Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

timoid.

RichN95 wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

He's more hero than anti-hero though and if he makes a few bucks out of Tailwind then hey ho who can begrudge him?

He isn't a hero at all. He gave honesty a go only when all of the dishonest options had dried up.

Before he wrote his e-mail he was a very enthusiastic participant in the US Postal doping program, kept going with the doping after leaving for Phonak, stood on the podium on the Champs Elysee in the yellow jersey having doped, lied about his doping for four years after being caught, wrote a book about how he was innocent, asked the public to contibute to his fairness fund and still claims he never took the testorone that he tested positive for.

Is that your idea of a hero?

If he makes one cent out of this, it will be two cents too much.

Was tired. Meant to say More anti-hero than hero.

What he's done, he's done for his own reasons but the outcome is to the benefit of cycling. It took a loose cannon like Floyd to finally lift the lid on the biggest elephant in the cycling room.

Richmond Racer

mididoctors wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Have to take Vaughters word for it but it seems that he had been talking with Landis throughout and encouraging him to talk in the run up to the famous email

does he get a medal?

why didn't vaughters just do it? because he had too much to lose at the time?


he needed a deal first before going on record and just pushed Landis?

Hey, i was replying to your comment about who Landis might have had around him, who was a 'positive' (excuse pun) force. It appears that Vaughters did encourage him to do so. It also appears that Vaughters was talking to USADA for some time before this and ahead of 2010. I'm not 100% convinced by Vaughters' motives some of the time, BUT David Walsh has confirmed that Vaughters talked to him off record back a few years ago to back up what the likes of Emma O'Reilly was saying.

mididoctors

Richmond Racer wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Have to take Vaughters word for it but it seems that he had been talking with Landis throughout and encouraging him to talk in the run up to the famous email

does he get a medal?

why didn't vaughters just do it? because he had too much to lose at the time?


he needed a deal first before going on record and just pushed Landis?

Hey, i was replying to your comment about who Landis might have had around him, who was a 'positive' (excuse pun) force. It appears that Vaughters did encourage him to do so. It also appears that Vaughters was talking to USADA for some time before this and ahead of 2010. I'm not 100% convinced by Vaughters' motives some of the time, BUT David Walsh has confirmed that Vaughters talked to him off record back a few years ago to back up what the likes of Emma O'Reilly was saying.

internets......... nah you misread me as well there ain't no malice in my post

its a genuine question? is landis a patsy?

sherer

you can't make this stuff up

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstro ... lower-case

Now the legal team as saying because there was so much stuff in the public domain about LA and his cheating then the Feds etc shouldn't get any money back from the case

fidgetyphil

How much do they charge him for this fabulous advice?

ratsbeyfus

Rundfahrt and Deejay... have you two seen this?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-indurain-and-banesto-were-conconi-clients

*pulls pin & runs*

deejay

ratsbeyfus wrote:

Rundfahrt and Deejay... have you two seen this?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-indurain-and-banesto-were-conconi-clients

*pulls pin & runs*

Stand still, That Man. There is no problem with Old News being regurgitated yet again.
This has it's own thread started at Noon today.

No_Ta_Doctor

deejay wrote:

ratsbeyfus wrote:

Rundfahrt and Deejay... have you two seen this?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-indurain-and-banesto-were-conconi-clients

*pulls pin & runs*

Stand still, That Man. There is no problem with Old News being regurgitated yet again.
This has it's own thread started at Noon today.

Indeed. Now disarm that grenade, ratsy, or fall on it.

ratsbeyfus

No tA Doctor wrote:

deejay wrote:

ratsbeyfus wrote:

Rundfahrt and Deejay... have you two seen this?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-indurain-and-banesto-were-conconi-clients

*pulls pin & runs*

Stand still, That Man. There is no problem with Old News being regurgitated yet again.
This has it's own thread started at Noon today.

Indeed. Now disarm that grenade, ratsy, or fall on it.

Rundfahrt

deejay wrote:

Rundfahrt wrote:

There were no snide remarks and nothing lead to my puzzlement. Perhaps you should go back to school and work on your reading comprehension skills. While you are at it, work on your self-esteem.

So WTF do you have a name for this sentence. ?

Rundfahrt wrote:

The moral is not to have someone bigger, the moral is to be like Indurain and be a nice guy, keep your mouth shut and give many gifts on the road.

Accusation NO you say or Snide Remark also NO.
Well It's something that comes out of your backside that your superior education has a name for.

1) Indurain was merely an example of a recent multi-Tour champion who gifted stages and kept quiet. I am sorry this is too hard for you to figure out.

2) More insults, that seems to be your go to when you have no intelligent response.

3) Ironic that the Indurain story came out today.

Bo Duke

No point going back so far, the sport needs to survive.

Most of the recent culprits have been outted and made to look suitably fraudulent.

The only one who dodged the bullet when he should have taken it between the eyes, was Contador. Personally I would still like to see him get named by someone else and go down.

'Magic meat' my rase, he's no better than LA and in similar style he's laughing all the way to the bank.

dennisn

Bo Duke wrote:

No point going back so far, the sport needs to survive.

Most of the recent culprits have been outted and made to look suitably fraudulent.

The only one who dodged the bullet when he should have taken it between the eyes, was Contador. Personally I would still like to see him get named by someone else and go down.

'Magic meat' my rase, he's no better than LA and in similar style he's laughing all the way to the bank.

How far back do "WE" go then? 2 weeks? 2 years? 2 decades?

If " Most of the recent culprits have......made to look suitably fraudulent" why should LA get different treatment?

How much faith do you put in this "someone else" whom you hope will name AC and thereby "prove" whatever it is you want him to prove?

Of course everyone who makes more money than you is "...laughing all the way to the bank". That's just jealousy talking there. Any possibility that there are people out there who make more than you being decent folks?

thomthom

Bo Duke wrote:

No point going back so far, the sport needs to survive.

Most of the recent culprits have been outted and made to look suitably fraudulent.

The only one who dodged the bullet when he should have taken it between the eyes, was Contador. Personally I would still like to see him get named by someone else and go down.

'Magic meat' my rase, he's no better than LA and in similar style he's laughing all the way to the bank.

While there can be little doubt that Alberto was doping prior to his ban but calling him 'no better than LA' is just laughable. The amount of f'ucks given by Alberto when Lance and Johan tried their well-known tactics they have practiced for years to bully and intimidate him out of the team in 2009 still stands as one the coolest things Alberto has done. (and he has done some pretty cool stuff on the bike) He didn't play their pathethic game. Just kept on. Rode to victory without a team.

You want someone to name Alberto? Well, Lance probably could - but he blew it. Lying about being clean in his comeback has made Alberto holder of all 4 aces if Lance should ever try to set him. Alberto has eyes, too.

RichN95.

Bo Duke wrote:

No point going back so far, the sport needs to survive.

Most of the recent culprits have been outted and made to look suitably fraudulent.

The only one who dodged the bullet when he should have taken it between the eyes, was Contador. Personally I would still like to see him get named by someone else and go down.

'Magic meat' my rase, he's no better than LA and in similar style he's laughing all the way to the bank.

Two points about Contador (of whom I am no fan)

1. He got punished. A two year ban. The backdating bit was a little unsatisfactory, but it was still a ban.

2. The beef excuse may have been weak but in retrospect all those that said it was nonsense due to how heavily regulated the EU industry is nowlook rather daft (including those that ironically claimed that cows couldn't be doper as they'd never fail a drug test)

deejay

RichN95 wrote:

2. The beef excuse may have been weak but in retrospect all those that said it was nonsense due to how heavily regulated the EU industry is nowlook rather daft (including those that ironically claimed that cows couldn't be doper as they'd never fail a drug test)

The weak excuse with large shipments of Argentina beef being imported into the EU. ?
How about a plate of Cheval. ?

deejay

Rundfahrt wrote:

There were no snide remarks and nothing lead to my puzzlement.

deejay wrote:

So WTF do you have a name for this sentence. ?

Rundfahrt wrote:

The moral is not to have someone bigger, the moral is to be like Indurain and be a nice guy, keep your mouth shut and give many gifts on the road.

deejay wrote:

Accusation NO you say or Snide Remark also NO.
Well It's something that comes out of your backside that your superior education has a name for.

No answer, but more pontificating rubbish.

Rundfahrt wrote:

1) Indurain was merely an example of a recent multi-Tour champion who gifted stages and kept quiet. I am sorry this is too hard for you to figure out.
2) More insults, that seems to be your go to when you have no intelligent response.
3) Ironic that the Indurain story came out today.

1)He couldn't do anything about another Wheel sucking EPO rider coming past to take a victory. (including Bruyneel)
2)Well you started the insults so what else can one do with a low Life that can't answer a question !
3) Doh, who woke you up, oh I forgot your on Planet Armstrong. So while you were sleeping these light hearted posts took place

ratsbeyfus wrote:

Rundfahrt and Deejay... have you two seen this?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report- ... ni-clients

*pulls pin & runs*

follow by

deejay wrote:

Stand still, That Man. There is no problem with Old News being regurgitated yet again.
This has it's own thread started at Noon today.

and

No tA Doctor wrote:

Indeed. Now disarm that grenade, ratsy, or fall on it.

So Master of superior education will you answer the question

dennisn

deejay wrote:

Rundfahrt wrote:

There were no snide remarks and nothing lead to my puzzlement.

deejay wrote:

So WTF do you have a name for this sentence. ?

Rundfahrt wrote:

The moral is not to have someone bigger, the moral is to be like Indurain and be a nice guy, keep your mouth shut and give many gifts on the road.

deejay wrote:

Accusation NO you say or Snide Remark also NO.
Well It's something that comes out of your backside that your superior education has a name for.

No answer, but more pontificating rubbish.

Rundfahrt wrote:

1) Indurain was merely an example of a recent multi-Tour champion who gifted stages and kept quiet. I am sorry this is too hard for you to figure out.
2) More insults, that seems to be your go to when you have no intelligent response.
3) Ironic that the Indurain story came out today.

1)He couldn't do anything about another Wheel sucking EPO rider coming past to take a victory. (including Bruyneel)
2)Well you started the insults so what else can one do with a low Life that can't answer a question !
3) Doh, who woke you up, oh I forgot your on Planet Armstrong. So while you were sleeping these light hearted posts took place

ratsbeyfus wrote:

Rundfahrt and Deejay... have you two seen this?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report- ... ni-clients

*pulls pin & runs*

follow by

deejay wrote:

Stand still, That Man. There is no problem with Old News being regurgitated yet again.
This has it's own thread started at Noon today.

and

No tA Doctor wrote:

Indeed. Now disarm that grenade, ratsy, or fall on it.

So Master of superior education will you answer the question

I'm sorry. What was the question again. I've lost track. :oops: :oops:

deejay

dennisn wrote:

How far back do "WE" go then? 2 weeks? 2 years? 2 decades?

If " Most of the recent culprits have......made to look suitably fraudulent" why should LA get different treatment?

Until there is Justification that LA was just another poor soul that got caught up in doping.
So how ever long that takes.
After all they have been taking drugs for 100 years, so what is special about LA. (Is that the argument)

deejay

dennisn wrote:

I'm sorry. What was the question again. I've lost track. :oops: :oops:

Erm, just follow the Red letters.
That should read to follow on from the red letters.
Anyway don't worry about it because he/she knows how to avoid giving an answer.

Must be doing well because the confusion has set in but no matter I've always been known as Tenacious.

Just a minute, the timing is right for you to be rundfarht. ?

nic_77

dennisn wrote:

deejay wrote:

Rundfahrt wrote:

There were no snide remarks and nothing lead to my puzzlement.

deejay wrote:

So WTF do you have a name for this sentence. ?

Rundfahrt wrote:

The moral is not to have someone bigger, the moral is to be like Indurain and be a nice guy, keep your mouth shut and give many gifts on the road.

deejay wrote:

Accusation NO you say or Snide Remark also NO.
Well It's something that comes out of your backside that your superior education has a name for.

No answer, but more pontificating rubbish.

Rundfahrt wrote:

1) Indurain was merely an example of a recent multi-Tour champion who gifted stages and kept quiet. I am sorry this is too hard for you to figure out.
2) More insults, that seems to be your go to when you have no intelligent response.
3) Ironic that the Indurain story came out today.

1)He couldn't do anything about another Wheel sucking EPO rider coming past to take a victory. (including Bruyneel)
2)Well you started the insults so what else can one do with a low Life that can't answer a question !
3) Doh, who woke you up, oh I forgot your on Planet Armstrong. So while you were sleeping these light hearted posts took place

ratsbeyfus wrote:

Rundfahrt and Deejay... have you two seen this?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report- ... ni-clients

*pulls pin & runs*

follow by

deejay wrote:

Stand still, That Man. There is no problem with Old News being regurgitated yet again.
This has it's own thread started at Noon today.

and

No tA Doctor wrote:

Indeed. Now disarm that grenade, ratsy, or fall on it.

So Master of superior education will you answer the question

I'm sorry. What was the question again. I've lost track. :oops: :oops:

Bloody hell Dennis, I was relying on you to unravel this carp and tell me what they are 'thinking'.
Since neither 'contributor' seems to proof their own posts (and meaningful punctuation is sparse), I'm finding the 'conversation' almost impossible to decipher.

dennisn

deejay wrote:

dennisn wrote:

How far back do "WE" go then? 2 weeks? 2 years? 2 decades?

If " Most of the recent culprits have......made to look suitably fraudulent" why should LA get different treatment?

Until there is Justification that LA was just another poor soul that got caught up in doping.
So how ever long that takes.
After all they have been taking drugs for 100 years, so what is special about LA. (Is that the argument)

So, you're saying that most or all of the previous dopers in cycling are "poor souls" who simply got caught up in it all?
I can SORT OF buy that, but don't quite follow your logic that LA is some sort of special case. Is he a special case because he cheated while YOU were watching as opposed to all the other riders being from a different time or era?
Or are you saying that in 20 years LA will, in fact, become one of those "poor souls" simply through the passage of time?

"..., so what is special about LA. (is that the argument)". I suppose he's special now, if only because he's current.
Will he be special in 20 years? Probably not. At least no more so than anyone else from some bygone era(so to speak)
who cheated to win. It will most likely be just another story from the past and I'm sure eclipsed by some other story / scandal.

thomthom

dennisn, out of the 254 pages in this thread 253 of them have been full of answers from different people as to why Lance is 'something special'. And you know that oh so well. You are the one questioning it over and over again.

Come on.. Just a tiny bit of an effort from you sometimes.. Is that really too much to ask of?

Richmond Racer

Interesting possibilities why at this point the Feds arent going after Weisel or Stapleton in the qui tam suit - in essence possible that these two may be close to settlement

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/ ... ers_276134

dennisn

ThomThom wrote:

dennisn, out of the 254 pages in this thread 253 of them have been full of answers from different people as to why Lance is 'something special'.

Special to you? Most definitely. Special to me?? Not so much so. He's simply another story in a world filled with them.
I think you're assuming that because I'm posting on a bike forum that I must hold all pro cyclist's in high esteem or worship the ground they walk on. I do find the LA story somewhat interesting but that will fade when the new story(whatever it may be) comes to light. I really do have an intense interest in why people seem to be so upset with
someone who cheated at sports. It's not like it hasn't happened before and it will happen again.

I see a lot of people on this forum saying that they want a winner they can believe in(or something to that effect).
Good luck with that idea. :roll:

andrewjoseph

dennisn wrote:

...
I think you're assuming that because I'm posting on a bike forum that I must hold all pro cyclist's in high esteem or worship the ground they walk on...

Now do the rest of us the courtesy you want extended to yourself. i.e. DO NOT ASSUME!

thomthom

dennisn wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

dennisn, out of the 254 pages in this thread 253 of them have been full of answers from different people as to why Lance is 'something special'.

Special to you? Most definitely. Special to me?? Not so much so. He's simply another story in a world filled with them.
I think you're assuming that because I'm posting on a bike forum that I must hold all pro cyclist's in high esteem or worship the ground they walk on. I do find the LA story somewhat interesting but that will fade when the new story(whatever it may be) comes to light. I really do have an intense interest in why people seem to be so upset with
someone who cheated at sports. It's not like it hasn't happened before and it will happen again.

I see a lot of people on this forum saying that they want a winner they can believe in(or something to that effect).
Good luck with that idea. :roll:

For the 253th time - It's not him doping that makes him 'special'.

dennisn

ThomThom wrote:

dennisn wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

dennisn, out of the 254 pages in this thread 253 of them have been full of answers from different people as to why Lance is 'something special'.

Special to you? Most definitely. Special to me?? Not so much so. He's simply another story in a world filled with them.
I think you're assuming that because I'm posting on a bike forum that I must hold all pro cyclist's in high esteem or worship the ground they walk on. I do find the LA story somewhat interesting but that will fade when the new story(whatever it may be) comes to light. I really do have an intense interest in why people seem to be so upset with
someone who cheated at sports. It's not like it hasn't happened before and it will happen again.

I see a lot of people on this forum saying that they want a winner they can believe in(or something to that effect).
Good luck with that idea. :roll:

For the 253th time - It's not him doping that makes him 'special'.

So give me your condensed version / reason for his being "special".

thomthom

Why Lance is special in comparison to all the other dopers?

Do some homework on the previous 200 or so pages, come up with conclusion based on the uncountable number of posts that already answered your question about this. Then I will give you my 'condensed version' as to why Lance is a special case. I'm sick of your game. Ignoring each and everyone when they, in fact, respond to your never-ending line of questions.

dennisn

ThomThom wrote:

Do some homework on the previous 200 or so pages, come up with conclusion based on the uncountable number of posts that already answered your question about this. Then I will give you my 'condensed version' as to why Lance is a special case. I'm sick of your game. Ignoring each and everyone when they, in fact, respond to your never-ending line of questions.

I will admit to having what could be called never ending questions. Ya see I'm not as smart as you guys and since most on here claim to know it all I figure I'll ask about things. Yeah right.

In reality anyone can find the answers, but asking the questions, now that's where and how we find out what needs to be known. Hell, I can get a monkey or a dog to answer questions but they don't have it in them to ask about a single thing.
So, that being said why is my "...never ending line of questions." any problem for the rest of you. :?

deejay

dennisn wrote:

So give me your condensed version / reason for his being "special".

Because he arrived in Europe to a Fanfare that said he would show us Europeans (y'know the usual claptrap from the USA) how winning bike races was easy for a USA Triathlete Champion.
Then 2 tears later he is almost in tears as the World Champion and is saying that nobody recognises him.
He made sure the world did recognise him but not with fair means but crooked foul means.
He is a poor soul now because all he has to look at is 7 yellow jerseys which no longer belong to him.
That all amounts to him being a Special Prick and long may he reign with that title. QED