Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

rdt

skavanagh.bikeradar wrote:

I bet you good money (£1.50 in my case) that the UCI issue a nonsensical press release about it followed by lots of confusing positonal statements and an appeal to CAS. Unless CAS evidence can be made public, in which case no appeal to CAS and a "we've had a gun held to our heads in this unconstitunional witch hunt" type approach to adopting sanctions.

50p of mine says that the statement reads like it's been written by a logically-challenged half-wit with the grammar of a 6 year old.

shinyhelmut

rdt wrote:

skavanagh.bikeradar wrote:

I bet you good money (£1.50 in my case) that the UCI issue a nonsensical press release about it followed by lots of confusing positonal statements and an appeal to CAS. Unless CAS evidence can be made public, in which case no appeal to CAS and a "we've had a gun held to our heads in this unconstitunional witch hunt" type approach to adopting sanctions.

50p of mine says that the statement reads like it's been written by a logically-challenged half-wit with the grammar of a 6 year old.

So you reckon McQuaid will write the press release himself then?

iainf72

Big George up next for a tearful confession?

tarzan13

Sounds a bit like a warning ..... will be interesting to see if they are planning on calling up Armstrong as witness.... Lots of respect for Tygart

Tygart also said that the dossier of gathered evidence against Armstrong would be sent to the International Cycling Union (UCI) very soon. "It's imminent," he confirmed. "We will transmit the files at the end of this month."

According to L'Equipe, the information contained in the files will be made public "before the end of the year".

Tygart also revealed that Armstrong could be called to testify in the case against Johan Bruyneel, his former team manager still in charge of the RadioShack-Nissan squad. Facing important doping allegations, the Belgian has chosen to turn to USADA's Anti-Doping Review Board and be heard before the panel in the next couple of months.

"I don't know what Bruyneel is hoping for, he has everything to lose," Tygart continued. "He will be heard before the end of the year, and the hearing will be public. Lance Armstrong could be heard as a witness in this case, by the way. He would have to testify under oath, like the others. If there's perjury, it's serious..."

The American continued by explaining that USADA did not receive any information from the federal investigation into Armstrong's former team, US Postal, even though this had initially been planned. The fraud investigation was filed last February.

"The witnesses told us exactly what they had declared to FDA inspectors, and we could confirm all the evidence. That's where Armstrong's declarations regarding a personal witch hunt against him don't make any sense. This affair is much greater that only the Armstrong case. We're talking about a real conspiracy inside US Postal. Perfectly organised, with many actors involved. Many of which have confessed, which will not prevent them from being suspended - moderately," Tygart added.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tygart-received-death-threats-during-usadas-armstrong-investigation

shinyhelmut

iainf72 wrote:

Big George up next for a tearful confession?

It is inevitable. He is too involved in the cycling industry to just slope off into the shadows.

Doobz

If you have not already read this re: Armstrong's Values

http://downthebackstretch.blogspot.fr/2 ... blood.html

Then read the response from Ferrari...

http://downthebackstretch.blogspot.fr/2 ... al-to.html

bigdawg

just a few thoughts last night, but what's the betting the plan was the hog and the doctors accept the arbitration hearing (hence the turnaround of two of the docs from bans to arbitration - Ferrari Im sure will just carry on regardless) - while theyre waiting for the hearing Armstrong has a word with his friends in congress get s the case closed down (again - novitsky) and they all go back to their day jobs...

fidgetyphil

I don't know what Bruyneel is hoping for, he has everything to lose," Tygart continued. "He will be heard before the end of the year, and the hearing will be public. Lance Armstrong could be heard as a witness in this case, by the way. He would have to testify under oath, like the others. If there's perjury, it's serious..."


USADA can't make Armstrong appear though, can they?

rdt

Story in Le Monde yesterday:-

French sports minister calls for UCI to uphold Armstrong sanction

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french- ... g-sanction

The French Minister for Sport, Valérie Fourneyron, has welcomed the recent developments in the case against Lance Armstrong, making a firm call for the International Cycling Union (UCI) to uphold the sanctions imposed by USADA when it will receive the dossier from the American Anti-Doping Agency.

"I would not understand it if the UCI doesn't strip Lance Armstrong from his seven Tour de France titles. The UCI has to take its responsibilities regarding USADA's conclusions. It's the last necessary step in this procedure," Fourneyron told Le Monde on Monday.

TheBigBean

fidgetyphil wrote:

I don't know what Bruyneel is hoping for, he has everything to lose," Tygart continued. "He will be heard before the end of the year, and the hearing will be public. Lance Armstrong could be heard as a witness in this case, by the way. He would have to testify under oath, like the others. If there's perjury, it's serious..."


USADA can't make Armstrong appear though, can they?

This is a question I have been wondering about for a while. I don't know the answer, but I would guess that Armstrong will plead whichever amendment it is (5th?) and not make any comment, then tell the masses that he couldn't answer the questions as that would be assisting the kangeroo court. After all, I think the main reason he is not "fighting" is due to the perjury part.

ms_tree

According the the National Enquirer - so it must be true - Armstrong isn't defending this because he want to get married instead. 8)

RichN95.

Ms Tree wrote:

According the the National Enquirer - so it must be true - Armstrong isn't defending this because he want to get married instead. 8)

Well one leads to a never-ending series of arguements and accusations and will cost him a lot of money in the long run, and the other is a doping hearing.

jerry3571

Just no idea if there is an end game here. As Hamilton has been quoted-

Hamilton poured scorn on the drug testing carried out, however, saying:
"They weren't drug tests. They were more like discipline tests, IQ tests.
"If you were careful and paid attention, you could dope and be 99 percent certain that you would not get caught.
"They've got their doctors, and we've got ours, and ours are better. Better paid, for sure."

This will still be the case when the UCI/USDA/LA punch up has subsided. The doper's Doctors are better equipped to sidestep tests so we are still left in the poop. No shangri la.

Jerry

tarzan13

jerry3571 wrote:

Just no idea if there is an end game here. As Hamilton has been quoted-

Hamilton poured scorn on the drug testing carried out, however, saying:
"They weren't drug tests. They were more like discipline tests, IQ tests.
"If you were careful and paid attention, you could dope and be 99 percent certain that you would not get caught.
"They've got their doctors, and we've got ours, and ours are better. Better paid, for sure."

This will still be the case when the UCI/USDA/LA punch up has subsided. The doper's Doctors are better equipped to sidestep tests so we are still left in the poop. No shangri la.

Jerry

Even Tygart suggested that they are running 7 years behind....

jerry3571

Ouch! 7 years!

ddraver

Interesting - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087 ... 60282.html

Smaller US Triathlons forsaking any accreditation as letting D1ckface race draws in more people...

fidgetyphil

Appears the date for the file to get to UCI has slipped a tad:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19737213



Lance Armstrong Usada report set to be released in October

The long-awaited report into Lance Armstrong's lifetime ban from cycling should be sent to the sport's governing body, the UCI, by 15 October.

mfin

ddraver wrote:

Interesting - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087 ... 60282.html

Smaller US Triathlons forsaking any accreditation as letting D1ckface race draws in more people...

The shame is twofold, one that a race separates itself from the main body in order to have him compete as it pulls in crowds and money I suppose. Two, (and the worse one), is that LA (sorry, D1ckface I meant) puts the races in the position that they'll consider separating off, by competing in the race if they make it possible for him to, he sees himself as more important than any race... and its also inconsiderate to anyone else racing who's collecting points for rankings, now its a race which they can't get a bean from.

kfinlay

fidgetyphil wrote:

Appears the date for the file to get to UCI has slipped a tad:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19737213



Lance Armstrong Usada report set to be released in October

The long-awaited report into Lance Armstrong's lifetime ban from cycling should be sent to the sport's governing body, the UCI, by 15 October.

Just in time for my birthday, my admiration for TT grows daily

Jez mon

mfin wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Interesting - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087 ... 60282.html

Smaller US Triathlons forsaking any accreditation as letting D1ckface race draws in more people...

The shame is twofold, one that a race separates itself from the main body in order to have him compete as it pulls in crowds and money I suppose. Two, (and the worse one), is that LA (sorry, D1ckface I meant) puts the races in the position that they'll consider separating off, by competing in the race if they make it possible for him to, he sees himself as more important than any race... and its also inconsiderate to anyone else racing who's collecting points for rankings, now its a race which they can't get a bean from.

Indeed. Once again there's a sports organisation letting LA act like he's bigger than sport, favouring short term profit, over long term health of the race, just like the UCI is accused of doing. IMO Lance will get bored of his triathlon career, he's been the best cyclist in the world, I don't think being an average triathlete will hold any long term appeal to him. Then hopefully, the race organisers will get told to f*** off by the accrediting body.

ddraver

To be fair, it's a tiny race organization, not a sports organization. I'm sure he could rock up at the Fred Whitton or Mountain Mayhem* too as they re not UCI/BC sanctioned. The point is that these races are CHOOSING not to apply for accreditation to let him race, not that they re bending the rules to let him in...

*I think

bigdawg

ddraver wrote:

To be fair, it's a tiny race organization, not a sports organization. I'm sure he could rock up at the Fred Whitton or Mountain Mayhem* too as they re not UCI/BC sanctioned. The point is that these races are CHOOSING not to apply for accreditation to let him race, not that they re bending the rules to let him win, and get the biggest field of racers theyve ever had with their inflated entry fees.....

*I think

Fixed that for you....

sherer

plus not being sanctions does away with those nasty drug tests.

Surely he must be up to 600 tests by now

Drumlin

I was never a fan of Armstrong's attitude when he was racing but with every day that passes without the USADA dossier being passed to the UCI I find myself more in agreement with him on this one. That they are still collecting evidence after his 'trial' does not inspire confidence in the fairness of said 'trial'.

sherer

Drumlin wrote:

I was never a fan of Armstrong's attitude when he was racing but with every day that passes without the USADA dossier being passed to the UCI I find myself more in agreement with him on this one. That they are still collecting evidence after his 'trial' does not inspire confidence in the fairness of said 'trial'.

No what they have said is their file was in a format ready to go forward with arbitration. As that isn't happening they are now having to put it in a format so they UCI can review it properly

fidgetyphil

sherer wrote:

Drumlin wrote:

I was never a fan of Armstrong's attitude when he was racing but with every day that passes without the USADA dossier being passed to the UCI I find myself more in agreement with him on this one. That they are still collecting evidence after his 'trial' does not inspire confidence in the fairness of said 'trial'.

No what they have said is their file was in a format ready to go forward with arbitration. As that isn't happening they are now having to put it in a format so they UCI can review it properly

UCI seem to differ:





UCI president Pat McQuaid said: "We thought Usada were better prepared."

And he added: "The UCI had no reason to assume that a full case file did not exist but USADA's continued failure to produce the decision is now a cause for concern.

"It is over a month since Usada sanctioned Lance Armstrong."

A UCI statement added that it was unusual that Usada was still gathering evidence after finding the 40-year-old American guilty. Armstrong has always denied doping.

"It seems that it would have been more useful for Usada to have used the time of the Tour de France, the Olympic Games and the Road World Championships to prepare their case in full rather than to make announcements," the UCI said.

"It is at very least unusual that Usada would still be gathering evidence against a person after it has found that person guilty.
Continue reading the main story


"The UCI assumes that the reasons for any difficulty in putting the evidence together will be explained in Usada's decision."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19749763

Richmond Racer

Armstrong's guilty as hell, PM is totally inept and HV is a helluva corrupt individual, but...have to say that this very lengthy delay is not doing USADA any favours in the PR war.

bockers

Part of the problem appears to be that they are still getting evidence in. It could be that post their initail announcement and the publication of Hamiltons book that the omerta on Lances' activities has been broken.

As someone pointed out earlier in this thread, i would rather see a well laid out dossier than a rushed exposé of events.

Richmond Racer

bockers wrote:

Part of the problem appears to be that they are still getting evidence in. It could be that post their initail announcement and the publication of Hamiltons book that the omerta on Lances' activities has been broken.

As someone pointed out earlier in this thread, i would rather see a well laid out dossier than a rushed exposé of events.

Appreciate that, but the USADA made their decision that he was guilty of the charges and to strip him of the titles accordingly, based on the evidence they had at the time. If you're a neutral observer - and this is whom the anti-USADA angle can play to - questions might start to be planted in peoples minds as to whether they did indeed have all of the necessary evidence at the time of the judgement, or whether they're really assembling a lot of the meat after the fact.

As I said, I have no questions in my mind personally, but this is what I'm getting at when I mention PR angles.

bompington

Richmond Racer wrote:

If you're a neutral observer - and this is whom the anti-USADA angle can play to

But they're not playing to the neutral, are they?