Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

dennisn

Frank the tank wrote:

I suggest anyone still stupid enough to believe in Armstrong should read "seven deadly sins" by David Walsh.

LA is a thouroughly despicable piece of sh1t and I would dearly love for everyone who he has destroyed and lives he's blighted to get there pound of flesh out of him.

I'd love for him to end up a destitute broken pauper of an excuse for a man.

C'mon Frank, let's be honest here. Tell us how you really feel.

powerbookboy

Frank the tank wrote:

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I'd love for him to end up a destitute broken pauper of an excuse for a man.

Only if his millions don't go to lawyers, but end up somewhere useful instead...

mroli

Having recently read 7 deadly sins, I add my voice to that of Frank's above, but would also say: Don't buy a Trek. Just don't do it.

deejay

dennisn wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

I'd love for him to end up a destitute broken pauper of an excuse for a man.

C'mon Frank, let's be honest here. Tell us how you really feel.

I think that US politics are involved here somewhere and with dennis getting more comfortable about the subject then the signs of having another O J Simpson is getting slimmer.
Like dennis you need to live inside the Fortress to know how the biggots in there are winning.

8) Stay cool and feck em. 8)

dennisn

powerbookboy wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

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I'd love for him to end up a destitute broken pauper of an excuse for a man.

Only if his millions don't go to lawyers, but end up somewhere useful instead...

If he does end up losing his money, who would it go to, if not lawyers?

Crankbrother

This whole 'I wanna see him on his knees sucking my c0ck' attitude doesn't help anyone ... He cheated, yes, but so did his peers, predecessors, and subsequentials (sic) ...

The riders during that period all rode to the 'rules' of the peleton ... The fact that USADA decided to be pro-active in tackling the problem doesn't crucify LA/USPS it highlights the lack of motivation in the other federations ... Look at Great Britain, SKY are taking a (belated) stand as a team but where is British Cycling's view/stance? And Spain, I'll leave your own imagination to work that one out ...

My take on the whole thing was there was some great/bad TV to watch from 1999-2005 ... more people likely got more enjoyment/consternation out of Eastenders during that period, I'll leave you to decide what that says about your reaction ...

thomthom

We are not discussing 'level-playing field' again, are we?

Crankbrother, there's a difference between, let's say, Big Jan and then Lance - can you tell me the difference?

dennisn

ThomThom wrote:

We are not discussing 'level-playing field' again, are we?

Crankbrother, there's a difference between Big Jan and Lance - can you tell me the difference?

Me thinks you would have to admit that simply because you see something one way, the rest of the world
may have a few different ideas. Don't be so sure that you are the one who knows the real story / stories.

thomthom

dennisn, can you tell me the difference between Big Jan and Lance?

Off the bike as well.

(can't believe I bite on yet again...)

mroli

Crankbrother wrote:

SKY are taking a (belated) stand as a team but where is British Cycling's view/stance?

You're joking right? British Cycling's view/stance is linked to on their home page. It is this:

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/membership/article/bcst-Anti-Doping-Home

and just in case you can't get to the link:

British Cycling has been at the forefront of developing a strong anti-doping culture within competitive cycling over the past decade

I understand why you say "why Lance in particular", but Lance a) dominated a sport; b) tried to ruin those who correctly identified and confronted him as a cheat; and c) created a lie in his charity that transcended his sporting (doped) achievements. I say, yes, bring the whole house of cards down, but Lance Armstrong - despicable and far beyond someone who say doped "because everyone else was doing it"

Crankbrother

The difference between LA and Jan Ullrich ... errr, dunno ... oh wait, I've got it ... Lance had the cheek to win!

and British Cycling ... great, they have an anti-doping sentence on their website ... not seeing much pro-activity in investigating Sean Yates and Roger Hammond (we needn't worry about Jamie Burrows) and their involvement in the USPS affair (and more in Yates case) ...

disgruntledgoat

Crankbrother wrote:

The difference between LA and Jan Ullrich ... errr, dunno ... oh wait, I've got it ... Lance had the cheek to win!

and British Cycling ... great, they have an anti-doping sentence on their website ... not seeing much pro-activity in investigating Sean Yates and Roger Hammond (we needn't worry about Jamie Burrows) and their involvement in the USPS affair (and more in Yates case) ...

If you have any evidence of either man's involvement in doping, I'm sure they'd be happy to hear from you

Crankbrother

Not my job ... and in Hammond's case I'm not saying he doped, I'm saying he was part of a team with a doping programme apparently more sophisticated than NASA so there should be some cause for questions to be asked/answered ... SKY asked Yates the question and his current employmentvstatus tells its own story ... Where is BC's follow up on that?

I'm more concerned that NASA likely keep the fuel for the shuttle launchers in an old ice cream tub under the bed ...

RichN95.

Crankbrother wrote:

The difference between LA and Jan Ullrich ... errr, dunno ... oh wait, I've got it ... Lance had the cheek to win!

and British Cycling ... great, they have an anti-doping sentence on their website ... not seeing much pro-activity in investigating Sean Yates and Roger Hammond (we needn't worry about Jamie Burrows) and their involvement in the USPS affair (and more in Yates case) ...

USADA did a pretty thorough job of investigating doping at that team and nowhere in their thousands of pages of evidence is either Hammond or Yates mentioned. You need something concrete to start an investigation, but there aren't even rumours.

dennisn

ThomThom wrote:

dennisn, can you tell me the difference between Big Jan and Lance?

Off the bike as well.

(can't believe I bite on yet again...)

Is this a test?

Seriously though, you're the one who made these guys your hero's and role models and, most likely you live somewhat vicariously through them. Now you and more than a few others are all p*ssed off because they have let you down. Sorry but just had to remind you of that one more time.

Back to the question now. I could probably come up with a bunch of things but I'm sure you have a certain thing in mind, so just come out with it. Save us all the guesswork.

dennisn

I have noticed that it seems to be the opinion of some on this thread that there are many victims of Lance out there.
Shattered lives, despair, depression, unable to cope, etc. It's even possible that the coming Zombie Apocalypse is all his doing. With all this happening maybe now is the time for forumites to relate how LA ruined their lives. You know, get it off your chest, so to speak. Speak out on how it all affected you and your family(divorce, poverty, etc.). This is the path to true healing so you can get on with your lives in peace and harmony.

Who wants to go first?

ddraver

Says it all that you ve appeared to post this yet ignored one of the biggest 3 races of the year...

heavymental

Fkin hell dennis, why on earth are you still posting on this thread!? Every time i check back, which is every couple of weeks, you're here making the same point. Why haven't you got bored and moved on if the whole issue is so insignificant to you? Go and mow the lawn or watch a little bit of tv or something.

dennisn

Heavymental wrote:

Fkin hell dennis, why on earth are you still posting on this thread!? Every time i check back, which is every couple of weeks, you're here making the same point. Why haven't you got bored and moved on if the whole issue is so insignificant to you? Go and mow the lawn or watch a little bit of tv or something.

Am I really the only one making the same point over and over? :?

Besides all I'm doing is slamming you guys while you slam the riders. It's the same old thing, you feel you can say whatever you want about the riders yet if I say something about you, well, that's just not right. How does that work?

heavymental

Maybe my lack of attention to the thread means I've misinterpreted your input but my impression is that your point is that nobody should be bothered about it. I can't understand why you'd come back to make that point over and over. Maybe some people are making the same point but at least it's related to the case. Your point seems to be that nobody should be interested.

ddraver

Yeah but he's really bothered that no one else is bothered about it....

dennisn

Frank the tank wrote:

I suggest anyone still stupid enough to believe in Armstrong should read "seven deadly sins" by David Walsh.

LA is a thouroughly despicable piece of sh1t and I would dearly love for everyone who he has destroyed and lives he's blighted to get there pound of flesh out of him.

I'd love for him to end up a destitute broken pauper of an excuse for a man.

Let me try and explain myself using this quote from "Frank the tank".

To me this says one of two things.
One - that "frank" is trolling and simply looking to stir up the troops. Very possible, and really my choice for this particular post.
Two - that this is a true look into "Franks" real feelings on the matter of LA. If true, and I hope not, then all I can think is to say "how sad is that?". I can't imagine letting myself get so wrapped up in a person and what that person does that my rage seems to know no bounds. For that reason alone I'm voting, and hoping, that all that anger isn't real and it's just a troll, of sorts.

heavymental

How ironic. Your post is about how you can't believe how bothered someone is about it. Don't worry about it Dennis. Just don't worry. Click on another thread, step away from the keyboard, go make a cup of tea.

Frank the tank

My post was not a troll.

If you haven't read the book I sincerely recommend you do Dennisn. The man built up an organisation like a nine headed hydra that was there to protect himself and his criminal activities. If you love cycling there is no way on this earth you can defend his actions. Good honest people were blighted and had their careers destoyed by him (Christophe Bassons) for one. Others lived in fear of having their livlihoods destroyed on his/legal teams say so.

Certain amount of irony in you refering to me as a possible troll, the trolls in "good ole" Lances world were those digging and endevouring to get to the truth behind his success.

iainf72

RichN95 wrote:

USADA did a pretty thorough job of investigating doping at that team and nowhere in their thousands of pages of evidence is either Hammond or Yates mentioned. You need something concrete to start an investigation, but there aren't even rumours.

There's a very solid LA / BC link, but unless BC employ the same zero tolerance scheme Sky do, it's just one of those things that's out there and isn't a huge secret (and nothing to do with Roger or Sean)

In other news

http://tv.broadwayworld.com/article/Nat ... 1-20130401

dennisn

Frank the tank wrote:

My post was not a troll.

If you haven't read the book I sincerely recommend you do Dennisn. The man built up an organisation like a nine headed hydra that was there to protect himself and his criminal activities. If you love cycling there is no way on this earth you can defend his actions. Good honest people were blighted and had their careers destoyed by him (Christophe Bassons) for one. Others lived in fear of having their livlihoods destroyed on his/legal teams say so.

Kind of wish it was just a troll. All I can say is that I'm glad I don't carry around that kind of load of anger and hate. Lifes too short. Oh well, maybe you have bigger shoulders than myself. Hope so.

dennisn

ThomThom wrote:

dennisn, can you tell me the difference between Big Jan and Lance?

Off the bike as well.

Well, I could most likely come up with a couple of thousand "differences" between the two but I'm sure you have something more specific in mind. Let us in on it. :?

As for the "off the bike...". Are you trying to say that Jan is a "nicer" guy than LA and this is excuses his cheating? Or something like that? :?

Frank the tank

dennisn wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

My post was not a troll.

If you haven't read the book I sincerely recommend you do Dennisn. The man built up an organisation like a nine headed hydra that was there to protect himself and his criminal activities. If you love cycling there is no way on this earth you can defend his actions. Good honest people were blighted and had their careers destoyed by him (Christophe Bassons) for one. Others lived in fear of having their livlihoods destroyed on his/legal teams say so.

Kind of wish it was just a troll. All I can say is that I'm glad I don't carry around that kind of load of anger and hate. Lifes too short. Oh well, maybe you have bigger shoulders than myself. Hope so.

I don't carry around a load of anger and hate at all.

I just don't like injustice and unfairness full stop. Not just in sport, but in life. I happen to like it when the bad guys get their cumuppence. As I say read the book and if you have any sense of fairness it will in some places make your blood boil.

dennisn

Frank the tank wrote:

dennisn wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

My post was not a troll.

If you haven't read the book I sincerely recommend you do Dennisn. The man built up an organisation like a nine headed hydra that was there to protect himself and his criminal activities. If you love cycling there is no way on this earth you can defend his actions. Good honest people were blighted and had their careers destoyed by him (Christophe Bassons) for one. Others lived in fear of having their livlihoods destroyed on his/legal teams say so.

Kind of wish it was just a troll. All I can say is that I'm glad I don't carry around that kind of load of anger and hate. Lifes too short. Oh well, maybe you have bigger shoulders than myself. Hope so.

I don't carry around a load of anger and hate at all.

I just don't like injustice and unfairness full stop. Not just in sport, but in life. I happen to like it when the bad guys get their cumuppence. As I say read the book and if you have any sense of fairness it will in some places make your blood boil.

I'm having a little trouble with your two statements "I don't carry around...." and "...in some plases makes your blood boil."
In any case I'm stating to find it a little odd that a good share of forumites here don't seem to be able to "move on" when, in fact, I'm pretty sure that all the people that LA has wronged(if you will) have moved on with their lives some time ago. Or are you saying that you're a "victim" too? I would imagine that it's going to be considered somewhat cool to be a actual victim of Lances evil empire and many, many people will most likely be claiming that distinction(if you can call it that).

deejay

iainf72 wrote:

In other news

http://tv.broadwayworld.com/article/Nat ... 1-20130401

Looks like they have missed it.
I certainly shall and do the same as the Oppi interview by seeing the threads.