Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • Frank the tank
    Frank the tank Posts: 6,553
    dennisn wrote:
    Frank the tank wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Frank the tank wrote:
    My post was not a troll.

    If you haven't read the book I sincerely recommend you do Dennisn. The man built up an organisation like a nine headed hydra that was there to protect himself and his criminal activities. If you love cycling there is no way on this earth you can defend his actions. Good honest people were blighted and had their careers destoyed by him (Christophe Bassons) for one. Others lived in fear of having their livlihoods destroyed on his/legal teams say so.

    Kind of wish it was just a troll. All I can say is that I'm glad I don't carry around that kind of load of anger and hate. Lifes too short. Oh well, maybe you have bigger shoulders than myself. Hope so.
    I don't carry around a load of anger and hate at all.

    I just don't like injustice and unfairness full stop. Not just in sport, but in life. I happen to like it when the bad guys get their cumuppence. As I say read the book and if you have any sense of fairness it will in some places make your blood boil.

    I'm having a little trouble with your two statements "I don't carry around...." and "...in some plases makes your blood boil."
    In any case I'm stating to find it a little odd that a good share of forumites here don't seem to be able to "move on" when, in fact, I'm pretty sure that all the people that LA has wronged(if you will) have moved on with their lives some time ago. Or are you saying that you're a "victim" too? I would imagine that it's going to be considered somewhat cool to be a actual victim of Lances evil empire and many, many people will most likely be claiming that distinction(if you can call it that).
    I assume you're a reasonable person, has nothing ever happened in your life or read/witnessed something that has made you feel the perfectly normal response of anger/frustration.
    Yes all people who follow cycling as a sport are in a sense victims, they've all been sold a lie asked to believe in a deciet. As Greg Lamonde (someone else leant on by LA) said "If Armstrongs comeback is clean it's the greatest performance in history. If he's not clean it's the biggest fraud". Not verbatim but that was the sentiment.
    Did he or didn't he has only ever been a subject for debate as far as I'm concerned, there are far more important things to truely get upset about. But, at least it's all out in the open now and hopefully pro cycling will truely enter a new era.
    Tail end Charlie

    The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Frank the tank wrote:
    I assume you're a reasonable person, has nothing ever happened in your life or read/witnessed something that has made you feel the perfectly normal response of anger/frustration.
    Yes all people who follow cycling as a sport are in a sense victims, they've all been sold a lie asked to believe in a deciet.

    To be honest, the things that have frustrated, angered, and enraged me in my life have made someone cheating in pro sports seem insignificant.

    I certainly don't feel like an LA victim and aside from a few dozen or so people on various forums I don't know anyone personally who claims to have been victimized or holds a grudge of sorts, so when you say "all people who follow cycling as a sport are, in a sense, victims" I'm not buying. Saying that he has left a trail of thousands upon thousands of victims does not make it true. Sounds good from an LA obsessed haters point of view, but the truth is rarely that far right or left.
  • Frank the tank
    Frank the tank Posts: 6,553
    I'm not an obsessed Armstrong hater, my word I didn't even contribute to this thread until a page or two back;hardly the act of an obsessive.

    If you can ever bring yourself to part with a few dollars to purchase the book, or even borrow it, let me know your thoughts after reading it.
    Tail end Charlie

    The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.
  • heavymental
    heavymental Posts: 2,091
    Ffs. On and on it goes. Another couple of posts to add to the pile of you questioning why people are bothered. I highlighted this trend a few posts ago but here we are again. In a few months are you going to still be here asking people the same questions? Just let it go dennis. You're as obsessive about this subject as anyone else whose interest you repeatedly question.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Heavymental wrote:
    Ffs. On and on it goes. Another couple of posts to add to the pile of you questioning why people are bothered. I highlighted this trend a few posts ago but here we are again. In a few months are you going to still be here asking people the same questions? Just let it go dennis. You're as obsessive about this subject as anyone else whose interest you repeatedly question.

    You're absolutely right. I am somewhat obsessed with the question of why people are fascinated by, stalk, can't get enough of, and need to know every aspect of various celeb's, movie stars, and sports heroes lives.

    I can sort of understand why 14 and 15 year old girls scream, pledge their undying love, and even faint at the very sight of Justin Bieber. Still why adults do this sort of thing is a mystery to me.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,699
    or why one follows a single topic on a single forum with such vigour (whilst pretending he doesnt)...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,699
    or why one follows a single topic on a single forum with such vigour (whilst pretending he doesnt)...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • FransJacques
    FransJacques Posts: 2,148
    Here's a history question:

    Who won the race to replace Lance? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192854,00.html

    Remember this marketing schtick from many many years ago?
    When a cyclist has a disagreement with a car; it's not who's right, it's who's left.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    ddraver wrote:
    or why one follows a single topic on a single forum with such vigour (whilst pretending he doesnt)...

    I thought I was pretty up front about following this topic in particular. Can't recall pretending I don't. Although I could be wrong.
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    Dennis N didn't know who Paul Kimmage was 4 years ago so had very sketchy knowledge of the sport
    and is not much worth getting annoyed by....he hardly followed the sport by looks of it.Wish he would leave
    this thread alone. The debate is over and so should this thread be.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Dave_1 wrote:
    Dennis N didn't know who Paul Kimmage was 4 years ago so had very sketchy knowledge of the sport
    and is not much worth getting annoyed by....he hardly followed the sport by looks of it.Wish he would leave
    this thread alone. The debate is over and so should this thread be.

    I tend to agree. Your first post said it all.
    "All done. Move on folks."
    Although I disagree with your comment "Joke of a sport." Nothing wrong with racing / riding bicycles. Whatever level it's at. The SPORT of cycling didn't DO anything wrong. There are crazy sports, dangerous sports, boring sports, exciting sports, etc. Everything from bachi ball to The Iditarod, people play games / sports, yet none of them are, as you say, "Joke of a sport". None of them are wrong. Well, maybe synchronized swimming and diving are but...... :wink:
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    To good Rick Chasey..lock this thread or I will rename the sorry
    debate....stay within the subject of the thread
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • heavymental
    heavymental Posts: 2,091
    There's no need to lock it as the story is still developing and will continue to do so. It's just been blighted by the continuous posts from dennis asking people to explain various simple points. If this were just a thread to post updates and discussion on developments then it can trundle along until such a point at which there is no more news. It will no doubt drop off the front page now and again.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Dave_1 wrote:
    To good Rick Chasey..lock this thread or I will rename the sorry
    debate....stay within the subject of the thread

    I don't think you can be so strict. And even if the moderators and forum rules state that there should be no variations to the thread, just how will this be enforced and who or whom will be the censor. Posts on forums diverge all the time from the stated subject. One minute someone is asking what the best bike or bike part is and by the end of it all it's degenerated into a Campy vs Shimano vs Sram thing. Just using the word Campy in a post is enough to derail the OP's original statement or question.

    I look upon forums for what they are to me. Conversations with others, debates, advice columns, that sort of thing. All sorts of things most likely will drift in and out of the OP's intended idea. This thread, closing in on 300 pages, is a good example of this. Many people, myself included, have strayed from your intent(whatever it was). You slammed LA and cycling and told people to move on. You either wanted to vent, start a discussion, or troll. Now you're unhappy because some people(mostly me I'm afraid, but a few others) have, like you, voiced their opinions? :?
  • ad_snow
    ad_snow Posts: 469
    BBC reporting this morning that Lance is set to swim in the Masters South Central Zone Swimming Championships in Texas this weekend.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22023732
    www.adriansnowcycling.blogspot.com
  • mooro
    mooro Posts: 483
    and.... he wont be swimming. FINA the world governing body for aquatic sports have requested that he not be allowed to enter.

    http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?optio ... Itemid=246
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Mooro wrote:
    and.... he wont be swimming. FINA the world governing body for aquatic sports have requested that he not be allowed to enter.

    http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?optio ... Itemid=246

    Damn. How is he going to pay anyone back if he's not allowed to enter an event and collect his appearance fee? :wink:
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Damn, how is that anyone but his own problem?
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    Damn, how is this thread still alive?
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  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    dennisn wrote:
    Mooro wrote:
    and.... he wont be swimming. FINA the world governing body for aquatic sports have requested that he not be allowed to enter.

    http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?optio ... Itemid=246

    Damn. How is he going to pay anyone back if he's not allowed to enter an event and collect his appearance fee? :wink:
    Damn. I didn't work hard enough at Uni to get a job that paid me millions. How the hell am I supposed to buy those three supercars I had my eye on?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    ThomThom wrote:
    Damn, how is that anyone but his own problem?

    Pure sarcasm on my part. Someone once said sarcasm doesn't translate well in print or on the web. :oops:
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Is there any chance that you have been sarcastic in 6 months in a row?...
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    ThomThom wrote:
    Is there any chance that you have been sarcastic in 6 months in a row?...

    Well, if you talk to my wife she would say I've been sarcastic since we met(34 years). Drives her crazy, but it's all part of my plan to drive her insane.

    I would guess, therefore, that I have most likely been sarcastic most of my life. I'm a professional.

    I am serious though, when I say my curiosity seems to know no bounds.
  • confused@BR
    confused@BR Posts: 295
    DennisN: defending the indefensible since 1950? I love him.
    'fool'
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    confused@BR wrote:
    DennisN: defending the indefensible since 1950? I love him.

    You may be giving me too much credit. I was 2 years old then.
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    dennisn wrote:
    confused@BR wrote:
    DennisN: defending the indefensible since 1950? I love him.

    You may be giving me too much credit. I was 2 years old then.
    That's OK but when did you find European cycle racing apart from the TDF.
    2005 while in the States without internet access, I wanted to know who won the World Road Championship.
    I found it, I found it in USA Today and under the brief sport title of "Olympic Sports" was a line stating Tom Boonen had won. That's it, that's all.
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    deejay wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    confused@BR wrote:
    DennisN: defending the indefensible since 1950? I love him.

    You may be giving me too much credit. I was 2 years old then.
    That's OK but when did you find European cycle racing apart from the TDF.
    2005 while in the States without internet access, I wanted to know who won the World Road Championship.
    I found it, I found it in USA Today and under the brief sport title of "Olympic Sports" was a line stating Tom Boonen had won. That's it, that's all.

    70's, early 80's. It wasn't unknown over here. There were more than a few guys back then who followed Euro racing and wore all the gear.

    In any case the media doesn't cover everything, all the time. After all you looked in USA Today. If you had wanted to know about baseball. football, basketball, hockey, Nascar, or golf you can really get flooded about it from USA Today. Key word there is USA. Sorry to say but while cycling is growing over here it's going to be a while before it comes up on a par with the previously mentioned "Big 6".
  • confused@BR
    confused@BR Posts: 295
    And I was four. So, anything you need to know, anything that puzzles you...... Those two years are at your disposal.
    'fool'
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    confused@BR wrote:
    And I was four. So, anything you need to know, anything that puzzles you...... Those two years are at your disposal.

    I'll keep that in mind. Thanx.
  • Frank the tank
    Frank the tank Posts: 6,553
    I assume when you say football you're referring to that grid-iron sh1t as opposed to proper football. :wink:
    Tail end Charlie

    The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.

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