Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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RichN95 wrote:
Blimey. Even Stalin didn't go that far.Joelsim wrote:That's a different matter entirely. If I had my way I'd make believing in (whichever) god a crime.
Aye. Legalised brainwashing, intolerance and stupidity. Not to mention the killing in the name of a figment of people's imagination. Sad and worrying. Not one good thing has ever come out of religion.0 -
Joelsim wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Blimey. Even Stalin didn't go that far.Joelsim wrote:That's a different matter entirely. If I had my way I'd make believing in (whichever) god a crime.
Aye. Legalised brainwashing, intolerance and stupidity. Not to mention the killing in the name of a figment of people's imagination. Sad and worrying. Not one good thing has ever come out of religion.
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Joelsim wrote:Not one good thing has ever come out of religion.
Cologne Cathedral is pretty amazing.0 -
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However, on with the show. (and my appologies, but I learnt as a teenager that religion is the biggest "Money making Machine" devised by man)(sorry, I couldn't resist)
Oh dear, another one comes out of the woodwork with some stale notions of 22 years ago.Zerotails99 wrote:He was in his early 20s pal. Just become a pro cyclist. As a teenage triathlete he was smashing his experienced competitors. Extremely talented. Won the 7 tdf without even putting in 100 percent
We had all that in 1992 when Jim Ochowicz brought him over to Europe with the same sort of fanfare you now make about an extremely talented rider they now had on the 7 Eleven cycling team. Blah, Blah, Burp
His talent was good in the USA Pro ranks for a couple of seasons but not when he was in the European Races "until" he got lucky with his jump away from a Selection in the 1993 World Road Championship and as is the Norm, the selection wouldn't work together to catch him. He took that win on a plate given to him.
He gets the Brownie Points for a Gutsy ride in atrocious conditions but let himself down with Brash and arrogant behavior. (Oh dear he said in Liege that nobody recognises him there and his mechanics thought he would cry when he got to his room)Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
You mean the DOM in KOLN, yes it is.OCDuPalais wrote:Joelsim wrote:Not one good thing has ever come out of religion.
Cologne Cathedral is pretty amazing.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
RichN95 wrote:
Not much chance for him there. He's a left-leaning atheist in Texas. They only way he'll get their vote is if he shoots Raul Alcala sneaking over the border.deejay wrote:I still say he is attempting Credibility for a run in Politics where he would fit perfectly.
Lol. Some may not remember Alcala or his win at Magny Cours(?)seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Spa in Belgium I believe. But an F1 track all the same.pinarello001 wrote:Lol. Some may not remember Alcala or his win at Magny Cours(?)Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
Spa in Belgium I believe. But an F1 track all the same.pinarello001 wrote:Lol. Some may not remember Alcala or his win at Magny Cours(?)
Wasn't he with PDM at the time? (Rick say's it's ok to go off topic and if Rick say's it's ok, then it's ok).seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
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Lance Armstrong said that he wants to “try and make it right”, but is sending subpoenas to those who testified he doped to win seven Tour de France titles.Yellow Peril wrote:
Former team-mate Frankie Andreu received one and others are reportedly next.
“This shows that Armstrong will stop at nothing to continue the Armstrong lie,” Andreu’s wife, Betsy Andreu told the New York Daily News.
“This is nothing more than payback. It’s to be burdensome and to hassle us. But you know what, in the end, it’s just stupid.”
Can someone explain to Betsy that Courts work both ways please?
What the fffffflip do they expect him to do?We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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ddraver wrote:
Lance Armstrong said that he wants to “try and make it right”, but is sending subpoenas to those who testified he doped to win seven Tour de France titles.Yellow Peril wrote:
Former team-mate Frankie Andreu received one and others are reportedly next.
“This shows that Armstrong will stop at nothing to continue the Armstrong lie,” Andreu’s wife, Betsy Andreu told the New York Daily News.
“This is nothing more than payback. It’s to be burdensome and to hassle us. But you know what, in the end, it’s just stupid.”
Can someone explain to Betsy that Courts work both ways please?
What the fffffflip do they expect him to do?
Apparently it will cost the Andreus a six figure sum. This was after an episode when Lance was due to meet Betsy to apologise in person and then on the day bottled out, after Betsy had travelled to Austin.0 -
Joelsim wrote:ddraver wrote:
Lance Armstrong said that he wants to “try and make it right”, but is sending subpoenas to those who testified he doped to win seven Tour de France titles.Yellow Peril wrote:
Former team-mate Frankie Andreu received one and others are reportedly next.
“This shows that Armstrong will stop at nothing to continue the Armstrong lie,” Andreu’s wife, Betsy Andreu told the New York Daily News.
“This is nothing more than payback. It’s to be burdensome and to hassle us. But you know what, in the end, it’s just stupid.”
Can someone explain to Betsy that Courts work both ways please?
What the fffffflip do they expect him to do?
Apparently it will cost the Andreus a six figure sum. This was after an episode when Lance was due to meet Betsy to apologise in person and then on the day bottled out, after Betsy had travelled to Austin.
How?
If "the defendant" subpoenas a person, is it not the defendants (or the justice systems?) responsibility to pay? Or are the Andreu's lawyering up to make sure their reputation is untouched?.....'Cos that's not the same thing...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Surely you just turn up, answer the questions to the best of your ability and then go home again. And the people who subpoenaed you pay for your travel and hotel. It should cost them sod all.ddraver wrote:How?
If "the defendant" subpoenas a person, is it not the defendants (or the justice systems?) responsibility to pay? Or are the Andreu's lawyering up to make sure their reputation is untouched?.....'Cos that's not the same thing...Twitter: @RichN950 -
Is Lance getting together a list of people who will be equally liable for a settlement as co-conspirators?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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RichN95 wrote:
Surely you just turn up, answer the questions to the best of your ability and then go home again. And the people who subpoenaed you pay for your travel and hotel. It should cost them sod all.ddraver wrote:How?
If "the defendant" subpoenas a person, is it not the defendants (or the justice systems?) responsibility to pay? Or are the Andreu's lawyering up to make sure their reputation is untouched?.....'Cos that's not the same thing...
Presumably in normal circumstances this is true, but the Andreus probably think Lance is playing a game and would like some lawyers to make sure they know the rules.0 -
TailWindHome wrote:Is Lance getting together a list of people who will be equally liable for a settlement as co-conspirators?
Oooh, I like that, that sounds fun!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Or his lawyers are trying to show that there was doping at US Postal before Armstrong was there, thereby diminishing his culpability.TailWindHome wrote:Is Lance getting together a list of people who will be equally liable for a settlement as co-conspirators?Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
Surely you just turn up, answer the questions to the best of your ability and then go home again. And the people who subpoenaed you pay for your travel and hotel. It should cost them sod all.ddraver wrote:How?
If "the defendant" subpoenas a person, is it not the defendants (or the justice systems?) responsibility to pay? Or are the Andreu's lawyering up to make sure their reputation is untouched?.....'Cos that's not the same thing...
I dunno, just what she said in an interview.0 -
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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There is a big connection to Armstrong but first he won Stage 3 TDF 1989 at Spa-Francorchamps in PDM colours.pinarello001 wrote:
Wasn't he with PDM at the time? (Rick say's it's ok to go off topic and if Rick say's it's ok, then it's ok).RichN95 wrote:
Spa in Belgium I believe. But an F1 track all the same.pinarello001 wrote:Lol. Some may not remember Alcala or his win at Magny Cours(?)
Then in 1990 he won Stage 7 TDF at Epinal with PDM. and also in 1990 he won the Tour DuPont in the USA.
In 1992 he won the San Sebastián but the one I remember most in 1993 (on German Satelite) was him winning the Dupont tour again.
I remember because Alcala caught Armstrong and left him way back before he punctured and the Texan came flying past. Alcala finally got going and caught and dropped the young Loud Mouth Texan.LA Times wrote:
Alcala, 29, of Mexico, the 1990 race winner, claimed Sunday's 36.7-mile High Point-to-Greensboro, N.C., individual time trial in 1 hour 14 minutes 16 seconds.
Armstrong, 21, of Plano, Tex., who won the fifth stage last Monday to move into second place behind Alcala, was twice passed by the race winner on the course and finished fourth in the time trial. Overall, Armstrong was 2 minutes, 26 seconds behind Alcala.
In 1994 he joined the Motorolo Team for 4 years and won very little except the Tour of Mexico and the Dupont Prologue.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Thanks, so I can't be bothered. zzzzzzzzzzddraver wrote:Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Just watched the BBC interview and know what, I never liked the guy BUT he did come across quite well. He seemed somewhat bemused and I tended to agree with him towards the end... Everyone was put in that position and to suggest just packing up to "save" your integrity as the reporter said seems a bit fanciful to say the least!
Imagine the choice Dream job as a pro cyclist or going home , until you are faced with a choice that stark who knows what you would do.
I think his arrogance back then made him a target, the 43 yr old Armstrong appears to have grown up a bit and with hindsight he accepts he was wrong in lots of things. Here we are 10 years after his last TDF win and to be honest, with everything going on in the world right now, his issues are not such a big deal anymore. Let the guy race and run and if he "wins" a couple of local races, big deal!
Time to move on in my opinion, but as a forum I am only too ready to be shot down/disagreed with!
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