full suss for trails0 -
So what are the implications for DaveB now that Michael Barry has come out?0
