Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    Is golf a sport ?

    I suppose it is if darts and snooker are...
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    andy_wrx wrote:
    Is golf a sport ?
    I suppose it is if darts and snooker are...
    Well It's a stroll in the park and then some more relaxation in the Bar.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,437
    andy_wrx wrote:
    Is golf a sport ?

    I suppose it is if darts and snooker are...

    I'd say so.
    But it makes for a really boring discussion
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Okay, so I'm 2 years behind the times but I've finally just got around to watching The Armstrong Lie...

    There's some book to be written in an oral history of that 2009 tour, isn't there?
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Okay, so I'm 2 years behind the times but I've finally just got around to watching The Armstrong Lie...

    There's some book to be written in an oral history of that 2009 tour, isn't there?

    or when the timer runs out on the statute of limitations on that one
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    mididoctors wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Okay, so I'm 2 years behind the times but I've finally just got around to watching The Armstrong Lie...

    There's some book to be written in an oral history of that 2009 tour, isn't there?

    or when the timer runs out on the statute of limitations on that one


    I'm imagining a Slaying the Badger type thing, but with each stage told in quotes from the protagonists... Of course this would require Johan Tight-Lips to admit he was there and saw the race.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,340
    Just watched the 52 excruciating minutes.

    He kept saying 'I geddit' and never really apologising. I also think he is delusional and hoping al will be forgiven in years to come and history will miraculously credit him with the 7 TdF wins. He is actually a pretty sad figure.
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  • meanredspider
    meanredspider Posts: 12,337
    I thought he actually did "geddit" - so he wasn't particularly contrite but then he doesn't believe he's been treated even-handedly.
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  • Manc33
    Manc33 Posts: 2,157
    I just hate seeing a big gap in Wikipedia ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Oh they have filled his name in now, but with his 7 names crossed out, the shame lol.

    Personally I think he should be handed them back, because other people that finished in the top 50+ those years were "more than likely" to have been doping. I differ in that I don't need any proof of that, its obvious enough to not warrant proof.

    I heard a guy on the tour say its all been clamped down on since those days, but so will the cyclists techniques in not getting caught. They can clamp down too! :lol:

    When Lance does these interviews doesn't anyone ever mention that he can't have been the only one doping? I never hear him say that himself but if I was him I would be, not caring that no one got "caught" lol.

    Perhaps the saddest thing is how other riders knew Lance was doping and said nothing, that annoys me more than him doping for some reason, him threatening people etc to keep them quiet. For that the guy is a flat out w*nker.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,437
    loses SCA case
    £10mil hit
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  • jimmythecuckoo
    jimmythecuckoo Posts: 4,719
    This thread is getting interesting once again... I am back in.
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  • le_patron
    le_patron Posts: 494
    TailWindHome wrote:
    loses SCA case
    £10mil hit

    Ha ha - Bob Hamman plays the long game - and wins.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/13/sport ... ecsey.html
  • BenderRodriguez
    BenderRodriguez Posts: 907
    Manc33 wrote:
    other people that finished in the top 50+ those years were "more than likely" to have been doping. I differ in that I don't need any proof of that, its obvious enough to not warrant proof.

    That is certainly the line Armstrong has been trying to push. However, I do think that there is reason to think that post-Festina many teams did come off or really cut back on the 'hot sauce'. As Frankie Andreu said in that chat with Vaughters "After 1999, you know many things changed. Lance did not." Then there are those 1999 Tour samples, 84 were tested and just 12 found to be positive for EPO, and a full half of these belonged to Armstrong. On the basis of this sort of evidence I think that Walsh was right in arguing that Armstrong was instrumental in dragging the sport back into full-on doping. What you say is probably right on the money for the 2001 - 2005 Tours, as by this point most teams had got over the shock of the Festina bust and, seeing what Armstrong and USP were up to, realised that they had to 'fight with the same weapons' or resign themselves to being also-rans.
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  • HertsG
    HertsG Posts: 129
     
    TailWindHome wrote:
    loses SCA case
    £10mil hit

    US$10m
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    TailWindHome wrote:
    loses SCA case
    £10mil hit

    And his depantsing is complete
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    I hope his big buddy Sean Yates is on hand with a few notes. Harshly treated etc...
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    Can he appeal this and get it knocked down ?

    Did he have to go to court, wonder what he said under oath this time ;)
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    SCA : Aren't they run from the back of a barbershop, with their positions written in pencil on a pine table?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke. With a bit of luck they'll string him up too.
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Joelsim wrote:
    Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke. With a bit of luck they'll string him up too.

    Let's not go nuts eh?
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    I find it strange that someone who didn't watch cycling during Armstrong era could hold such strong views.

    Maybe that's just me?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655
    iainf72 wrote:
    I find it strange that someone who didn't watch cycling during Armstrong era could hold such strong views.

    Maybe that's just me?

    I didn't watch during the Armstrong era. I watched before, and I watch again now.
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  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    BenderRodriguez wrote:
    .......realised that they had to 'fight with the same weapons' or resign themselves to being also-rans.
    My thoughts exactly about Team Festina trying to use the same weapons as the Deutsche Telekom Supermen and going to Germany to get some.
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    iainf72 wrote:
    I find it strange that someone who didn't watch cycling during Armstrong era could hold such strong views.

    Maybe that's just me?

    I did, but I didn't watch anywhere near as much as I have for the past few years.

    Anyway my comment isn't about cycling or about doping, it's about Lance Armstrong. The bloke is just horrible and typifies many things I find vulgar and indefensible.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,340
    Joelsim wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    I find it strange that someone who didn't watch cycling during Armstrong era could hold such strong views.

    Maybe that's just me?

    I did, but I didn't watch anywhere near as much as I have for the past few years.

    Anyway my comment isn't about cycling or about doping, it's about Lance Armstrong. The bloke is just horrible and typifies many things I find vulgar and indefensible.

    Oh come on, he's not Pol Pot and what a fantastic soap opera we've been witness to as well as sequels. I wonder how we'll see this whole period in 20 years time.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    iainf72 wrote:
    I find it strange that someone who didn't watch cycling during Armstrong era could hold such strong views.

    Maybe that's just me?

    Just you I think. I probably have much more moderate views because I ultimately need to reconcile the enjoyment I got out of a fundamentally drug riddled era and doping enhanced performances.

    If you never got the chance to enjoy the racing, and you're thus divorced from it, it's easier to be extreme about it.
    _
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    pinarello001 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    I find it strange that someone who didn't watch cycling during Armstrong era could hold such strong views.

    Maybe that's just me?

    I did, but I didn't watch anywhere near as much as I have for the past few years.

    Anyway my comment isn't about cycling or about doping, it's about Lance Armstrong. The bloke is just horrible and typifies many things I find vulgar and indefensible.

    Oh come on, he's not Pol Pot and what a fantastic soap opera we've been witness to as well as sequels. I wonder how we'll see this whole period in 20 years time.

    As I said this isn't about cycling. I just despise characters like him who are happy to ruin other people. Yes, he's not the only one in the world, but just looking at his evil, selfish eyes makes me sick. A truly revolting individual.
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Nah, if there's one case he should lose, it's this one. He was a f'ucking animal about it in.. what was it.. 2004?

    The next one, however.. If Floyd gets a penny out of it, I'm calling Lance and say he's alright after all.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/31495246
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    Joelsim wrote:
    As I said this isn't about cycling. I just despise characters like him who are happy to ruin other people. Yes, he's not the only one in the world, but just looking at his evil, selfish eyes makes me sick. A truly revolting individual.

    Calm down :) You can't go on looks to assess how bad someone is, you must really hate Dick Dastardly and Baron Greenback.

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