Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

dennisn

k1875 wrote:

ddraver wrote:

F**k it's no wonder riders never bother to answer the question is it :roll:

FWIW i'm not necessarily suggesting he's done anything wrong, but when faced with a pretty straight forward question is it unreasonable to raise an eyebrow at a reply like that ? He could have answered the question quite simply with a "No".

He said what he wanted to say, apparently. What you wanted him to say or thought he should say is unimportant. He could have said and done bunches of things but he didn't. He made a comment and people still can't seem to deal with that. Everyone wants the story they themselves want to hear or believe is true. Not gonna happen.

frenchfighter

Coach H

k1875 wrote:

ddraver wrote:

F**k it's no wonder riders never bother to answer the question is it :roll:

FWIW i'm not necessarily suggesting he's done anything wrong, but when faced with a pretty straight forward question is it unreasonable to raise an eyebrow at a reply like that ? He could have answered the question quite simply with a "No".

From Millar to Hamilton to Armstrong himself (and doubtless many others), the recurring theme is that old chestnut "everyone was doing it, we didn't consider it cheating". If I take PED's but don't consider it cheating, then naturally I'm going to have a clear conscience 'cos I don't believe i've done anything wrong.

From what I read in Millars book, he DID consider it cheating, he just accepted he was going to cheat.

shinyhelmut

Bo Duke wrote:

Good old Lance. Went on Oprah, put on a perfect performance then throws it all back in ya face refusing to cooperate 'for commercial reasons'.

Lance you're a CHEAT - guys lock the thread, we shouldn't even be discussing this fraud any more.

BTW I met with an Ironman pal of mine from Houston, Texas last week who told me the professional Ironmen athletes from Texas (the home of triathlon in the US) have made it quite clear to the US Triathlon authorities they DO NOT want Lance to allowed to race in their events. Said there was a strong bond between the athletes that respects the massive commitment and achievement in competing at the highest level in this king of events (3.8k swin, 180k ride, 42k run) and they do not want a self confessed drugs cheat to join their ranks. Let him play darts or crown green bowls but the triathletes of Texas do not want him. Insightful, no?

Sorry but LA is a sad, sad, miserable man.

I think the triathletes of San Diego, Colorado and Hawaii might disagree with your contention that Texas is the home of triathlon in the US.

reallyarunner

Coach H wrote:

k1875 wrote:

ddraver wrote:

F**k it's no wonder riders never bother to answer the question is it :roll:

FWIW i'm not necessarily suggesting he's done anything wrong, but when faced with a pretty straight forward question is it unreasonable to raise an eyebrow at a reply like that ? He could have answered the question quite simply with a "No".

From Millar to Hamilton to Armstrong himself (and doubtless many others), the recurring theme is that old chestnut "everyone was doing it, we didn't consider it cheating". If I take PED's but don't consider it cheating, then naturally I'm going to have a clear conscience 'cos I don't believe i've done anything wrong.

From what I read in Millars book, he DID consider it cheating, he just accepted he was going to cheat.

This is correct, I remember him describing standing on the podium after winning the worlds and 'feeling empty' on what basically should have been the pinnacle of his career.

Bo Duke

ShinyHelmut wrote:

Bo Duke wrote:

Good old Lance. Went on Oprah, put on a perfect performance then throws it all back in ya face refusing to cooperate 'for commercial reasons'.

Lance you're a CHEAT - guys lock the thread, we shouldn't even be discussing this fraud any more.

BTW I met with an Ironman pal of mine from Houston, Texas last week who told me the professional Ironmen athletes from Texas (the home of triathlon in the US) have made it quite clear to the US Triathlon authorities they DO NOT want Lance to allowed to race in their events. Said there was a strong bond between the athletes that respects the massive commitment and achievement in competing at the highest level in this king of events (3.8k swin, 180k ride, 42k run) and they do not want a self confessed drugs cheat to join their ranks. Let him play darts or crown green bowls but the triathletes of Texas do not want him. Insightful, no?

Sorry but LA is a sad, sad, miserable man.

I think the triathletes of San Diego, Colorado and Hawaii might disagree with your contention that Texas is the home of triathlon in the US.

I think you'll find Kona is a race triathletes aspire to, rather than a Hawai based triathlon community. Colorado has a couple of well known training schools you're right however don't tell me you ignored the jist of the post simply to disagree which is the centre of Ironman triathlon in the US? If so, I'll pass my pal's email address to you and you take it up direct.

The point was, top level triatletes don't want him, leaving him without a place to compete. Apparently its his addiction to competition that keeps him from caving in and accepting his fate.

dave_1

Just being reported now that DOJ "unlikely" to join qui tam.LA will keep.a $100 million of his fortune I guess.Never needs to work again

Rundfahrt

Bo Duke wrote:

ShinyHelmut wrote:

Bo Duke wrote:

Good old Lance. Went on Oprah, put on a perfect performance then throws it all back in ya face refusing to cooperate 'for commercial reasons'.

Lance you're a CHEAT - guys lock the thread, we shouldn't even be discussing this fraud any more.

BTW I met with an Ironman pal of mine from Houston, Texas last week who told me the professional Ironmen athletes from Texas (the home of triathlon in the US) have made it quite clear to the US Triathlon authorities they DO NOT want Lance to allowed to race in their events. Said there was a strong bond between the athletes that respects the massive commitment and achievement in competing at the highest level in this king of events (3.8k swin, 180k ride, 42k run) and they do not want a self confessed drugs cheat to join their ranks. Let him play darts or crown green bowls but the triathletes of Texas do not want him. Insightful, no?

Sorry but LA is a sad, sad, miserable man.

I think the triathletes of San Diego, Colorado and Hawaii might disagree with your contention that Texas is the home of triathlon in the US.

I think you'll find Kona is a race triathletes aspire to, rather than a Hawai based triathlon community. Colorado has a couple of well known training schools you're right however don't tell me you ignored the jist of the post simply to disagree which is the centre of Ironman triathlon in the US? If so, I'll pass my pal's email address to you and you take it up direct.

The point was, top level triatletes don't want him, leaving him without a place to compete. Apparently its his addiction to competition that keeps him from caving in and accepting his fate.

1) Yet they have had no problems letting other busted dopers come back to the sport.

2) I'd say some of those triathletes simply don't want the scrutiny that would come from the USADA if Armstrong comes back.

iainf72

The feds have joined Landis's case.

Lance better get the cheque book warmed up

skylla

Rundfahrt wrote:

Bo Duke wrote:

ShinyHelmut wrote:

Bo Duke wrote:

Good old Lance. Went on Oprah, put on a perfect performance then throws it all back in ya face refusing to cooperate 'for commercial reasons'.

Lance you're a CHEAT - guys lock the thread, we shouldn't even be discussing this fraud any more.

BTW I met with an Ironman pal of mine from Houston, Texas last week who told me the professional Ironmen athletes from Texas (the home of triathlon in the US) have made it quite clear to the US Triathlon authorities they DO NOT want Lance to allowed to race in their events. Said there was a strong bond between the athletes that respects the massive commitment and achievement in competing at the highest level in this king of events (3.8k swin, 180k ride, 42k run) and they do not want a self confessed drugs cheat to join their ranks. Let him play darts or crown green bowls but the triathletes of Texas do not want him. Insightful, no?

Sorry but LA is a sad, sad, miserable man.

I think the triathletes of San Diego, Colorado and Hawaii might disagree with your contention that Texas is the home of triathlon in the US.

I think you'll find Kona is a race triathletes aspire to, rather than a Hawai based triathlon community. Colorado has a couple of well known training schools you're right however don't tell me you ignored the jist of the post simply to disagree which is the centre of Ironman triathlon in the US? If so, I'll pass my pal's email address to you and you take it up direct.

The point was, top level triatletes don't want him, leaving him without a place to compete. Apparently its his addiction to competition that keeps him from caving in and accepting his fate.

1) Yet they have had no problems letting other busted dopers come back to the sport.

2) I'd say some of those triathletes simply don't want the scrutiny that would come from the USADA if Armstrong comes back.

I don't often agree with you, but you're spot on here. It has to be said that many welcomed LA to the sport (and of course the increase in commercial interests he brought with him) back in 2011. Shameful I thought.

andrewjoseph

iainf72 wrote:

The feds have joined Landis's case.

Lance better get the cheque book warmed up

where did you get this from? all the news i can find state unlikely to join.

Richmond Racer

the likes of NBC are reporting it as breaking news on their twitter feed

A lawyer said the other day that the best thing Lance could do was to start writing cheques. Sooner he starts, sooner he'll be done. But this one could take most of his fortune.

EDIT
link:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02 ... trong?lite

thomthom

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skylla

treble damages - that is pretty much financial ruin for Lance.

dennisn

skylla wrote:

treble damages - that is pretty much financial ruin for Lance.

Couple of really, really big IF'S here.

IF they win.

IF it's all the money LA has.

I still say that LA is not the King or Queen of the chessboard. He's, at best, maybe a mid level player like a Bishop or Knight and as long as he takes care of his King and Queen they will take care of him. Of course a well planned sacrifice of men does, on occasion, result in checkmate or at the very least a stalemate. In the end though the King is still on the board.

fidgetyphil

dennisn wrote:

skylla wrote:

treble damages - that is pretty much financial ruin for Lance.

Couple of really, really big IF'S here.

IF they win.

IF it's all the money LA has.

I still say that LA is not the King or Queen of the chessboard. He's, at best, maybe a mid level player like a Bishop or Knight and as long as he takes care of his King and Queen they will take care of him. Of course a well planned sacrifice of men does, on occasion, result in checkmate or at the very least a stalemate. In the end though the King is still on the board.

Ah the Scheveningen Variation, I believe

fidgetyphil

iainf72 wrote:

The feds have joined Landis's case.

Lance better get the cheque book warmed up

Explain why he doesn't want to testify under oath to USADA really.

dave_1

What a development. Floyd must be happy.LA under oath will be worth watching. He's fcked.Can feds recover assets if LA has signed them away to his family? Where will he stash cash before bankruptcy?

le_patron

Makes LA's issue management strategy look a somewhat dubious now. Backfire.

Doping does pay, big style. But now to trolls and the soup-spitters, book writers and qui tam raisers.

Comedy.

RichN95.

So kids, the moral of the story is: Cheat all you want, just make sure there's someone bigger to grass up. That way crime doesn't pay - it pays twice. And the government will support you all the way.

I hope it fails.

Macaloon

fidgetyphil wrote:

Ah the Scheveningen Variation, I believe

I don't post on Armstrong threads. On principle... unless... somebody pulls a hopelessly banal and anti-sport Sicilian on the thread. 8)

thomthom

It's obviously not going to be anywhere near that amount of money. They'll settle for a reasonable amount that we probably won't ever hear of.

Lance will pay some back - and you know what? I'm totally fine by that.

If only they could do something about his lawyer as well. His is starting to become an even bigger cnut than Lance. If not already, that is.

andyp

Armstrong won't have to pony up all the cash if he loses the case, as it is against Tailwind Sports of which he was one of a number of shareholders.

deejay

Macaloon wrote:

fidgetyphil wrote:

Ah the Scheveningen Variation, I believe

I don't post on Armstrong threads. On principle... unless... somebody pulls a hopelessly banal and anti-sport Sicilian on the thread. 8)

FFS, It's only a variation to your defence. !

Macaloon

deejay wrote:

Macaloon wrote:

fidgetyphil wrote:

Ah the Scheveningen Variation, I believe

I don't post on Armstrong threads. On principle... unless... somebody pulls a hopelessly banal and anti-sport Sicilian on the thread. 8)

FFS, It's only a variation to your defence. !

I know, man. But decades of the schevy mullered my mojo.

heavymental

Whatever the outcomes, LA is going to be spending a hell of a lot of time in meetings, on the phone to lawyers and in court. It's going to be fairly exhausting and may drag on for years. With the financial losses we can start to ask if it was really worth it for him.

Macaloon

"...and upon retiring for the night 'Lance' and his young lady decided a champagne night-cap was in order. Room service was contacted and shortly after a waiter arrived with said champagne.

Upon entering the room the waiter, a 'cycling' fan, was met with the scene of thousands of pounds strewn across a bed that also framed the half naked former Miss World.

As the bell-boy received a healthy tip he could not help but ask, “'Lance', where did it all go wrong?”

Rundfahrt

skylla wrote:

Rundfahrt wrote:

Bo Duke wrote:

ShinyHelmut wrote:

Bo Duke wrote:

Good old Lance. Went on Oprah, put on a perfect performance then throws it all back in ya face refusing to cooperate 'for commercial reasons'.

Lance you're a CHEAT - guys lock the thread, we shouldn't even be discussing this fraud any more.

BTW I met with an Ironman pal of mine from Houston, Texas last week who told me the professional Ironmen athletes from Texas (the home of triathlon in the US) have made it quite clear to the US Triathlon authorities they DO NOT want Lance to allowed to race in their events. Said there was a strong bond between the athletes that respects the massive commitment and achievement in competing at the highest level in this king of events (3.8k swin, 180k ride, 42k run) and they do not want a self confessed drugs cheat to join their ranks. Let him play darts or crown green bowls but the triathletes of Texas do not want him. Insightful, no?

Sorry but LA is a sad, sad, miserable man.

I think the triathletes of San Diego, Colorado and Hawaii might disagree with your contention that Texas is the home of triathlon in the US.

I think you'll find Kona is a race triathletes aspire to, rather than a Hawai based triathlon community. Colorado has a couple of well known training schools you're right however don't tell me you ignored the jist of the post simply to disagree which is the centre of Ironman triathlon in the US? If so, I'll pass my pal's email address to you and you take it up direct.

The point was, top level triatletes don't want him, leaving him without a place to compete. Apparently its his addiction to competition that keeps him from caving in and accepting his fate.

1) Yet they have had no problems letting other busted dopers come back to the sport.

2) I'd say some of those triathletes simply don't want the scrutiny that would come from the USADA if Armstrong comes back.

I don't often agree with you, but you're spot on here. It has to be said that many welcomed LA to the sport (and of course the increase in commercial interests he brought with him) back in 2011. Shameful I thought.

I wasn't talking about Armstrong, do some research and you will find some interesting things.

Rundfahrt

RichN95 wrote:

So kids, the moral of the story is: Cheat all you want, just make sure there's someone bigger to grass up. That way crime doesn't pay - it pays twice. And the government will support you all the way.

I hope it fails.

You took the shot, but missed the goal.

The moral is not to have someone bigger, the moral is to be like Indurain and be a nice guy, keep your mouth shut and give many gifts on the road.

Richmond Racer

Have to say, the thought of Landis making a packet out of this sticks in my throat.

Doping, lying, lying, Floyd Fairness Fund, more lying. Then confession only as retribution when Lance wouldnt fix him up a job. Oh, and he gets lauded as a hero in the ant-doping fight.