Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

Richmond Racer

It might be entirely wishful thinking but I actually think time's running out for both Hein and Pat

ddraver

^ You ve not seen Hein's interview then? Basically he does nt see how any of it is the UCI's fault at all...

I mean, why would it be? :roll:

meggiedude

ddraver wrote:

^ You ve not seen Hein's interview then? Basically he does nt see how any of it is the UCI's fault at all...

I mean, why would it be? :roll:

Well if LA can be in denial for so long, why would they be any different??

iainf72

The Mad Rapper wrote:

If LA does drop Fat Pat in it, then what are the repercussions for him? Fat Pat I mean.

I find it interesting that the fans have found Pat guilty already.

Hein is one thing, but Pat is something different.

Nick Fitt

meggiedude wrote:

ddraver wrote:

^ You ve not seen Hein's interview then? Basically he does nt see how any of it is the UCI's fault at all...

I mean, why would it be? :roll:

Well if LA can be in denial for so long, why would they be any different??

Depends very much on what Armstrong has to say over the coming weeks i suppose

TMR

ddraver wrote:

http://www.sportal.com.au/other-sports-news-display/liggett-details-armstrong-doubts-217868

Ligget has a say - not up to his usual standard, but a few good giggles in there

I'm confused. I thought he swore, when the scandal broke, that LA was innocent? :?:

fidgetyphil

Seems its all kicking off beteween the independant panel the UCI set up and err the UCI of course:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/21043574

The independent commission set up to probe doping in cycling says an amnesty for those who admit to past involvement is needed if the truth is to emerge.

The International Cycling Union (UCI) appointed the independent panel (UCIIC) but has rejected an amnesty.

As a result, the world (Wada) and US anti-doping (Usada) agencies and pressure group Change Cycling Now (CCN) will not take part in the inquiry.

The UCIIC has called for an emergency meeting to resolve the stand-off.

But the UCIIC's request for a Truth and Reconciliation process - in which a full or partial amnesty is offered to riders, team management, or others involved in professional cycling, who confess to past involvement in doping - has not been granted.

"It is of great regret to the commission that the UCI, Wada and Usada have not been able to reach agreement to a truth and reconciliation process, and that Wada, Usada and CCN have indicated they do not wish to participate in the inquiry on the present terms of reference," said a UCIIC statement.

"The commission is of the view that a truth and reconciliation process is desirable for the purposes of this inquiry, and that such a process would ensure that the most complete evidence is available to the commission at its hearing in April 2013.

Richmond Racer

iainf72 wrote:

The Mad Rapper wrote:

If LA does drop Fat Pat in it, then what are the repercussions for him? Fat Pat I mean.

I find it interesting that the fans have found Pat guilty already.

Hein is one thing, but Pat is something different.

Agreed, but I think Pat-as-Hein-sidekick/puppy dog, will seal his fate. Maybe a strong view that there can be no transformation of any sort at the UCI with Pat still in place and leading it.

ocdupalais

fidgetyphil wrote:

"The commission is of the view that a truth and reconciliation process is desirable for the purposes of this inquiry, and that such a process would ensure that the most complete evidence is available to the commission at its hearing in April 2013.[/i]

Aw, man... they're reporting between "9- 26th April"... the classics, THE CLASSICS!
New season imminent - some of us already sniffing the wind for embrocation and listening out for the clicking of gears (or crunchy clunks if you ride Campag like me), and we'll have all that to distract from the real news of how Cancellara regained his Ronde and P-R titles...
How about we all agree to give them some extra time, as long as they promise to have their hearing the day after the Giro finishes, instead?

dennisn

The Mad Rapper wrote:

ddraver wrote:

http://www.sportal.com.au/other-sports-news-display/liggett-details-armstrong-doubts-217868

Ligget has a say - not up to his usual standard, but a few good giggles in there

I'm confused. I thought he swore, when the scandal broke, that LA was innocent? :?:

I think you're making more of it that what it is. Have you never changed your mind or you opinion of something?
People are allowed to have a change of heart.

LeicesterLad

dennisn wrote:

The Mad Rapper wrote:

ddraver wrote:

http://www.sportal.com.au/other-sports-news-display/liggett-details-armstrong-doubts-217868

Ligget has a say - not up to his usual standard, but a few good giggles in there

I'm confused. I thought he swore, when the scandal broke, that LA was innocent? :?:

I think you're making more of it that what it is. Have you never changed your mind or you opinion of something?
People are allowed to have a change of heart.

No Dennis - For the last decade Liggett has defended Armstrong to the death.

He recently went so far as to claim that he 'knew' that USADA were bribing people to give false evidence.

He endlessly quoted the '500 tests' sh*t.

He is an absolute a*se of the highest order and should never commentate on cycling again. Besides, he'd have nothing to talk about now as he spent 99% of the time banging on about 'Lance'.

evidence11

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/video/2013/ ... _3242.html

Richmond Racer

ah nice to see that the French have resisted gloating

evidence11

;-)

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/video/2013/ ... _3242.html

evidence11

Richmond Racer wrote:

ah nice to see that the French have resisted gloating

Hi ! Sorry, but il love cycling since 70', and yes, i'm happy that armstrong will be punished, after all these years of lying.

He made very bad things in sport, in Sport ! He's a real liar !!! A bad person.

I love America and american people, but i hate liars, specially liars who get a lot of money and victories instead of others people. I hope you will understand me, sorry for my not good english.

God bless America ;-)

TMR

dennisn wrote:

I think you're making more of it that what it is. Have you never changed your mind or you opinion of something?
People are allowed to have a change of heart.

I'm not making anything of it, it was a genuine question.

Richmond Racer

evidence11 wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

ah nice to see that the French have resisted gloating

Hi ! Sorry, but il love cycling since 70', and yes, i'm happy that armstrong will be punished, after all these years of lying.

He made very bad things in sport, in Sport ! He's a real liar !!! A bad person.

I love America and american people, but i hate liars, specially liars who get a lot of money and victories instead of others people. I hope you will understand me, sorry for my not good english.

God bless America ;-)

Hey, that wasnt me having a go at you! And I was joking a little about the French - after all, it was l'Equipe journalists and a French rider, Bassons, who were amongst the first to speak out during the 99 Tour and so have more reason than most to be satisfied that this has all come out.

He is indeed a liar. A very big one.

FocusZing

The Mad Rapper wrote:

dennisn wrote:

I think you're making more of it that what it is. Have you never changed your mind or you opinion of something?
People are allowed to have a change of heart.

I'm not making anything of it, it was a genuine question.

Oh come on, he knew, he just played the ignorance card. Understandable really don't destroy the gravey train.

skylla

Richmond Racer wrote:

evidence11 wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

ah nice to see that the French have resisted gloating

Hi ! Sorry, but il love cycling since 70', and yes, i'm happy that armstrong will be punished, after all these years of lying.

He made very bad things in sport, in Sport ! He's a real liar !!! A bad person.

I love America and american people, but i hate liars, specially liars who get a lot of money and victories instead of others people. I hope you will understand me, sorry for my not good english.

God bless America ;-)

Hey, that wasnt me having a go at you! And I was joking a little about the French - after all, it was l'Equipe journalists and a French rider, Bassons, who were amongst the first to speak out during the 99 Tour and so have more reason than most to be satisfied that this has all come out.

He is indeed a liar. A very big one.

.. and this is a UK forum. You know the 'royaume-uni' ;-)

evidence11

skylla wrote:

.. and this is a UK forum. You know the 'royaume-uni' ;-)

of course !

TMR

FocusZing wrote:

Oh come on, he knew, he just played the ignorance card. Understandable really don't destroy the gravey train.

Yes, that's my take on it. He was on the train.

dennisn

For all that's been said against LA, liar, thief, bully, druggie, etc. there seem to be many of you hoping that he will throw others "under the bus". If he's that bad of a person, and he may very well be, how is it that you can put your faith in him to tell the truth now, when in the past he never did? Where does this sudden trust and or belief in what he will say come from? Seems to me that it could be one criminal testifying against another and vice versa in attempts to save their *sses. For whatever reason this scenario doesn't exactly scream of truth and righteousness. Bunches of people ratting each other out and cutting deals for preferential treatment just doesn't strike me as anything I can really believe in.
Gonna make great soap opera though.

Gazzetta67

Not seen many of the "He's passed 500 tests" brigade on here in a while ! Strange that.

pat1cp

His survival instinct will get the people "under the bus".

thomthom

dennisn wrote:

For all that's been said against LA, liar, thief, bully, druggie, etc. there seem to be many of you hoping that he will throw others "under the bus". If he's that bad of a person, and he may very well be, how is it that you can put your faith in him to tell the truth now, when in the past he never did? Where does this sudden trust and or belief in what he will say come from? Seems to me that it could be one criminal testifying against another and vice versa in attempts to save their *sses. For whatever reason this scenario doesn't exactly scream of truth and righteousness. Bunches of people ratting each other out and cutting deals for preferential treatment just doesn't strike me as anything I can really believe in.
Gonna make great soap opera though.

Why are you igoring every piece of information we've got for last many years?

deejay

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Not seen many of the "He's passed 500 tests" brigade on here in a while ! Strange that.

Ah but they are out there just waiting to attempt to justify the Fraudulent osshole. (dennisn being one of them)
Heads in the sand till it blows over. :!:

Le Commentateur

“Everyone lies.”

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/s ... g-did.html

Nick Fitt

It looks like the interview will be broadcast live Friday P.M at 20.00 UK on Discovery.

http://www.discoveryuk.com/the-loop/que ... armstrong/

Nick Fitt

AUSTIN, TX—Disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong kicked off a campaign to restore his image Monday by admitting in a television interview with Oprah Winfrey that he used a sophisticated cocktail of performance-enhancing drugs to evince remorse and shame. “To make the kind of heartfelt apology I am making now without the help of drugs would be impossible, and so when it came to convincing millions of people that I am a decent human being who is capable of actual regret, I needed an edge,” Armstrong reportedly says in the extensive television interview, which sources said the cyclist prepared for by injecting himself with stamina-supporting recombinant erythropoietin and methocarbamol, a muscle relaxant that helps to slacken the Depressor anguli oris, Corrugator supercilii and other facial muscles required to frown and cry. “Make no mistake, it still takes a lot of skill to do what I am doing right now."

(Taken from The Onion website)

Macaloon

In the unlikely event that you haven't read enough about this malarkey, the comments below this Atlantic blog post are literate, mostly well-considered, and provide an interesting non-cycling-obsessed cross-pondage perspective.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... ng/267184/