Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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ddraver wrote::x All right.....
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Don't worry, we've all done it.
Well not me, obviously. Everyone else has though. Well most of them. Well Frenchie, at any rate.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
iainf72 wrote:Race Radio has tweeted that USADA are busy putting their evidence into a form the UCI can use. It was ready for an arbitration hearing, not for a federation (in terms of format)
Should hit them in the next 10 days.
I've been away, now I'm playing catch-up.
Am I right in thinking that all the people named in the USADA letter, results as follows:
Armstrong: banned and titles stripped
Ferrari: banned
Luis Garcia del Moal: banned
Celaya, Bruyneel and Marti : going to arbitration.
Meanwhile, I see that Landis has been in court in California and has made a deal to stay out of prison; he will have to repay those who contributed to the Floyd Fairness Fund. But not all of them. Apparently Tailwind Sports don't want their $$,$$$ donations returned.
In all, he raised an estimated $1 million. About $700,000, Landis and others from the FFF have said, came from big-ticket donors. At least four were investors in Tailwind Sports, including a reported $50,000 donation from founder and chairman Thomas Weisel.
........ So why were the money guys behind Armstrong suddenly writing five-figure checks to a rival rider considered a traitor? Did Armstrong ask them, as some have suggested? Did he quietly pass them money to pass along to Landis? Did he magnanimously set aside past hostilities and help a fellow rider he genuinely believed was clean?
Or was something more sinister at work: Did it amount to hush money?0 -
no it wasnt cos he thought he was innocent as they'd been doping buddies at USPS
yes, it was hush money from Armstrong to Landis as he certainly knew where the skeletons were buried0 -
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Lichtblick wrote:
Armstrong: banned and titles stripped
Ferrari: banned
Luis Garcia del Moal: banned
Celaya, Bruyneel and Marti : going to arbitration.
More or less. The UCI need to implement the ban / title stripping but that's about it.
RaceRadio tweeted Bruyneel is basically hanging it out so he can earn another few 100K dollars from Becca because the evidence will be overwhelming.
When Marti is gone, who will "train" / tape the bags to the walls for Bertie?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
The last article in the letters section of Cycling weekly is sadly reflective of the public view on Armstrong. A cancer beating hero who has been unfairly hounded and the most drug tested rider who never failed one.
This will never change for some, even some who read all the facts will still blindly refuse it. After all these people probably think man never landed on the moon and that Elvis is still serving chips.
I hope the USADA and WADA do release all th info they have, and that the UCI act upon this and make changes in their structure too.
However i fear this will never happen and Lance will continue to be a hero for many. Me i am ashamed to now admit to buying the book and wristbands and watching his early exploits with admiration. Now I feel cheated by him, but more importantly, given the UCI complicence in his cheating, I can no longer watch professional cycling and view it as a sport. It is now just a spectacle, just like pro wrestling, and I hold it in the same contempt.
The omerta is still there and lke many of the above posts have stated, there are many people prepared to accept drugs and the bizare super human spectacle they create.
I would have loved to write a reply to the cycling weekly letter but there is none so blind as those that won't see.0 -
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There was a suggestion that he might set up a breakaway triathlon federation, without USADA oversight.
Sounds 'interesting'...
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I'm reminded of something I may have said earlier but I think it applies here.bockers wrote:...... even some who read all the facts .................. there is none so blind as those that won't see.
The late, great Moe Howard said two things I'll never forget.
"I'll gouge your eyes out you numbskull." and
"Only fools are positve."0 -
lance was EPO positive0
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Meanwhile, Vaughters in the Telegraph today:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... -past.html
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Operacion Puerto trial to finally begin* in January
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/operaci ... 0&ns_fee=0
*split infinitive. That headline should have read "Operacion Puerto trial finally to begin in January"
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"Operacion Puerto trial starts in January" :roll:0 -
One of the commentator makes an interesting point about the problems with countries where doping is illegal. If Captain America and Major can be entirely truthful about their past, it is nt fair to Lieutenant France and Capitano italia who could face jail time if they admit to doping.
It's not an insurmountable problem, but it's significant extra complexityWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/story/2012/09/21/congressmen-introduce-bill-to-reform-usada/57821062/1
Congressmen getting in the way... gets my back up reading stuff like this0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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iainf72 wrote:
Hmmmm.....Yet various doping scandals have shown that athletes with the help of medical and other experts have managed to escape detection by the most effective doping programme ever implemented;
Notwithstanding all efforts it has not been possible to avoid doping practices for which science and WADA could not provide detection methods and that can only be detected by police methods that are outside the reach of an international federation ;
Well, a fair bit of that bit makes sense...Awareness of what has happened or even sanctions for violations that have been detected many years afterwards do not enable to undo and clean up what has to be accepted as a dark period in cyclings history ;
There is no point in continuing to reexamine the past of then undetectable doping and stigmatize the sport of the young generations now that the situation has considerably improved through UCI’s continued efforts.
This bit... seeing as its in reference to Armstrong, is b***ocks... unless 2009 is many years afterwards from 2011 when the USADA stuff got going. I count that as 2 years afterwards myself.
Plus, saying "There is no point in continuing to reexamine the past of then undetectable doping" is awful, if that's the precedent to be set then it would now mean "do what you want as long as we don't have a test for it".
The UCI needs to be ripped apart... this just proves that they have no honourable role to play in protecting clean athletes from having to compete against dopers. Tw*ts. (*=a not i)0 -
What's really really sad is that a lot of this cr@p could be avoided if Lance just stuck his hands in the air. Now we've got idiot congressmen chipping in and the UCI getting more and more stupid by the minute.
Would the UCI and Congress get in the way if Lance stuck is hands up?? ...and, why the hell don't they shut up and wait for the evidence before looking like morons??0 -
Good to see that the UCI's instinct to sweep things under the carpet remains.
Dave_1 will approve.0 -
andyp wrote:Good to see that the UCI's instinct to sweep things under the carpet remains.
Dave_1 will approve.
Yes, and whilst they take that stance as 'best for the sport' they conveniently would benefit greatly from not being hauled over the coals for all their corrupt dipshit self-serving activities.
What we need is the public to start hounding McQuaid everywhere he goes to highlight this issue. If I saw him then I know I would.0 -
Re LA, let's see how many sponsors are in the sport in the next few years. Good he's gone..but so many did it, the real problem is nowhere near solved. I suppose if there's big sponsor withdrawls in the next few years then I may have had a point and if not, then I was wrong. I wonder if the cleansing could kill the patient.0
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You could easily argue that any cleansing would attract sponsors espeically higher profile ones as the risk to your brand of being associated with cycling would be less. Worrying that it might hurt a bit is not a reason to avoid the operation.
What cycling needs is a UCIectomy. They are showing themselves to be partisan and unfit to run the sport day-by-day. If anyone is damaging cycling in 2012 it is the governing body not the riders and not doping itself. Death by a thousand cuts of UCI incompetence. Frustrating to watch.0 -
skavanagh.bikeradar wrote:You could easily argue that any cleansing would attract sponsors espeically higher profile ones as the risk to your brand of being associated with cycling would be less. Worrying that it might hurt a bit is not a reason to avoid the operation.
What cycling needs is a UCIectomy. They are showing themselves to be partisan and unfit to run the sport day-by-day. If anyone is damaging cycling in 2012 it is the governing body not the riders and not doping itself. Death by a thousand cuts of UCI incompetence. Frustrating to watch.
High Road folded, Gerolsteiner too. Euskatel seemed doubtful fora while. Spain and Germany have few sponsors or teams in the sport. A whole load of riders who are capable riders are competing for fewer world tour team places than there might have been and spending seasons at a lower tier of racing, pro conti etc. Garmin seemed to be struggling to get extra sponsors. Europcar was last minute deal 2 seasons ago. The current situation is not healthy and I just asked if spreading doping headliness all over the media was good. There's a middle road between outing everyone in the sport for doping and allowing doping to flourish.0 -
Sure, but how did we get here? It is becoming increasingly clear that it is an issue of governance. The third way you are looking for probably consists in large part of more effective leadership. It may pan out as you say. If so, blame the UCI first.0
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Sounds like some Ressiott action in l'equipe tomorrow.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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Turned on BBC2 mid afternoon today to catch the race and Pat was spouting on about allegations of UCI cover-up being b**cks, and there was (recorded) comment from Millar. Initially I thought I had got the times wrong and missed the race finish, but turned over to red button and there was still a lap left.
What was the point of putting this on against their own broadcast of the live race coverage? What fan would be watching?0 -
Interview with Tygard in l'Equipe. Talks about the pressure from congress, the death threats etc.
File to UCI this week
via inrng and cyclingfansFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
I bet you good money (£1.50 in my case) that the UCI issue a nonsensical press release about it followed by lots of confusing positonal statements and an appeal to CAS. Unless CAS evidence can be made public, in which case no appeal to CAS and a "we've had a gun held to our heads in this unconstitunional witch hunt" type approach to adopting sanctions.0
