Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

LeicesterLad

ddraver wrote:

Even through something like Google Translate (which I suspect you ve used, bud, it's a terrible translation!), it's clear the the French write in such a beautiful way, far better than english.....

*sigh*

I thought I was the only one with 'French Envy'. Sigh indeed.

evidence11

ddraver wrote:

Even through something like Google Translate (which I suspect you ve used, bud, it's a terrible translation!), it's clear the the French write in such a beautiful way, far better than english.....

*sigh*

sorry. I you prefer, i can write in french

nathancom

ddraver wrote:

Even through something like Google Translate (which I suspect you ve used, bud, it's a terrible translation!), it's clear the the French write in such a beautiful way, far better than english.....

*sigh*

Really? Think that is definitely a grass is greener thing.

Richmond Racer

Nick Fitt wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

nathancom wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

SURPRISE, SURPRISE...

Weisel managed Verbruggen's investments, and Och was the broker

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 28488.html


(have to say, the WSJ has been absolutely killing the Lance story over the last week or so)

Wow. Hein is a filthy c*nt.

Tell us something we didnt know

He was also the broker for Amgen, who we all know are laughingly the sponsors of the Tour of California. $2.7bn PA including the manufacturing of EPO of course.

So 7-Eleven, Motorola, USPS and Discovery have all been exposed as perpetrating drug use. Has anyone read this shower of shite?

" Team 7-Eleven: How an Unsung Band of American Cyclists Took on the World - And Won [Book] by Geoff Drake, Jim Ochowicz in Books

By Geoff Drake, Jim Ochowicz - VeloPress (2011) - Paperback - 322 pages - ISBN 1934030538
7-Eleven: America's Greatest Cycling Team is the first book to tell the full story of America's first and greatest pro cycling team. Founded in 1981 by Jim Ochowicz and Olympic medalist Eric Heiden and sponsored by the 7-Eleven chain of convenience stores, the team rounded up the best amateur cyclists in North America and formed them into a cohesive, European-style cycling team. As amateurs, they dominated the American race scene and won seven medals at the 1984 Olympic Games in Los Angeles. As professionals, beginning in 1985, the team went to Europe and soon received invitations to the Tour of Italy and then the Tour de France, putting Americans on the podium in landmark victories that would change the face of American cycling forever. Prepared with the enthusiastic cooperation of the team members and co-authored by the team's founder, Jim Ochowicz, 7-Eleven is not only the most important missing piece in the story of American cycling, but the book that American cyclists have been waiting for ever since the 7-Eleven cowboys snagged that first yellow jersey."


From Wikipedia
The American cyclist Pat McDonough admitted to "blood doping" at the 1984 Los Angeles Games.[1] Following the games it was revealed that one-third of the U.S. cycling team had received blood transfusions before the games.[1] "Blood doping" was banned by the International Olympic Committee in 1985, though no test existed for it at the time.[1]

Sports Illustrated
"Anybody who tells me that removing athletes' blood or giving someone else's blood for transfusion into an athlete to try to improve performance is an O.K. thing to do—he's just nuts."

So said Dr. Irving Dardik, the director of a U.S. Olympic Committee investigative panel, after it was disclosed last week that seven members of the U.S. Olympic cycling team, including four medalists, one a champion, had "blood boosted" at the Los Angeles Games, and that another, Danny Van Haute, had done so at the July 5-7 trials.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

So, essentially then Jimbo appears to have been present in some way at all of the great US cycling achievements since the mid 80's. It would appear to me that he can be proud to say he has been around to see blood doping and systemic use of EPO in US cycling. What a guy, nothing matches this does it? Piecing this together, Armstrongs US coaching staff were all involved with or had links to either the Olympics in 84 or Ferrari (of course).

Whilst in 84 blood doping was not illegal, to me its clear the US has pioneered cheating in sport and probably wont ever stop.

Yeah, Och has been an ever-present party. And now General Manager at BMC

dave_1

Richmond Racer wrote:

Nick Fitt wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

nathancom wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

SURPRISE, SURPRISE...

Weisel managed Verbruggen's investments, and Och was the broker

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 28488.html


(have to say, the WSJ has been absolutely killing the Lance story over the last week or so)

Wow. Hein is a filthy c*nt.

Tell us something we didnt know

He was also the broker for Amgen, who we all know are laughingly the sponsors of the Tour of California. $2.7bn PA including the manufacturing of EPO of course.

So 7-Eleven, Motorola, USPS and Discovery have all been exposed as perpetrating drug use. Has anyone read this shower of shite?

" Team 7-Eleven: How an Unsung Band of American Cyclists Took on the World - And Won [Book] by Geoff Drake, Jim Ochowicz in Books

By Geoff Drake, Jim Ochowicz - VeloPress (2011) - Paperback - 322 pages - ISBN 1934030538
7-Eleven: America's Greatest Cycling Team is the first book to tell the full story of America's first and greatest pro cycling team. Founded in 1981 by Jim Ochowicz and Olympic medalist Eric Heiden and sponsored by the 7-Eleven chain of convenience stores, the team rounded up the best amateur cyclists in North America and formed them into a cohesive, European-style cycling team. As amateurs, they dominated the American race scene and won seven medals at the 1984 Olympic Games in Los Angeles. As professionals, beginning in 1985, the team went to Europe and soon received invitations to the Tour of Italy and then the Tour de France, putting Americans on the podium in landmark victories that would change the face of American cycling forever. Prepared with the enthusiastic cooperation of the team members and co-authored by the team's founder, Jim Ochowicz, 7-Eleven is not only the most important missing piece in the story of American cycling, but the book that American cyclists have been waiting for ever since the 7-Eleven cowboys snagged that first yellow jersey."


From Wikipedia
The American cyclist Pat McDonough admitted to "blood doping" at the 1984 Los Angeles Games.[1] Following the games it was revealed that one-third of the U.S. cycling team had received blood transfusions before the games.[1] "Blood doping" was banned by the International Olympic Committee in 1985, though no test existed for it at the time.[1]

Sports Illustrated
"Anybody who tells me that removing athletes' blood or giving someone else's blood for transfusion into an athlete to try to improve performance is an O.K. thing to do—he's just nuts."

So said Dr. Irving Dardik, the director of a U.S. Olympic Committee investigative panel, after it was disclosed last week that seven members of the U.S. Olympic cycling team, including four medalists, one a champion, had "blood boosted" at the Los Angeles Games, and that another, Danny Van Haute, had done so at the July 5-7 trials.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

So, essentially then Jimbo appears to have been present in some way at all of the great US cycling achievements since the mid 80's. It would appear to me that he can be proud to say he has been around to see blood doping and systemic use of EPO in US cycling. What a guy, nothing matches this does it? Piecing this together, Armstrongs US coaching staff were all involved with or had links to either the Olympics in 84 or Ferrari (of course).

Whilst in 84 blood doping was not illegal, to me its clear the US has pioneered cheating in sport and probably wont ever stop.

Yeah, Och has been an ever-present party. And now General Manager at BMC

Reckon Lance will bury him tomorrow or later.

MrSweary

dmclite-3.0 wrote:

So he doped, so what.

Almost every contender or significant rider of that era doped, strip all of them of all victories, nope, just the one. Some got caught and dealt with, but LA was victimized due to the level of his success, he got greedy and paid the price.

His first book got me on my bike and into cycling, but I dont hate Eddy Merckx, Coppi, Simpson and they all doped, I just accept it is part and parcel of cycling. Merckx's nickname was "The Cannibal", single minded, rode over everyone and is still revered, go figure.

I doubt you'd be so sanguine if you were one of the people he sued, threatened, bullied or had their reputation tarnished or ruined by him and his entourage - I don't recall Merckx, Coppi, Simpson et al engaging in that sort of behaviour.

If you still don't understand the anger towards Lance why not read the comments of Nicole Cooke - if you still don't understand... well theres none so blind as they say.

Nick Fitt

Richmond Racer wrote:

Yeah, Och has been an ever-present party. And now General Manager at BMC

Reckon Lance will bury him tomorrow or later.

...and who else I wonder.

evidence11

how could he win TDF without drugs ? .....



That is the truth :

Richmond Racer

Nick Fitt wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Yeah, Och has been an ever-present party. And now General Manager at BMC

Reckon Lance will bury him tomorrow or later.

...and who else I wonder.

Och AND Weisel as appetisers...

Macaloon

nic_77 wrote:

So... this (very weird) sports story has just broken here in the US...

http://deadspin.com/5976517/manti-teos- ... -is-a-hoax
...
Now, I'm not saying that LA has been pretending to be the dead girlfriend of a 255lbs Samoan defensive lineman, but he will be delighted with the timing of this story... I don't expect to hear much cycling coverage in the next few days / weeks!

Would be interested to know if this gets coverage in the UK?

That's an amazing story. What little coverage I've seen here has focused on US sports fans' worship of legends, contrasted with UK suspicion of anyone who has evolved beyond knuckle dragging: exhibit A Sir Bradley.

mididoctors

I'm still finding it hard to believe he actually did the oprah thing...

ocdupalais

Richmond Racer wrote:

Nick Fitt wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Yeah, Och has been an ever-present party. And now General Manager at BMC

Reckon Lance will bury him tomorrow or later.

...and who else I wonder.

Och AND Weisel as appetisers...

Weisel? That would be very surprising (and amazing) and would be akin to the bosses of Nike and Trek being fingered by Armstrong in terms of spreading responsibility to the money men. San Francisco Chronicle described him as “the alpha male of Wall Street West” with an “uber-competitive streak”... No prizes for spotting the similarity to you-know-who.

Follow the money...


As for Och, I expect we'll be seeing lots of links to him falling over in a ditch on stage 14 of the Tour last year whilst trying to push Cuddles up the road... although for the moment I can't seem to find it.

RichN95.

This interview seems like The Phantom Menace to me. Lots of people getting very excited with all sorts of expectations, doomed to be disappointed. I half expect Jar Jar Binks to turn up.

Richmond Racer

RichN95 wrote:

This interview seems like The Phantom Menace to me. Lots of people getting very excited with all sorts of expectations, doomed to be disappointed. I half expect Jar Jar Binks to turn up.

Probably. When I think of him throwing Och and Weisel under the bus, I dont mean in the interview b%^locks. I mean as offering up to USADA. I doubt he'll have named any names on Monday.

ratsbeyfus

Jez mon

RichN95 wrote:

This interview seems like The Phantom Menace to me. Lots of people getting very excited with all sorts of expectations, doomed to be disappointed. I half expect Jar Jar Binks to turn up.

I still have a hard time believing that some kind of confession is going to come out of Lance's mouth. But how they've managed to get so much interview time that it needs two episodes is beyond me.

Richmond Racer

Jez mon wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

This interview seems like The Phantom Menace to me. Lots of people getting very excited with all sorts of expectations, doomed to be disappointed. I half expect Jar Jar Binks to turn up.

I still have a hard time believing that some kind of confession is going to come out of Lance's mouth. But how they've managed to get so much interview time that it needs two episodes is beyond me.

US ad break programming is an absolute nightmare. Ad break as soon as the opening titles run, then ad breaks of 2-3 mins every few mins or so pads it out hugely. For each of the 2 x 90 mins program, there's probably not even 60 mins content at a max in each one

Her network must have been flogging those slots for mahoosive sums of money

Richmond Racer

The Aussie 'Roar' has lined up a nice little drinking game for the show

http://www.theroar.com.au/wp-content/up ... g_game.png

ocdupalais

OCDuPalais wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Nick Fitt wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Yeah, Och has been an ever-present party. And now General Manager at BMC

Reckon Lance will bury him tomorrow or later.

...and who else I wonder.

Och AND Weisel as appetisers...

Weisel? That would be very surprising (and amazing) and would be akin to the bosses of Nike and Trek being fingered by Armstrong in terms of spreading responsibility to the money men. San Francisco Chronicle described him as “the alpha male of Wall Street West” with an “uber-competitive streak”... No prizes for spotting the similarity to you-know-who.


Follow the money...


As for Och, I expect we'll be seeing lots of links to him falling over in a ditch on stage 14 of the Tour last year whilst trying to push Cuddles up the road... although for the moment I can't seem to find it.

Well, well, well... sorry to quote myself (how dreadfully naff!) - CN throws Verbruggen into the Weisel/Och mix...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/verbrug ... s-ochowicz

Richmond Racer

Ok. So when people go on about omerta, some make assumptions/insist that if there's doping/been doping in a team, all the other riders on the team must know what's happening.

As a counter to this, clip from an interview with Frankie Andreu in which he says in 99 and 00, when Lance, Hamilton and Livingstone where getting their moto deliveries, he and other guys on the team had no idea this was going on at the time. Not painting himself as a saint, but basically he's saying what a secretive operation it all was.

Dont know about everyone else but I've got no reason to doubt Andreu. He was one of the first to 'fess up ('04?)

Trev The Rev

Richmond Racer wrote:

Ok. So when people go on about omerta, some make assumptions/insist that if there's doping/been doping in a team, all the other riders on the team must know what's happening.

As a counter to this, clip from an interview with Frankie Andreu in which he says in 99 and 00, when Lance, Hamilton and Livingstone where getting their moto deliveries, he and other guys on the team had no idea this was going on at the time. Not painting himself as a saint, but basically he's saying what a secretive operation it all was.

Dont know about everyone else but I've got no reason to doubt Andreu. He was one of the first to 'fess up ('04?)

All the riders in the Festina team knew Bassons was clean.

andy_wrx

How does Weisel pronounce his name (being American) ?

Is it Vie-sell, or is it Weasel ?

Richmond Racer

andy_wrx wrote:

How does Weisel pronounce his name (being American) ?

Is it Vie-sell, or is it Weasel ?

Whatever's the correct pronounciation, 'Weasel' is the one that undoubtedly fits him best

ocdupalais

Not sure.
His first name is spelled 'Thom' - is it pronounced 'Th-om'?

Either way, I imagine he's cowering in his $30 million beach house in Hawaii trying to burn incriminating emails and contemplating a name change...

ddraver

^^^^Festina is a different example though Trev - Festina DID bring the end to open (as in the whole team knew, obviously not open to the world) teamwide, organised doping, it just made it even more secretive!

meggiedude

Richmond Racer wrote:

The Aussie 'Roar' has lined up a nice little drinking game for the show

http://www.theroar.com.au/wp-content/up ... g_game.png

Don't know about you, but top row, 3 across, 2 down is enought to get me drunk.

ddraver

BBC are playing a blinder on this - the "oprah" one has an interview with Nicole Cook -http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/5lspecials

Credit to Chappers and Will Fotheringham!

Nick Fitt

I love these two quotes

#1 recent revelations as viewed by Tygart
"To have the head of the sport, who's responsible for enforcing anti-doping rules, in business with the owner of the team that won seven straight Tours de France in violation of those rules—it certainly stinks to high heaven, particularly now, given what's been exposed that happened under his watch," Tygart told the Wall Street Journal.

#2 Hein Verbruggen
said that the matter was “getting ridiculous.”"

Yes Hein it is, what the fuck do you lot think you have been doing? The arrogance of these people is utterly incredible

dave_1

Just saw on CNN that IOC have formalised it. They have stripped him of his Sydney Olympic bronze medal

mfin

So, any streaming links for those of us who don't have Sky?? ...its actually at a really convenient time for me to watch!

...its says its streaming live worldwide on oprah.com but I didn't think it goes to UK